h 08, 2012 2:23 PM
> > To: William Dunlap
> > Cc: R-devel
> > Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
> >
> > I don't think that using in-place modification as a general property would
> > make
> > sense.
> >
> > In-place modification brings in side-effe
of
easily reusable functions that S allows.
Bill Dunlap
Spotfire, TIBCO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
> -Original Message-
> From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:23 PM
> To: William Dunlap
> Cc: R-devel
> Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
. My point was that a function, say
> > > > cos(), can act like it does call-by-value but conserve memory when
> > > > it can if it can distinguish between the case
> > > > cx <- cos(x=runif(n)) # no allocation needed, use the input
> > > > space for th
functions (hence packages) difficult.
Bill Dunlap
Spotfire, TIBCO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
> -Original Message-
> From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:40 AM
> To: William Dunlap
> Cc: R-devel
> Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
>
needs to know if a memory block is referred to by a name in
> > any environment
> > in order to do that.
> >
> > Bill Dunlap
> > Spotfire, TIBCO Software
> > wdunlap tibco.com
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: oliver [
lin.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:22 AM
> > To: Dominick Samperi
> > Cc: William Dunlap; R-devel
> > Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 12:49:32PM -0500, Dominick Samperi wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM,
do that.
Bill Dunlap
Spotfire, TIBCO Software
wdunlap tibco.com
> -Original Message-
> From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:22 AM
> To: Dominick Samperi
> Cc: William Dunlap; R-devel
> Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
>
> On
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 12:49:32PM -0500, Dominick Samperi wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM, William Dunlap wrote:
> > S (and its derivatives and successors) promises that functions
> > will not change their arguments, so in an expression like
> > val <- func(arg)
> > you know that arg w
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 10:31:14AM -0500, Dominick Samperi wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:56 AM, oliver wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:54:05PM -0800, Nicholas Crookston wrote:
> >> There are many experts on this topic. I'll keep this short.
> >>
> >> Newer Fortran Languages allow for ca
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:56 AM, oliver wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:54:05PM -0800, Nicholas Crookston wrote:
>> There are many experts on this topic. I'll keep this short.
>>
>> Newer Fortran Languages allow for call by value, but call by reference
>> is the typical and historically, the o
There are many experts on this topic. I'll keep this short.
Newer Fortran Languages allow for call by value, but call by reference
is the typical and historically, the only approach (there was a time
when you could change the value of 1 to 2!).
C "only" calls by value except that the value can b
unlap
> Spotfire, TIBCO Software
> wdunlap tibco.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:12 AM
>> To: William Dunlap
>> Cc: Hervé Pagès; R-devel
>> Subject: Re: [Rd] Ju
; -Original Message-
> From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:12 AM
> To: William Dunlap
> Cc: Hervé Pagès; R-devel
> Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
>
> On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 12:35:32AM +, William Dunlap wrote:
> [...]
>
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 12:35:32AM +, William Dunlap wrote:
[...]
> I find R's (& S+'s & S's) copy-on-write-if-not-copying-would-be-discoverable-
> by-the-uer machanism for giving the allusion of pass-by-value a good way
> to structure the contract between the function writer and the function u
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:33:10PM -0500, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
> On 12-03-05 6:58 PM, Hervé Pagès wrote:
> >Hi Oliver,
> >
> >On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote:
> >>On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote:
> >>>I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading
> >>>of t
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:54:05PM -0800, Nicholas Crookston wrote:
> There are many experts on this topic. I'll keep this short.
>
> Newer Fortran Languages allow for call by value, but call by reference
> is the typical and historically, the only approach (there was a time
> when you could chan
rom: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On
> Behalf Of Hervé Pagès
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: oliver
> Cc: R-devel
> Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar
On 12-03-05 6:58 PM, Hervé Pagès wrote:
Hi Oliver,
On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote:
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote:
I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading
of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are
passed by reference and not by value
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:58:59PM -0800, Hervé Pagès wrote:
> Hi Oliver,
>
> On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote:
> >>I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading
> >>of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are
>
Hi Oliver,
On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote:
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote:
I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading
of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are
passed by reference and not by value, so functions
can change their arguments
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote:
> I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading
> of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are
> passed by reference and not by value, so functions
> can change their arguments. My recollection from when
> I first starte
g [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On
> Behalf Of oliver
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:14 PM
> To: Douglas Bates
> Cc: R-devel
> Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia
>
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 11:06:51AM -0600, Douglas Bates wrote:
> > My purpose in mentioning the Julia langu
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 11:06:51AM -0600, Douglas Bates wrote:
> My purpose in mentioning the Julia language (julialang.org) here is
> not to start a flame war. I find it to be a very interesting
> development and others who read this list may want to read about it
> too.
[...]
Very interesting
http://julialang.org/blog
Then click on "Stanford Talk Video".
Then click on "available here".
Ted.
On 01-Mar-2012 Kjetil Halvorsen wrote:
> Can somebody postb a link to the video? I cant find it, searching
> "Julia" on youtube stanford channel gives nothing.
>
> Kjetil
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012
Can somebody postb a link to the video? I cant find it, searching
"Julia" on youtube stanford channel gives nothing.
Kjetil
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Douglas Bates wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Jeffrey Ryan
> wrote:
>> Doug,
>>
>> Agreed on the interesting point - looks like
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Agreed on the interesting point - looks like it has some real promise.
> I think the spike in interest could be attributable to Mike
> Loukides's tweet on Feb 20. (editor at O'Reilly)
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/mikeloukides/status/1
Doug,
Agreed on the interesting point - looks like it has some real promise.
I think the spike in interest could be attributable to Mike
Loukides's tweet on Feb 20. (editor at O'Reilly)
https://twitter.com/#!/mikeloukides/status/171773229407551488
That is exactly the moment I stumbled upon it.
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