Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread Jim Lemon
Hi Rich, Being in a position of relative ignorance on this topic, I'll offer some suggestions that may well be useless. You mention ternary diagrams, which use position to represent compositional proportions. These will not scale up to 46 values in any way that I can imagine. If you want to displa

Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Bert Gunter wrote: I believe John Aitchison's book and papers are the authoritative basic resources. Have you read them? Bert, Yes, I have. The problem is that the support of the distributions are (hyper)simplexes, not Euclidean space, due to the requirement that the

Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, John Kane wrote: Then it sounds like you are one of the experts. Do whatever you think appropriate and either set the standard for future research or get enough feedback to do even better next time. :) John, Far from an expert, but becoming more capable with each projec

Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread John Kane
See in-line John Kane Kingston ON Canada > -Original Message- > From: rshep...@appl-ecosys.com > Sent: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:33:43 -0700 (PDT) > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts > > On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Joh

Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, John Kane wrote: I think this is more a technical question for the subject matter experts than for R-help if I am understanding the question correctly. John, I agree completely. Unfortunately, there is no R SIG devoted to CoDA, nor any other mail list or Web forum that

Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Aaron Mackey wrote: One immediate question is how independent you believe the 46 components to be, and whether certain components could be reduced or otherwise coordinately-modeled; a heatmap of your 46x46 pairwise correlations should be informative. Also consider log-scalin

Re: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread John Kane
:44 -0700 (PDT) > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: [R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts > >The compositional data have been divided into two data frames: 46 > response > variables (the compositional components) and 5 explanatory variables. > There > are

[R] Displaying Compositional Data With 46 Parts

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Shepard
The compositional data have been divided into two data frames: 46 response variables (the compositional components) and 5 explanatory variables. There are 209 observations of each. With no experience analyzing large compositions with so many parts your advice on how to plot and report results of