Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-27 Thread Kevin Wright
Kathy, You might find some relevant reading in volume 13 of the Journal of Statistical Software: http://www.jstatsoft.org/v13 Some of the papers have a bit of discussion on why R has become more widely used than lisp-stat. K Wright On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Kathy Gerber <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-22 Thread Paul Gilbert
Kathy The dedication of the developers and several other important things have already been mentioned. Here are a few points I have not seen. - I believe S was originally open source (before the term existed and before GPL, and license issues were probably clouded with respect to changing the

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-22 Thread Michael A. Miller
> "Greg" == Greg Snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There are a couple of ideas that I would like to add that > may have played a part in the level of growth that R has > had. Something that I haven't seen mentioned yet that played a role in my adopting R is the ability to create

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-21 Thread Greg Snow
Data Center Intermountain Healthcare [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 408-8111 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gerber > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:53 PM > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: [R] History of

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-21 Thread Greg Snow
ruary 20, 2008 5:52 AM > To: Earl F. Glynn > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [R] History of R > > Earl F. Glynn wrote: > > > Nearly six years ago, SAS also refused to give us academic pricing > > because we were not a degree granting institution. About a >

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-20 Thread Barry Rowlingson
Earl F. Glynn wrote: > Nearly six years ago, SAS also refused to give us academic pricing because > we were not a degree granting institution. About a year ago, SAS finally > granted us academic pricing, but most of the analysis momentum was already > for the use of R/Bioconductor. I recently

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-19 Thread andy bush
Kathy Gerber wrote: > > Earlier today I sent a question to Frank Harrell as an R developer with > whom I am most familiar. He suggested also that I put my questions to > the list for additional responses. Next month I'll be giving a talk on > R as an example of high quality open source soft

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-19 Thread Earl F. Glynn
"Kathy Gerber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Spencer, > > I believe this is the first mention of pricing that I've seen. > Several additional points have been made about the comparison of R to > Octave, some off list. > -- Matlab did not alienate developers all th

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-19 Thread Roland Rau
Hi Kathy, maybe this article could be also of use for you? Ihaka, R., and Gentleman, R. (1996)," R: A Language for Data Analysis and Graphics," The Journal of Computational and Graphical Statistics, 5, 299-314 Best, Roland Kathy Gerber wrote: > Earlier today I sent a question to Frank Harrell

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-17 Thread John C Frain
The windows port of R has been very good for a long time. I know some people who even think that the current windows port is better than the Linux version. Thanks to those who have made the windows port available and who continue to maintain it. I now use both MS Windows and Linux (Fedora) and wo

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-16 Thread Kathy Gerber
Spencer, I believe this is the first mention of pricing that I've seen. The accommodation and consideration of contributed packages has been addressed to some degree. Several additional points have been made about the comparison of R to Octave, some off list. -- Matlab did not alienate devel

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-16 Thread Spencer Graves
Hi, Kathy, John, et al.: Has there been an answer to the question of why R has been much more successful than Octave? In this regard, can anyone provide a price comparison of student versions for S-Plus and Matlab during R's gestation period, 10-15 years ago? I had the impressio

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread Kathy Gerber
Thanks to all who responded so thoughtfully. I would like to summarize briefly the observations and opinions so far with some of my own interpretations and thoughts. John Fox is working on a much deeper history scheduled for August, and his three factors are a good starting point. John Fox w

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread John Fox
cmaster.ca/jfox > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > project.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Gerber > Sent: February-15-08 2:53 PM > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: [R] History of R > > Earlier today I sent a question to Frank Har

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread Achim Zeileis
For those of you who want to learn more about the history of the R project: There will be an invited lecture by John Fox and Kurt Hornik at this year's useR! conference in Dortmund in August (...unfortunately a bit too late for Kathy) about "The Past, Present, and Future of the R Project" see ht

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread John Sorkin
Kathy. A suggestion. As you gather your information about the history, I suggest you put fingers to keyboard and write down the history. You could start with the material Douglas just sent to you. Perhaps we can convince the R folks to place the history on the CRAN website - perhaps in WIKI form

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread Douglas Bates
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Douglas Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Kathy Gerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Earlier today I sent a question to Frank Harrell as an R developer with > > whom I am most familiar. He suggested also that I put my questions

Re: [R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread Douglas Bates
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Kathy Gerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Earlier today I sent a question to Frank Harrell as an R developer with > whom I am most familiar. He suggested also that I put my questions to > the list for additional responses. Next month I'll be giving a talk on >

[R] History of R

2008-02-15 Thread Kathy Gerber
Earlier today I sent a question to Frank Harrell as an R developer with whom I am most familiar. He suggested also that I put my questions to the list for additional responses. Next month I'll be giving a talk on R as an example of high quality open source software. I think there is much to