Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-18 Thread Tal Galili
Hello all, After many e-mails and comments, I made corrections to my post on the topic of R and funding. I hope this does a better service to the R community: http://www.r-statistics.com/2010/09/open-source-and-money-%E2%80%93-why-paying-r-developers-might-not-always-help-the-project/ Sorry for h

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-17 Thread Marianne Promberger
Hi, > I would GLADLY donate 30-50$ each year just to see R develop, but there > needs to be a way for me to do it in a civilized manner. If the userbase of > R is over 2 million there will surely be 100,000 users who, like myself, > will happily fork out 40$ a year - would that help? you can d

[R] R Founding

2010-09-17 Thread R P Herrold
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Peter Dalgaard wrote: On 09/17/2010 12:14 AM, Jeremy Miles wrote: As far as I remember, this requires that a real person opens the account, and takes on the associated tax issues. It may be different for US-based projects. Nope -- all around the world, the governments

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-17 Thread Rainer M Krug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/09/10 08:38, Peter Dalgaard wrote: > On 09/17/2010 12:14 AM, Jeremy Miles wrote: >>> I know from organizing a conference in Germany that the only really good way >>> was and is ordinary money transfer via BIC and IBAN numbers. Unfortunately, >>>

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Dalgaard
On 09/17/2010 12:14 AM, Jeremy Miles wrote: >> I know from organizing a conference in Germany that the only really good way >> was and is ordinary money transfer via BIC and IBAN numbers. Unfortunately, >> this system is pretty unknown in the US. Europeans can easily use money >> transfer to the R

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Juliet Hannah
Hi Group, I have a possibly naive question, but it seems like it fits into this discussion. I have observed that when researchers publish findings that are deemed to be high-impact, generous funding often follows. R is used everywhere, and, of course, for many of these projects. So my naive que

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Matt Shotwell
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 17:30 -0400, Tal Galili wrote: > Hello dear Jaroslaw, > I strongly agree with you that the R foundation should have an easier method > of enabling people to give donations. > At the same time, I feel there is a (friendly) disagreement between us on > how such money should be u

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Ravi Varadhan
Subject: Re: [R] R Founding Hello dear Jaroslaw, I strongly agree with you that the R foundation should have an easier method of enabling people to give donations. At the same time, I feel there is a (friendly) disagreement between us on how such money should be used. Your massage has inspired me to

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Jeremy Miles
> I know from organizing a conference in Germany that the only really good way > was and is ordinary money transfer via BIC and IBAN numbers. Unfortunately, > this system is pretty unknown in the US. Europeans can easily use money > transfer to the R foundation. > Paypal? Many open source projec

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Tal Galili
Hello dear Jaroslaw, I strongly agree with you that the R foundation should have an easier method of enabling people to give donations. At the same time, I feel there is a (friendly) disagreement between us on how such money should be used. Your massage has inspired me to write a post on the topic

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread David Smith
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > >  On 16/09/2010 3:29 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: >> >> Revolution has given back in a number of ways: supporting the useR >> conference, assisting R core with getting R to build on 64-bit Windows >> systems, bug fixes, releasing some open sour

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 16/09/2010 3:29 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: I am sure there would be enough to employ some foundation members > full-time, pay external CSs and even protect the system in court from those > who make money off of somebody else's work and do not give back to the > community (you know who I am

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Kevin Wright
I am sure there would be enough to employ some foundation members > full-time, pay external CSs and even protect the system in court from those > who make money off of somebody else's work and do not give back to the > community (you know who I am talking about). > If you are trying to smear Rev

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Joshua Wiley
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:49 AM, jaropis wrote: > A few days ago Tal Galili posted a message about some controversies > concerning the future of R. Having read the discussions, especially those > following Ross Ihaka's post, I have come to the conclusion, that, as usual, > the problem is money. I

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Uwe Ligges
I cannot speak for the R Foundation, but you know, getting a US check into money is roughly 20$ fees (at least in Germany, don't know the typical Austrian conditions). I know from organizing a conference in Germany that the only really good way was and is ordinary money transfer via BIC and IB

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Christopher W. Ryan
I mailed a check for an R Foundation membership almost a year ago, along with the form. In US dollars, corrected by the then-current Euro exchange rate. It has never been cashed. Christopher W. Ryan, MD SUNY Upstate Medical University Clinical Campus at Binghamton 425 Robinson Street, Binghamt

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 16/09/2010 6:49 AM, jaropis wrote: A few days ago Tal Galili posted a message about some controversies concerning the future of R. Having read the discussions, especially those following Ross Ihaka's post, I have come to the conclusion, that, as usual, the problem is money. I doubt there woul

Re: [R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread stephen sefick
I am a poor student, and would gladly donate 20ish bucks if it would help. R continues to make me more productive. Thanks for all of the good work! On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:49 AM, jaropis wrote: > A few days ago Tal Galili posted a message about some controversies > concerning the future of R.

[R] R Founding

2010-09-16 Thread jaropis
A few days ago Tal Galili posted a message about some controversies concerning the future of R. Having read the discussions, especially those following Ross Ihaka's post, I have come to the conclusion, that, as usual, the problem is money. I doubt there would be discussions about dropping R in