Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-30 Thread Bert Gunter
No substantive comment. But your addendum does bring to mind Gilbert and Sullivan (HMS Pinafore): " I am never known to quail At the fury of a gale, And I'm never, never sick at sea! Chorus. What, never? Captain. No, never! Chorus. What, never? Captain. Hardly ever! " https://www.letssingit.com/

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-30 Thread Patrick Connolly
How about "Physics / politics / economics are my favoruite subject"? Might be fun to see how long we could make that list. It seems to be a fact of life that it's impossible to make a (useful) language that has totally consistent grammar. Something else to consider:I knew an English teacher wh

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-25 Thread David Winsemius
I’m surprised no on has reference the F distribution where the degrees of freedom are manifestly plural. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2018, at 6:05 PM, John wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:16:24 -0400 > JRG wrote: > >>> On 06/24/2018 08:03 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: >>> Ted, et. al.: >>>

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-25 Thread John
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:16:24 -0400 JRG wrote: > On 06/24/2018 08:03 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: > > Ted, et. al.: > > > > Re: "Data is" vs "data are" ... Heh heh! > > > > "This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put." > > (Attributed to Churchill in one form or another, likely w

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-25 Thread John
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:46:07 +1200 Rolf Turner wrote: > Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the > degrees of freedom are defined to be"? > I've leaned to differentiating between one degree of freedom and multiple degrees of freedom and, when needed, phrase what I w

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-25 Thread John McKown
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:08 PM Michael Sumner wrote: > No it isn't. Your stature is diminished by hateful behaviour. > ​I will most likely also be labelled "hateful" for saying this, but I found Rolf's post to be accurate, although phrased in a bit of an elitist way.​ Being a bit of a grammar N

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Michael Sumner
No it isn't. Your stature is diminished by hateful behaviour. Cheers, Mike On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 07:26 Rolf Turner, wrote: > On 25/06/18 12:03, Bert Gunter wrote: > > Ted, et. al.: > > > > Re: "Data is" vs "data are" ... Heh heh! > > > > "This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Rolf Turner
On 25/06/18 12:03, Bert Gunter wrote: Ted, et. al.: Re: "Data is" vs "data are" ... Heh heh! "This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put." (Attributed to Churchill in one form or another, likely wrongly.) See here for some semi-authoritative dicussion: http://www.onlineg

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread JRG
On 06/24/2018 08:03 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: > Ted, et. al.: > > Re: "Data is" vs "data are" ... Heh heh! > > "This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put." > (Attributed to Churchill in one form or another, likely wrongly.) > > See here for some semi-authoritative dicussion

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Bert Gunter
Ted, et. al.: Re: "Data is" vs "data are" ... Heh heh! "This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put." (Attributed to Churchill in one form or another, likely wrongly.) See here for some semi-authoritative dicussion: http://www.onlinegrammar.com.au/top-10-grammar-myths-data-

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Ted Harding
On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 09:46 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the > degrees of freedom are defined to be"? > > Although value of "degrees of freedom" is a single number, the first > formulation sounds very odd to my ear. > > I would li

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread JRG
(I suspect there will be much disagreement about "is" vs. "are".) I'd say something like "the parameter degrees of freedom is defined to be ..." ---JRG On 06/24/2018 05:46 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: > > Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the > degrees of freedom are

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Peter Langfelder
I would use "the number of degrees of freedom is defined... ". Peter On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 2:46 PM Rolf Turner wrote: > > > Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the > degrees of freedom are defined to be"? > > Although value of "degrees of freedom" is a single numbe

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Hasan Diwan
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 14:46, Rolf Turner wrote: > > > Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the > degrees of freedom are defined to be"? "are", the noun in your statement is "degrees", while the fragment "of freedom" acts as an adjective, narrowing the scope of the te

Re: [R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 24/06/2018 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the degrees of freedom are defined to be"? Although value of "degrees of freedom" is a single number, the first formulation sounds very odd to my ear. I would like to call upon the colle

[R] OT --- grammar.

2018-06-24 Thread Rolf Turner
Does/should one say "the degrees of freedom is defined to be" or "the degrees of freedom are defined to be"? Although value of "degrees of freedom" is a single number, the first formulation sounds very odd to my ear. I would like to call upon the collective wisdom of the R community to he