Re: [R] F-values in nested designs

2011-10-05 Thread Marcus Nunes
Dennis, thanks for your help. I've read your email and the references you gave and things are more clear to me. Best, Marcus On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 19:28, Dennis Murphy wrote: > > Hi: > > > INB4: if I have a nested design with treatment A and treatment B > > within A, F-values are MSA/MSA(B)

Re: [R] F-values in nested designs

2011-10-04 Thread Dennis Murphy
Hi: > INB4: if I have a nested design with treatment A and treatment B > within A, F-values are MSA/MSA(B) and MSA(B)/MSE, correct? How can I > make R give these values directly, without further coding? This is how to get an equivalent model in lme4, but it probably isn't what you expect (particu

[R] F-values in nested designs

2011-10-04 Thread Marcus Nunes
Hello all I'm trying to learn how to fit a nested model in R. I found a toy example on internet where a dataset that have 3 areas and 4 sites within these areas. When I use Minitab to fit a nested model to this data, this is the ANOVA table that I got: Nested ANOVA: y versus areas, sites Analysi