Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-07 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, SASweave is an interesting concept and is further along than I thought. Thanks Donald. I have checked out many sources on the net. Also thanks for offering to help me get started. I have a masters in stat, not a Phd and I spend most of my time programming so I am a little over my had wit

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Daniel Nordlund
> -Original Message- > From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] > On Behalf Of Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:35 PM > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems >

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Thanks Dennis, Thanks for taking the time that was a very informed response. It was a teachable moment for me. I didn't know about the breath and depth of LaTeX. I need to do some self education. Unfortunately I don't see how to integrate LaTeX with SAS, since SAS has its own template/ta

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, I agree with Barry, but there are some of us out there that are trying to change the image of big Pharma. R helps statisticians do real science. I have complained for about 10 years about EXCEL and WORD driving the delivery of inputs and outputs. Years ago, I did a short gig with contrac

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, Just a couple of notes to reply to others questions. 1. unx is a file handle that points to my UNIX SAS work directory(like an R workspace). This directory is not mounted under windows. most of the SAS objects, ie SAS datasets in the 64bit Unix directory are available to my windows SAS p

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) wrote: > > Hi, > >  First a quick note about FDA and Style Guides. > >  Frank is correct the FDA does not require strict formatting. I once worked > for small startup and they sent EXCEL sheets to the FDA. However big pharma > usually has v

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, First a quick note about FDA and Style Guides. Frank is correct the FDA does not require strict formatting. I once worked for small startup and they sent EXCEL sheets to the FDA. However big pharma usually has very strict formatting requirements. I once produced a table where one of the

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread hadley wickham
>  Also I have seen 5,000 page listings in SAS. Is this a pro or a con? Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.c

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-06 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) wrote: Hi, About the forest plot. Some Phrarma companies demand the report and graphics follow very restrictive layouts. Thank goodness that the FDA does not require that. Frank SAS allows uses to use one template for graphs and tables. Margins have to

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Peter Dalgaard
Douglas Bates wrote: > The first VAX at our university, a VAX-11/780, was allegedly a "1 > MIPS" machine but it was pretty difficult to get it to do a million of > any instruction in one second. I eventually succeeded because it had > a special instruction for decrement and branch on zero so if yo

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, About the forest plot. Some Phrarma companies demand the report and graphics follow very restrictive layouts. SAS allows uses to use one template for graphs and tables. Margins have to the same for all reports. Fonts, fontsizes, linewidths, boxing body, cell spacing, cell pad

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, Again I slight mistake on my part. One of the largest Pharmaceutical Contract companies uses VMS. I erroneously added the VAX in front from my memory. I don't want to mention the company, but if anyone else there is familiar with contact pharma companies, one of these uses VMS(extensively-p

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Douglas Bates
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) wrote: > > Hi, > > This is not meant to be critical of R, but is intended as > a possible source for improvements to R. > SAS needs the competition. > > > I am reasonably knowledgeable about > > R > SAS-(all products including IML) > > SAS

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) wrote: > > Hi, > >  You are absolutely correct about 32/64 and it appears to be a severe > penalty. But I think 32 to 32(win/unix) does not incur the penalty. There > are even more issues between mainframe and unix/windows. The 32 to 64 is

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, You are absolutely correct about 32/64 and it appears to be a severe penalty. But I think 32 to 32(win/unix) does not incur the penalty. There are even more issues between mainframe and unix/windows. The 32 to 64 is a big hit when querying data dictionaries that have a mixture of 32/64 bit S

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Daniel Nordlund
> -Original Message- > From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] > On Behalf Of Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:35 PM > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems >

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, One final point about persistent simultaneous environments. In windows I sit in my development directory(PWD) and simultaneously my Unix session sits in my production directory(PWD). This simplifies versioning, promotion to production and batch execution. My Unix session is persisten

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, One other point. The connection I have with mutiple servers is persistent the windows SAS executable is is constant contact with all the SAS server executables. Also I can submit a job where unix code is interspersed with windows code. I do execute R and perl from SAS using pipes.

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, Here is the SAS command macro that reads what I highlight in my editor and prints 40 observations from the highlighted dataset after hitting the function key F4 F4 stores the highlighted text in the clipboard then executes the command macro, the rsubmit executes the code on the unix zeus s

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, I am using SSH, however I do have to set up a SAS Spawner on the remote host and use SAS remote library services. I also have to have listeners on both client and host? I am not a systems guy, so I do not know exactly how SAS makes the remote libraries available to windows. It is a li

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Stuart Luppescu
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 23:12 +0100, Barry Rowlingson wrote: > > 3. Highlight and hit F3 and the code is run > > interactively in unix. > > Okay, what's going on here? You have a Windows box (presumably in > front of you) and a Unix box somewhere on the network. And hitting F1 > runs it on the Win

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) wrote: > > Hi, > > This is not meant to be critical of R, but is intended as > a possible source for improvements to R. > SAS needs the competition. > > > I am reasonably knowledgeable about > > R > SAS-(all products including IML) > SAS h

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, You are correct SAS no longer supports OS X under SAS-Proper. I use the term SAS-Proper for base SAS with SAS-Connect. It does appear that some improper SAS products are supported under MAC OS? SAS releases JMP® 8 for Mac, Linux Users of all major desktop operating systems can now explore

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Kevin Middleton
> SAS and R run on > > Windows(all flavors) > UNIX(all flavors) > Apple OSs According to SAS (http://support.sas.com/kb/33/140.html and http://support.sas.com/kb/22/960.html), SAS will not run on OS X past 10.4. OS X 10.5 was released in late 2007, so I don't think it's really fair to say that

Re: [R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Thomas Lumley
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010, Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas) wrote: SAS and R run on Windows(all flavors) UNIX(all flavors) Apple OSs I would expect that for more obscure Unices it would be difficult to get SAS, but basically, yes. Does R run on natively (no emulation)? We have quite a few users on these

[R] SAS and R on multiple operating systems

2010-04-05 Thread Roger DeAngelis(xlr82sas)
Hi, This is not meant to be critical of R, but is intended as a possible source for improvements to R. SAS needs the competition. I am reasonably knowledgeable about R SAS-(all products including IML) SAS and R run on Windows(all flavors) UNIX(all flavors) Apple OSs Does R run on natively (