Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-14 Thread Simon Blomberg
As a biologist, I have been following this thread with interest. I don't understand how someone can truly peer-review any software without access to the source. Surely R is the only major environment for statistical programming that _can_ be peer-reviewed in that sense. (The BUGS project is hea

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-14 Thread Ted Harding
On 14-Jun-05 A.J. Rossini wrote: > Fritz - > > That's silly. As someone pointed out, the issue is with the > publisher, not the citation. If R-Core were a generally well-known > and regarded publishing house such as Springer or Microsoft, it would > not be a problem. But it's still a nebulous

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-14 Thread Gordon Smyth
At 05:22 PM 14/06/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:42:59 +1000 (EST), > > Gordon K Smyth (GKS) wrote: > > > On Tue, June 14, 2005 12:49 am, Thomas Lumley said: > >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Gordon K Smyth wrote: > >> > >>> This is just a note that R would get a

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-14 Thread A.J. Rossini
On 6/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:42:59 +1000 (EST), > > Gordon K Smyth (GKS) wrote: > > > On Tue, June 14, 2005 12:49 am, Thomas Lumley said: > >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Gordon K Smyth wrote: > >> > >>> This is just a note that R would g

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-14 Thread Friedrich . Leisch
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:42:59 +1000 (EST), > Gordon K Smyth (GKS) wrote: > On Tue, June 14, 2005 12:49 am, Thomas Lumley said: >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Gordon K Smyth wrote: >> >>> This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if the >>> recommended citation was an a

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-14 Thread Friedrich . Leisch
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:38:38 +1000, > Gordon Smyth (GS) wrote: >> Note also that R does have a User Guide, i.e., while there is plenty of >> excellent documentation, >> there is no single document which is a guide to the whole project. > Oops, I meant to write "R does not have

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Uwe Ligges
Gordon Smyth wrote: >>Note also that R does have a User Guide, i.e., while there is plenty of >>excellent documentation, >>there is no single document which is a guide to the whole project. > > > Oops, I meant to write "R does not have a User Guide". > > Just to explain this further, the citat

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Achim Zeileis
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:38:38 +1000 Gordon Smyth wrote: > >Note also that R does have a User Guide, i.e., while there is plenty > >of excellent documentation, > >there is no single document which is a guide to the whole project. > > Oops, I meant to write "R does not have a User Guide". > > Just

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Gordon Smyth
>Note also that R does have a User Guide, i.e., while there is plenty of >excellent documentation, >there is no single document which is a guide to the whole project. Oops, I meant to write "R does not have a User Guide". Just to explain this further, the citation() function asks me to cite a

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Gordon K Smyth
On Tue, June 14, 2005 12:49 am, Thomas Lumley said: > On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Gordon K Smyth wrote: > >> This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if the >> recommended citation was an article in a recognised journal or from a >> recognised publisher. >> > > This is unfortunately true,

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Gordon K Smyth
On Tue, June 14, 2005 1:30 am, Ted Harding said: > Is a journal reference necessary? I have seen many articles where > the statistical software (S-Plus, SPSS, SAS, etc.) was "cited" as > the User Manual, usually only available from the supplier of the > software, sometimes with a WWW URL. Such case

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Ted Harding
On 13-Jun-05 Thomas Lumley wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Gordon K Smyth wrote: > >> This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if the >> recommended citation was an article in a recognised journal or from a >> recognised publisher. >> > > This is unfortunately true, but R is *not

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Thomas Lumley
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Gordon K Smyth wrote: > This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if the > recommended citation was an article in a recognised journal or from a > recognised publisher. > This is unfortunately true, but R is *not* an article or a book, it is a piece of soft

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-13 Thread Roger D. Peng
It's not clear to me why a journal publication is necessary (although I guess it couldn't hurt). What do you cite when you use SAS? Or Stata? -roger Gordon K Smyth wrote: > This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if > the recommended citation was an article in a recognised > j

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-12 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gordon K Smyth wrote: >This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if the recommended >citation was an >article in a recognised journal or from a recognised publisher. > >I use R in work leading to publications often, and I strongly want to give the >R core team credit >for their

Re: [Rd] Citation for R

2005-06-12 Thread Jan de Leeuw
There is one easy way to do this. Make R-core the guest editor of a special issue of JSS and use that special issue to publish the manuals (which again have R-core as author). On Jun 12, 2005, at 17:37 , Gordon K Smyth wrote: > This is just a note that R would get a lot more citations if the