Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-07-04 Thread rgeskus
Note that most of the nonparametric and semi-parametric competing risks analyses can be performed within the survival package. This includes nonparametric estimation of cause-specific cumulative incidence curves and the log-rank type test. It suffices to create a weighted data set as explained in G

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-30 Thread array chip
Dear Terry, Thanks for responding to my question. I am starting to understand CI now, but I still have a general question: in oncology medical literature, when the study endpoint is recurrence, it's so common to see publications with Kaplan-Meier survival curves (time to recurrence or recurrenc

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-30 Thread Terry Therneau
> Hi, I am wondering if anyone can explain to me if cumulative incidence > (CI) is The cumulative incidence curve and the KM are not the same, when there are multiple outcomes. See the "etype" argument to survfit, which is used to create CI curves (?survfit.formula). For testing difference

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-28 Thread array chip
:40:52 AM Subject: RE: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot >So in cuminc() function, the argument "fstatus" should be coded like: 0=censored, 1=event of interest, 2=event of competing risk. Then the function will calculate CI for each of the 2 types of events >(event of in

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-28 Thread alanm (Alan Mitchell)
>So in cuminc() function, the argument "fstatus" should be coded like: 0=censored, 1=event of interest, 2=event of competing risk. Then the function will calculate CI for each of the 2 types of events >(event of interest and event of competing risk), am I correct? Correct. >What about running regu

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-28 Thread alanm (Alan Mitchell)
: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:04 PM To: David Winsemius Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot Hi David, Thanks for responding, and plain text ...(didn't realized I was in rich text). The endpoint is disease recurrence, I was producing a regular KM

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-28 Thread array chip
ginal Message- From: array chip [mailto:arrayprof...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:04 PM To: David Winsemius Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot Hi David, Thanks for responding, and plain text ...(didn't realized I was in rich text)

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-28 Thread array chip
chell) To: array chip ; David Winsemius Cc: r-help@r-project.org Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:20:22 AM Subject: RE: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot John, Since death precludes recurrence, censoring deaths would violate the KM estimator assumption that additional follow-up would event

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-27 Thread array chip
Thank you David. Didn't realized someone posted related topic this morning. John - Original Message From: David Winsemius To: array chip Cc: r-help@r-project.org Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:38:36 PM Subject: Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot On Jun 27, 2011,

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-27 Thread David Winsemius
ing's post from Dr Geskus is on point here. You should read his 2011 'Biometrics' paper. -- David. Thanks very much! John From: David Winsemius To: array chip Cc: r-help@r-project.org Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:45:35 PM Subject: Re: [R]

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-27 Thread array chip
t.org Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:45:35 PM Subject: Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:31 PM, array chip wrote: > Hi, I am wondering if anyone can explain to me if cumulative incidence (CI) is > just "1 minus kaplan-Meier survival"? First tell us

Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-27 Thread David Winsemius
On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:31 PM, array chip wrote: Hi, I am wondering if anyone can explain to me if cumulative incidence (CI) is just "1 minus kaplan-Meier survival"? First tell us what you think CI is defined as. I suspect it is not the same. The KM estimator is cumulative product of (alive

[R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot

2011-06-27 Thread array chip
Hi, I am wondering if anyone can explain to me if cumulative incidence (CI) is just "1 minus kaplan-Meier survival"? Under what circumstance, you should use cumulative incidence vs KM survival? If the relationship is just CI = 1-survival, then what difference it makes to use one vs. the other?