rgument
... which may be a good idea anyway, alerting the user when changing
default behavior.
> All the best,
> Arni
thank you, the same to you,
Martin
>
> From: Martin Maechler
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:23:31 PM
. Looking forward to the
4.0.0 official release - all positive changes!
All the best,
Arni
From: Martin Maechler
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:23:31 PM
To: Arni Magnusson
Cc: r-devel@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [Rd] stringsAsFactors and type.convert()
>>&g
> Arni Magnusson
> on Mon, 13 Apr 2020 22:20:19 + writes:
> If read.table() is defaulting to "character" instead of "factor" data
type, shouldn't type.convert() also default to "character" in R 4.0.0?
> This would seem like a good time to change the default to
type.conve
While at it, would it be worth mentioning in the NEWS for R 4.0.0 that
options 'stringsAsFactors' is being deprecated, e.g.
$ options(stringsAsFactors = TRUE)
Warning message:
In options(stringsAsFactors = TRUE) :
'options(stringsAsFactors = TRUE)' is deprecated and will be disabled
? Currentl
> Hugh Parsonage
> on Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:20:26 +1000 writes:
> Further, in addition to the `val <- FALSE` patch a few hours ago by
> Martin, the line after should also be changed
> - if(!is.logical(val) || is.na(val) || length(val) != 1L)
> + if(!is.logical(val) || l
In both cases, that is as it should be.
1. expand.grid() (sic) has its main application in factorial designs, for which
you want a set of factors
2. tables are factorial structures by nature. Converting factors to character
would lose level order (true for 1. as well, actually)
- pd
> On 13
Further, in addition to the `val <- FALSE` patch a few hours ago by
Martin, the line after should also be changed
- if(!is.logical(val) || is.na(val) || length(val) != 1L)
+ if(!is.logical(val) || length(val) != 1L || is.na(val))
## Consider
Sys.setenv("_R_CHECK_LENGTH_1_LOGIC2_" = "TRUE")
option
Hello,
I also want to report 2 missed cases of stringsAsFactors=TRUE in base:
1. grid.expand() still uses hard stringsAsFactors=TRUE in its arguments.
2. as.data.frame.table() also keeps factors after conversion from table.
Duncan Murdoch
on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:57:14 -0400 writes:
> T
> Duncan Murdoch
> on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:57:14 -0400 writes:
> The NEWS for R 4.0.0 says "R now uses a stringsAsFactors = FALSE
> default, and hence by default no longer converts strings to factors in
> calls to data.frame() and read.table()."
> This seems to have
ll
>>>>
>>>>> shows up. If f is set to be a factor, an error is generated:
>>>>>
>>>>> Error in model.frame.default(Terms, newdata, na.action = na.action,
>>>>> xlev =
>>>>> object$xlevels) :
>>>&g
l-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf
Of Terry Therneau
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:50 AM
To: r-devel@r-project.org; Duncan Murdoch
Subject: Re: [Rd] stringsAsFactors
I think your idea to remove the warnings is excellent, and a good
compromise.
Charac
t; >
> > > I do think that it's unfortunate that we don't get the same result in both
> > > cases, and I'd like to have gotten the predictions you suggested, but I
> > > don't think that's going to happen. The reason for the difference is tha
CO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
-Original Message-
From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf
Of Terry Therneau
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:50 AM
To: r-devel@r-project.org; Duncan Murdoch
Subject: Re: [Rd] stringsAsFactors
I think your idea to re
ro. In this particular model, we could still do
>> > predictions
>> > for the other levels, but it also seems reasonable to quit, given that
>> > clearly something has gone wrong.
>> >
>> > I do think that it's unfortunate that we don't get the
gt; is unavoidable without really big changes.
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
>
>>
>> Bill Dunlap
>> Spotfire, TIBCO Software
>> wdunlap tibco.com
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org
>> >
fference is that
> the subsetting is done before the conversion to a factor, but I think that
> is unavoidable without really big changes.
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
>
>>
>> Bill Dunlap
>> Spotfire, TIBCO Software
>> wdunlap tibco.com
>>
>> >
Peter,
I had an earlier response to Duncan that I should have copied to the list.
The subset issue can be fixed. When the model changes character to factor, it needs to
remember the levels; just like it does with the factors. We are simply seeing a reprise
of problems that occured whem mode
On Feb 11, 2013, at 18:50 , Duncan Murdoch wrote:
>
> I do think that it's unfortunate that we don't get the same result in both
> cases, and I'd like to have gotten the predictions you suggested, but I don't
> think that's going to happen. The reason for the difference is that the
> subsett
e
> conversion to a factor, but I think that is unavoidable without really big
changes.
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
>>
>> Bill Dunlap
>> Spotfire, TIBCO Software
>> wdunlap tibco.com
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: r-devel-boun..
On 2/11/2013 5:50 AM, Terry Therneau wrote:
I think your idea to remove the warnings is excellent, and a good
compromise. Characters already work fine in modeling functions except
for the silly warning.
It is interesting how often the defaults for a program reflect the data
sets in use at the t
al Message-
> From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf
> Of Terry Therneau
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:50 AM
> To: r-devel@r-project.org; Duncan Murdoch
> Subject: Re: [Rd] stringsAsFactors
>
> I think your idea to remove
really big changes.
Duncan Murdoch
Bill Dunlap
Spotfire, TIBCO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
> -Original Message-
> From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf
> Of Terry Therneau
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:50 AM
> To: r-devel@r
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Bill Dunlap
Spotfire, TIBCO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
> -Original Message-
> From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Terry Therneau
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:50 AM
> To: r-devel@r-project.or
I think your idea to remove the warnings is excellent, and a good compromise. Characters
already work fine in modeling functions except for the silly warning.
It is interesting how often the defaults for a program reflect the data sets in use at the
time the defaults were chosen. There are so
On 20/05/2009, at 1:49 AM, Martin Maechler wrote:
"RT" == Rolf Turner
on Tue, 19 May 2009 11:02:08 +1200 writes:
RT> While we're at it --- would it not make sense to have the
RT> stringsAsFactors
RT> argument (once it's working) of expand.grid() default to
option
> "RT" == Rolf Turner
> on Tue, 19 May 2009 11:02:08 +1200 writes:
RT> On 19/05/2009, at 10:20 AM, Steve Lianoglou wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've (tried) to look through the bug tracker, and gmane-search the
>> R list to
>> see if this has been mentioned befo
> "WD" == William Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> on Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:06:49 -0800 writes:
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> hadley wickham Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:10 AM
>> To: r-devel@r-project.org Subject: [Rd] stringsAsF
William Dunlap wrote:
but I'm not sure why they are being converted to factors in
the first place.
I think expand.grid converts input strings to factors so they
retain the order they have in the input.
Yep. These things do matter. Incidentally, I recently got burned by
cooking an example u
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, hadley wickham wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I love the option to not automatically convert strings into factors,
>> but there are three places that the current option doesn't work where
>> I think it s
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM, William Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hadley wickham
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:10 AM
>> To: r-devel@r-project.org
>> Subject: [Rd] stringsAsFactors = FALSE
>> ...
>> The key lines i
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, hadley wickham wrote:
Hi all,
I love the option to not automatically convert strings into factors,
but there are three places that the current option doesn't work where
I think it should:
Perhaps you mean 'when I would like
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hadley wickham
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:10 AM
> To: r-devel@r-project.org
> Subject: [Rd] stringsAsFactors = FALSE
> ...
> The key lines in
> expand.grid would seem to be
>
> if (!is.factor(x) && is.charact
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, hadley wickham wrote:
Hi all,
I love the option to not automatically convert strings into factors,
but there are three places that the current option doesn't work where
I think it should:
Perhaps you mean 'when I would like it to'? Things *should* work as
documented, s
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