>>> "Stas Kolenikov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/02/2008 18:54 >>>
> I would think the FDA regulations could go as far as
>specific SAS syntax, or at least to specify SAS PROCs to be used.
This is unnecessary caution. FDA (like the MHRA in the UK, where I come
from) should not endorse a single suppl
On 2/11/08, Paul Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Stas Kolenikov wrote:
> > ...
> > Training researchers of tomorrow might be great, but ifyour students get
> on
> > the market in the end of the semester, they won't have the luxury of
> waiting
> > until R becomes THE package of choice.
> >
>
Neil Shephard wrote:
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> (Most) of this problem isn't negated when using R. Start a new job and
> use the (excellent, extensible, and free) software that you've been using
> for years.
>
Apologies for the double negative, that should have read
"(Most) of this problem _is_ negated when using
Stas Kolenikov wrote:
> ...
> Training researchers of tomorrow might be great, but ifyour students get on
> the market in the end of the semester, they won't have the luxury of waiting
> until R becomes THE package of choice.
>
Not being a teacher, I usually follow these discussions with a bit o
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 07:37:04AM -0800, Neil Shephard wrote:
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>
>
> Arin Basu-3 wrote:
> >
> > Comment 2:
> >
> > Finally, on a minor point, why is "R" the statistical software being
> > used? SPSS is probably more widely available in the workplace –
> > certainly in areas of social policy
Arin Basu-3 wrote:
>
> Comment 2:
>
> Finally, on a minor point, why is "R" the statistical software being
> used? SPSS is probably more widely available in the workplace –
> certainly in areas of social policy etc. " (Prof NB)
>
>
What struck me in the above is the "probably". How probabl
Hi Arin,
Others have commented wisely an your first issue. As for your 2nd issue, I
had my own concerns about using R in undergraduate teaching because I had
always used a point-and-click program for that level. I should not have
worried. The current generation has been typing on their keyboards
I've been teaching an intro stats class to engineering students (who are
better in calculus and math than med students, I would imagine), and use of
R has never been received very warmly. I might not be teaching it right, but
their (quite valid, from their standpoint) concerns were that they would
I will also evaluate what did the students used before in the
introductory statistics class and how proficient they have become in
using it. If they only barely touched it, I will use my class as a
chance to further refine their familiarity with the software they saw
before. Tool is tool, I conside
You can use a GUI to teach R, so the programming-style is gone.
But using the command line aproach, it forces you to think about your
analysis.
In an GUI, it's easy to point and click, without knowing what you are doing.
With the command line, you know where you start, and from there you go to
the
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Hello Arin,
If your future students do not know statistics, you might consider
buffering their introduction to R with the help of a GUI package, such
as Rcmdr (if functionality is missing, you could add it yourself via
the plugin infrastructure). Another way to help students would be to
direct the
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> Hi All,
>
> I am scheduled to teach a graduate course on research metho
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Hi All,
I am scheduled to teach a graduate course on research methods in
health sciences at a university. While draftin
Hi All,
I am scheduled to teach a graduate course on research methods in
health sciences at a university. While drafting the course proposal, I
decided to include a brief introduction to R, primarily with an
objective to enable the students to do data analysis using R. It is
expected that enrolled
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