completion is semi-broken in today's r-devel, and the reason seems to
be some regular expression changes:
> sessionInfo()
R version 2.6.0 Under development (unstable) (2007-05-22 r41673)
i686-pc-linux-gnu
locale:
[...]
attached base packages:
[1] "stats" "graphics" "grDevices" "utils" "
On 5/5/07, Luke Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> However, R_PolledEvents is only called from a limited set of places
> now (including the socket reading code to keep things responsive
> during blocking reads). But it is not called from the interupt
> checking code, which means if a use
Hi,
I have been playing around with a Qt based pager. One of the things I
would like to be able to do is syntax highlighting for R code. This is
mostly relevant with the page function, e.g.
page(ls)
The problem in this case is that the pager has no way of knowing
whether the file it is showing c
Hi,
this is tangentially related to the recent discussion on vignettes.
vignette() currently produces a listing of available vignettes, but
these are not clickable. Since R has a browseURL() function, it seems
natural to have a version that produces HTML with clickable links.
Here's an attempt at
On 6/4/07, Seth Falcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Friedrich Leisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Looks good to me, and certainly something worth being added to R.
> >
> > 2 quick (related) comments:
> >
> > 1) I am not sure if we want to include links to the Latex-Sources by
> >default, tho
On 6/4/07, Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I think this is a nice idea (and not very different to somethign I have
> bene playing with), but with lots of CHARSXP changes pending I'd
> like to come back to it next week or so.
>
> Sorry, Deepayan, you've happened to hit a ve
On 6/5/07, Friedrich Leisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:52:51 -0700,
> >>>>> Robert Gentleman (RG) wrote:
>
> > Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> >> On 6/4/07, Seth Falcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
"
Neither of which is what I want. I want
> sapply(attr(foo, "srcref"), as.character)
[1] "a <- 1""b <- 2**2" "a + b"
but was hoping for a better way than this.
-Deepayan
>
> On 7/12/07, Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
Hi,
I'm trying to understand whether the new source file references can
help me with something I want to do. Let's say I have
foo <- parse(text = "
a <- 1; b <- 2**2
a + b
")
I now wish to recover the sources for the parsed expressions. I can
get them one at a time:
> foo[[2]]
b <- 2^2
> as.cha
Hi,
I'm trying to understand whether the use of substitute() is
appropriate/documented for plotmath annotation. The following two
calls give the same results:
> plot(1:10, main = expression(alpha == 1))
> do.call(plot, list(1:10, main = expression(alpha == 1)))
But not these two:
> plot(1:10, m
On 7/16/07, Peter Dalgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm trying to understand whether the use of substitute() is
> > appropriate/documented for plotmath annotation. The following two
> > calls give th
On 8/20/07, Vincent Carey 525-2265 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> library(MASS)
> G1 = glm(sp~CW, data=crabs, fam=binomial)
> G2 = do.call("glm", list(sp~CW, family=binomial, data=crabs))
>
> G1$call is very nice to look at
> G2$call is very voluminous
>
> if we revise do.call to
>
> function (wh
On 8/31/07, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The IEEE floating point standard allows for negative zero, but it's hard
> to know that you have one in R. One reliable test is to take the
> reciprocal. For example,
>
> > y <- 0
> > 1/y
> [1] Inf
> > y <- -y
> > 1/y
> [1] -Inf
>
>
On 12/6/07, Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The defaults for postscript()
>
> paper = "default"
> onefile = TRUE
> horizontal = TRUE
>
> (it seems) date from the days when people used to used this to send plots
> directly to a postscript printer via print.it=TRUE. I haven't done tha
On 12/18/07, Byron Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I probably missed this discussion, but why not just ASK the device if
> it is interactive?
That's done if the device is open. deviceIsInteractive() takes away
the guessing even when it's not (the use-case is when you type
example(something) wit
On 12/18/07, hadley wickham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > pkgs <-
> > as.data.frame(available.packages(contrib.url("http://cran.r-project.org";)))
> > pkgs["sn", c("Package", "Version")]
>
> But looking at http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/ only sn_0.4-2 is
> available. Any ideas?
I see 0.4
On 12/18/07, hadley wickham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/18/07, Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 12/18/07, hadley wickham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > pkgs <-
> > > > as.data.frame(available.packages(contrib.ur
On 2/13/08, Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/13/08, Wolfgang Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Deepayan,
> >
> > levelplot from the lattice package produces a peculiar output when
> > called on a matrix whose column or row name
On 2/13/08, Wolfgang Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Deepayan,
>
> levelplot from the lattice package produces a peculiar output when
> called on a matrix whose column or row names contained duplicated
> elements. In particular, the plot contains white stripes, and the
> arrangement of data r
On 2/14/08, Susan R. Atlas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>Last year our systems group tried to install R on an IBM
> p5-570 machine (16 nodes, 256 GB shared RAM), running AIX 5.3. They
> ran into all sorts of difficulties and finally gave up.
>I am interested in trying again (and wor
On 3/13/08, Ben Bolker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Can someone point me to a justification for the design
> decisions, which seem to be similar in lattice and
> ggplot2, of
Disclaimer: I don't have strong personal preferences, I just went with
what Trellis had. That said,
> (1) gray backg
On 4/9/08, Herve Pages <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Let's create the xxx object just to avoid confusion even if it's not
> necessary
> for reproducing the problem below:
>
>xxx <- 8:3
>
> If I start typing this:
>
>max(xxx[
>
> and now try to autocomplete with , then I get the
On 4/9/08, Herve Pages <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> BTW are there any plans to deal with backquoted symbols/names?
> There are currently 2 problems with this:
>
> 1. Completion will work and expand symbols or names that contain special
> characters but without backquoting them:
>
>
For what it's worth, I use ?foo mostly to look up usage of functions
that I know I want to use, and find it perfect for that (one benefit
over help() is that completion works for ?). The only thing I miss is
the ability to do the equivalent of help("foo", package = "bar");
?bar::foo gives the help
On 4/28/08, Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The difference is in INSTALL, not build/check.
>
> You are right that the Unix INSTALL was changed in r25808 (Aug 2003), but
> AFAICS this was not documented at the time in [O]NEWS, nor anywhere else.
>
> Can you point me to the documenta
On 5/20/08, Kurapati, Ravichandra (Ravichandra)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
>Dataframefdf contains
>
>
>
> bin rate overlay
>
> 1 1 90 Assign First/cc _from_SN_53 RNC_20_to_SN_50 RNC_21_Success
> Rate
>
> 2 2
On 5/21/08, Henrik Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> right now we have (on R v2.7.0 patched (2008-04-23 r45466)) that:
>
> > rawToChar(raw(0))
> [1] ""
> > rawToChar(raw(0), multiple=TRUE)
> character(0)
>
> Is this intended or should both return character(0)? Personally, I
> w
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:23 PM, John Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> I've run into a problem with R CMD INSTALL under Windows Vista and R 2.8.0:
>
> - snip ---
>
> C:\Users\John Fox\workspace>c:\R\R-2.8.0\bin\R CMD INSTALL car
> installing to ''
Not sure if
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Daniel Kornhauser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I would like to find out the panel of a xyplot matrix where a mouse clicked.
>
> I know this functionality is already bundled in trellis.focus but I can't
> use it because I am coding a stand alone application
Hi,
I have put up details of a new tool for tagging R code at
http://dsarkar.fhcrc.org/rtags/rtags.html
that Emacs/ESS users may be interested in. It should be possible to
extend this for other editors as well.
Comments and feedback welcome.
-Deepayan
_
f the bomb is found below, excluding the memory map. Please
also note that it may be somehow related to grid, as the following
code (supplied by Deepayan Sarkar) using base graphics does not crash
R, even with n=10...
pdf()
n = 1000
plot(rnorm(n), rnorm(n), col = rgb(0, 0, 0, alpha = runif(n)),
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Daniel Kornhauser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> (Tried to find a bug report about this issue, but was unable to find it, let
> me know if this is a known issue)
> I have been working on an interface to highlight xyplot panels on mouse
> overs in JavaGD but I
On 11/19/08, Daniel Kornhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks a lot for taking this on guys !
>
> Some more background in case you are interested:
>
> I have almost a working version of focus for selecting a panel with mouse
> over in a stanalone Java application using an REngine I only have
On 2/19/09, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
[...]
> On 19 February 2009 at 09:33, Simon Urbanek wrote:
> | If primitive 3d scatterplot interactivity is all you want, go with
> | rggobi. It's GTK and has all this already and much more. However,
> | ggobi also shows why GTK is not a good choice for gener
On 4/26/09, Stavros Macrakis wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Ted Harding
>
> wrote:
> > On 24-Apr-09 16:53:04, Stavros Macrakis wrote:
> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Ted Harding
> >> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>> ...inspires someone to incorporate the same language extension
> >
Hi,
This is essentially a reposting of
http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/devel/05/11/3305.html
which had no responses, and the behaviour reported there persists in
r-devel as of yesterday.
(1) sort() with non-null partial
> x = rnorm(10)
> keep = as.integer(ppoints(1) * 10)
> syste
Hi,
Even though R is a functional language and it's common to have
functions as arguments to other functions (notably lapply and
friends), it is not possible to manipulate functions as easily as
other objects. I particularly miss
1. An operator to combine functions (analogous to %*%), e.g.
"%of%
On 3/7/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm writing wrappers for some functions that change some of the default
> arguments. I'd rather not list all of the arguments for the low level
> functions because there are about a dozen wrapper functions, and about
> 20 arguments to low
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Njg2LXBjLWxpbnV4LWdudQo+IFN1Ym1pc3Npb24gZnJvbTogKE5VTEwpICgxMjguMjEwLjE0MS4y
NDApCj4KPgo+IE15IGFwcG9sb2dpZXMgaWYgdGhpcyBoYXMgYWxyZWFkeSBiZWVuIGZp
Trying again...
On Thursday 30 March 2006 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Full_Name: Ben Tyner
> Version: 2.2.0
> OS: i686-pc-linux-gnu
> Submission from: (NULL) (128.210.141.240)
>
>
> My appologies if this has already been fixed, but I didn't see it in the
> tracking system yet so I thought
On 5/18/06, Lutz Prechelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (was: AW: [Rd] R CMD check: checking examples: how to (not) pause
> execution)
>
> Paul, Brian,
>
> > > I think the more usual way to solve this is to have the user set
> > > par(ask=TRUE) is they want to be prompted.
>
> thank you.
> Looking
On 5/21/06, Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A year ago I had posted this code
>
> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2005-June/033508.html
>
> and the associated discussion was that there would be a print.trellis
> argument that could be used to eliminate the need for with.vpPat
On 5/21/06, Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks. I should have realized that. Now that I read it again with
> your explanation it is clear.
>
> At the same time it would be convenient if one could specify a viewport
> or vpPath, as well. If that were the case we could also eli
Hi,
?gpar says:
Specifying the value 'NULL' for a parameter is the same as not
specifying any value for that parameter, except for 'col' and
'fill', where 'NULL' indicates not to draw a border or not to fill
an area (respectively).
However, I get
> library(grid)
> grid.point
On 9/4/06, Richard M. Heiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ## This example runs in R 2.3.1 and does not run in R 2.4.1. I am
> ## raising it here for two questions: one on how to debug functions
> ## inside a namespace, the other on how to control clipping.
>
> tmp <- data.frame(x=1:5, y=1:5, a=
On 9/5/06, Richard M. Heiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Prof Brian Ripley
> > There is no '2.4.1', and your R-devel is not very recent.
>
> Apologies on the typo and the two-week old 2.4.0dev.
>
> I just downloaded
>version 2.4.0 Under development (unstable) (2006-09-04 r39086)
>
>
>
On 9/5/06, Richard M. Heiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deepayan wrote:
>
> > > xyplot(y ~ x | a,
> > >data=tmp, ylim=c(1.5,4.5),
> > >par.settings = list(clip = list(panel = "off")),
> > >layout=c(2,2))
> >
> > I'm curious to know why this functionality is not enough.
Hi,
I know S manuals used to warn against using the same names for a
variable and a function, but I have never seen that cause problems in
R, so I usually don't pay much attention to it. Which is why the
following behaviour came as a surprise:
> bar <- function() 1
> foo <- function(bar = bar())
On 9/11/06, Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know S manuals used to warn against using the same names for a
> > variable and a function, but I have never seen that cause problems i
Hi,
there will be some fairly major changes in the lattice that will get
released with R 2.4.0. A first version is now available on CRAN, at
http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/2.4.0/Recommended/lattice_0.14-3.tar.gz
Although there is a dependency on R 2.4, the package passes R CMD
check on 2.
Hi,
since lattice uses nested lists in various situations, it has had an
unexported function called updateList for a while, which looks like
> lattice:::updateList
function (x, val)
{
if (is.null(x))
x <- list()
if (!is.list(x))
stop("x must be NULL or a list")
if (!is
On 9/15/06, Martin Maechler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> "DeepS" == Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> on Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:22:15 -0700 writes:
>
> DeepS> Hi, since lattice uses nested lists in variou
On 9/15/06, Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/15/06, Martin Maechler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>> "DeepS" == Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>>> on Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:22:15 -0700
On 9/18/06, Gabor Grothendieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be nice if the .Rd file had one or more examples
> since its not that easy to otherwise understand what it
> does. Regards.
Added now, although it's not very realistic.
Deepayan
__
R
back, with a possible implementation:
https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2006-March/036696.html
Again, the main question is whether it makes sense to introduce this
in `one of the base packages'.
-Deepayan
> On 9/18/06, Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 9/15/0
On 9/30/06, Richard M. Heiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > library(lattice)
> > xyplot(rnorm(10) ~ rnorm(10) | factor(1:10), layout=c(2,3))
> > version
>_
> platform i386-pc-mingw32
> arch i386
> os mingw32
> system i386, mingw32
> status
Hi,
the NEWS for R 2.4.0 has:
o hist(*, plot = FALSE) now warns about unused arguments.
I'm sure this does some good for someone somewhere, but it causes
lattice::histogram() calls to produce warnings now in certain cases,
which I need to fix. However, ?hist makes no mention of this new st
On 10/22/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/22/2006 3:56 PM, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a package where I'm calling an R function (say "foo") from C
> > code. "foo" is in the same package, but is not e
Hi,
I have a package where I'm calling an R function (say "foo") from C
code. "foo" is in the same package, but is not exported. I construct
the call using lang1(install("foo")), but to eval it I need the
package's environment. Is there a way to do this? Passing the correct
environment through .C
On 10/23/06, Luke Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
>
> > As far as I can tell from the original post, Deepayan asked for a way
> > to find a package's namespace environment (rather than the package
> > environment, not ), so the subject line is
> >
Announcement:
(For those every-once-in-a-while occasions when you run R from a
terminal instead of Emacs, and then wish something would happen when
you hit TAB...)
Last week, I started looking at the GNU Readline documentation to see
if I could figure out how to use it for command completion with
On 10/23/06, Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 23 October 2006 at 16:51, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> [... nice announcement trimmed ...]
> | There are a couple of things about which I would like some advice:
> |
> | (1) The package currently contains a ve
On 10/24/06, Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Uwe Ligges wrote:
[...]
> >> Questions:
> >>
> >> There are a couple of things about which I would like some advice:
> >>
> >> (1) The package currently contains a very rudimentary configure script
> >> which stops ins
On 10/25/06, Marc Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 20:14 -0400, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
> > Suppose we have a function such as the following
> >
> > F <- function(f, x) f(x)+1
> >
> > which runs function f and then transforms it. I would like the
> > corresponding func
'Freedman' is misspelled (as 'Friedman') in
src/library/graphics/man/hist.Rd. As a result, the help page currently
implies that
breaks = "Fried"
is a valid argument to hist, but results in an error:
> hist(rnorm(100), breaks = "Fried")
Error in match.arg(tolower(breaks), c("sturges", "fd", "free
> x = rnorm(100)
> b = seq(min(x) - 1, max(x) + 1, length = 11)
> b
[1] -3.4038769 -2.7451072 -2.0863375 -1.4275678 -0.7687980 -0.1100283
[7] 0.5487414 1.2075111 1.8662808 2.5250506 3.1838203
>
> invisible(hist(x, breaks = b, include.lowest = TRUE, plot = FALSE))
Warning message:
argument 'i
On 10 Nov 2006 23:39:14 +0100, Peter Dalgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > > x = rnorm(100)
> > > b = seq(min(x) - 1, max(x) + 1, length = 11)
> > > b
> > [1] -3.4038769 -2.7451072 -2.0863375 -1.4275678 -0.7687980 -0.1100283
> > [7] 0.5487414 1.2075111 1.8662808
On 11/13/06, Ben Bolker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In lattice version 0.14-11 (2006/10/23), there appears
> to be a small bug in lrect [lattice]: border is set to NULL
> accidentally.
Yes, this bug was probably introduced while trying to fix PR#9307. But
that was three whole weeks ago. Run upd
On 11/25/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have just committed some changes to R-devel (which will become R 2.5.0
> next spring) to add source references to parsed R code. Here's a
> description of the scheme:
>
> The design is done through 2 old-style classes.
>
> "srcfile" corres
On 11/25/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/25/2006 3:12 PM, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> > On 11/25/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I have just committed some changes to R-devel (which will become R 2.5.0
> >> next sprin
On 11/25/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/25/2006 11:00 PM, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> > On 11/25/06, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On 11/25/2006 3:12 PM, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
> >>> On 11/25/06, Duncan Murdoch <
On 11/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was simply doing a graph, but an error repeatdly occurs. Any idea why?
> (this only happens in the latest R version, I am a windows user).
What version is that exactly? Please give the output of sessionInfo(),
since "the late
Hi,
?interaction says:
See Also:
'factor'; ':' where 'f:g' is the similar to 'interaction(f, g,
sep=":")' when 'f' and 'g' are factors.
This is not quite true (or maybe 'similar' is the operative word), since:
> f <- factor(1:3); g <- factor(letters[1:3])
> levels(f:g)
[1] "1:a" "1:
On 11/30/06, Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Deepayan Sarkar wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > ?interaction says:
> >
> > See Also:
> >
> > 'factor'; ':' where 'f:g' is the similar to
On 12/8/06, Vladimir Dergachev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In 2.4.0 (and SVN) I am seeing xyplot creating empty pages for high page
> counts in layout - contrary to the manual which says high page counts should
> not matter. Everything works fine in 2.3.1.
>
> library("lattice")
> A<-data.frame(
The old apropos started with:
if (!is.character(what))
what <- as.character(substitute(what))
The new one has:
if (character.only)
stopifnot(is.character(what))
else what <- as.character(substitute(what))
i.e., the check for is.character(what) is missing. This has the
On 12/22/06, Martin Maechler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> "DeepS" == Deepayan Sarkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> on Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:07:27 -0800 writes:
>
> DeepS> The old apropos started with: if
> DeepS>
I like kompare very much, but I think it's Linux only.
https://apps.kde.org/kompare/
-Deepayan
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 at 01:01, J C Nash wrote:
> For Linux users, meld is quite nice for side by side editing, though I've
> never tried using it for
> display. Just checking now suggests it isn't obv
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