Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-10-06 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression Darin Brooks wrote: Glad you were amused. I assume that "booking this as a fortune" means that this was an idiotic w

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-10-06 Thread Kjetil Halvorsen
E Harrell Jr >>> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:15 PM >>> To: Darin Brooks >>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression >>> >>> Darin Brooks wrote: >>>

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-29 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Greg Snow wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] project.org] On Behalf Of Frank E Harrell Jr Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:15 PM To: Darin Brooks Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-29 Thread Greg Snow
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > project.org] On Behalf Of Frank E Harrell Jr > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:15 PM > To: Darin Brooks > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [R]

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-29 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Message- From: Bert Gunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:26 PM To: 'David Winsemius'; 'Darin Brooks' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [R] FW: logistic regression The Inferno awaits me -- but I cannot resist a comment (bu

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-29 Thread Gavin Simpson
> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:26 PM > > To: 'David Winsemius'; 'Darin Brooks' > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [R] FW: logistic regression > > > > > > The Inferno awaits me -- but I cannot resist a commen

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-29 Thread Gavin Simpson
irrelevant" background noise. Pogo was right: " We have seen the enemy -- > and it is us." > > (As I said, the Inferno awaits...) > > Cheers to all, > Bert Gunter > > DEFINITELY MY OWN OPINIONS HERE! > > > > -Original Message- >

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-28 Thread Robert A LaBudde
is forum a year ago. Thanks again. -Original Message- From: Frank E Harrell Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:23 PM To: Darin Brooks Cc: 'Bert Gunter'; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression Darin Brooks wrote: > I ce

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-28 Thread Darin Brooks
; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression Darin Brooks wrote: > I certainly appreciate your comments, Bert. It is abundantly clear > that I won't be invited to any of the cocktail parties hosted by the > "polite circles". I am not a statistician. I am merel

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-28 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
ell -Original Message- From: Bert Gunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:26 PM To: 'David Winsemius'; 'Darin Brooks' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [R] FW: logistic regression The Inferno awaits me -- but I cannot re

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-28 Thread Darin Brooks
Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:26 PM To: 'David Winsemius'; 'Darin Brooks' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [R] FW: logistic regression The Inferno awaits me -- but I cannot resist a comment (but DO look at Frank's website). There is a deep and disconce

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-28 Thread Bert Gunter
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] On > Behalf Of Ted Harding > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression > > > > On 27-Sep-08 21:45:23, Dieter Menne wrote: >> Frank E Harrell Jr vanderbilt.edu>

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-28 Thread John Kane
--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Dieter Menne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Dieter Menne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 5:45 PM > Frank E Harrell Jr > vanderbilt.edu> w

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
he full model using penalized maximum likelihood estimation. lasso and lasso-like methods are also worth pursuing. Cheers Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Harding Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread David Winsemius
hoice to extract significant predictors (from a list of about 44) for a measured dependent variable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Ted Harding Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [R] FW

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Darin Brooks
--Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Harding Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [R] FW: logistic regression On 27-Sep-08 21:45:23, Dieter Menne wrote: > Frank E Harrell Jr vanderbilt.edu> writes:

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Ted Harding
On 27-Sep-08 21:45:23, Dieter Menne wrote: > Frank E Harrell Jr vanderbilt.edu> writes: > >> Estimates from this model (and especially standard errors and >> P-values) >> will be invalid because they do not take into account the stepwise >> procedure above that was used to torture the data unt

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Dieter Menne
Frank E Harrell Jr vanderbilt.edu> writes: > Estimates from this model (and especially standard errors and P-values) > will be invalid because they do not take into account the stepwise > procedure above that was used to torture the data until they confessed. > > Frank Please book this as a f

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Darin Brooks wrote: Sorry. Let me try again then. I am trying to find "significant" predictors" from a list of about 44 independent variables. So I started with all 44 variables and ran Why? What is wrong with insignificant predictors? drop1(sep22lr, test="Chisq")... and then dropped the

Re: [R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Kevin E. Thorpe
Darin Brooks wrote: > Sorry. > > Let me try again then. > > I am trying to find "significant" predictors" from a list of about 44 > independent variables. So I started with all 44 variables and ran > drop1(sep22lr, test="Chisq")... and then dropped the highest p value from > the run. Then I rer

[R] FW: logistic regression

2008-09-27 Thread Darin Brooks
Sorry. Let me try again then. I am trying to find "significant" predictors" from a list of about 44 independent variables. So I started with all 44 variables and ran drop1(sep22lr, test="Chisq")... and then dropped the highest p value from the run. Then I reran the drop1. Model: MIN_Mstocked