Re: [R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Sergei Ko
>From a practitioner perspective. Parametric methods have more power. If assumptions are here - use formulas. On the other hand my usual recommendation to colleagues: "If you don't know what to do - use bootstrap." Regards, Sergiy On Mon, 5 May 2025, 17:06 Gregg Powell via R-help, wrote: > Hi K

Re: [R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Sorkin, John
Chris, In all likelihood, if computers had been invented, "traditional" statistics would have been invented, but it would be less fully developed than it currently is. While resampling, simulations, etc. can give answers, they have at least two drawbacks. First, compared to "traditional" metho

Re: [R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Chris Ryan
I've often wondered how the field of statistics, and statistical education, would have evolved if modern-day computers and software and programming were available in the early years. Would the "traditional" methods, requiring simplifying assumptions, have been developed at all? --Chris Ryan avi.e

Re: [R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread avi.e.gross
A brief answer to this OT question is that many disciplines do the same thing and teach multiple methods, including some that are historical and are no longer really used. But since you say this was an intro course, it would not prepare you well if later courses and the real world expose you to us

Re: [R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Bert Gunter
Heh. I suspect you'll get some interesting responses, but I won't try to answer your questions. Instead, I'll just say: (All just imo, so caveat emptor) 1. What you have been taught is mostly useless for addressing "real" statistical issues; 2. Most of my 40 or so years of statistical practice i

Re: [R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Ebert,Timothy Aaron
(adding slightly to Gregg's answer) Why do professionals use both? Computer intensive methods (bootstrap, randomization, jackknife) are data hungry. They do not work well if I have a sample size of 4. One could argue that the traditional methods also have trouble, but one could also think of the

[R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Gregg Powell via R-help
Hi Kevin, It might seem like simulation methods (bootstrapping and randomization) and traditional formulas (Normal or t-distributions) are just two ways to do the same job. So why learn both? Each approach has its own strengths, and statisticians use both in practice. Why do professionals use b

[R] OT: A philosophical question about statistics

2025-05-05 Thread Kevin Zembower via R-help
I marked this posting as Off Topic because it doesn’t specifically apply to R and Statistics, but is rather a general question about statistics and the teaching of statistics. If this is annoying to you, I apologize. As I wrap up my work in my beginning statistics course, I’d like to ask a philoso

Re: [R] non-reproducible eigen() output with MKL

2025-05-05 Thread Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP)
A relevant thread from a few years ago where this was discussed: https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2023-August/477904.html I generally use: export OPENBLAS_NUM_THREADS=1 export MKL_NUM_THREADS=1 since in my experience the biggest performance gains come from switching to OpenBLAS /

Re: [R] non-reproducible eigen() output with MKL

2025-05-05 Thread Martin Maechler
> smallepsilon via R-help > on Sun, 04 May 2025 18:11:57 + writes: > Peter, The eigenvalues are not identical(), but are > all.equal(). When n is 20, the crossproduct is > (numerically) a diagonal matrix with +-1 on the > diagonal. When n is 50, this is not the c