Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-15 Thread Therneau, Terry M., Ph.D. via R-devel
Peter, we are arguing at cross purposes.  My point was that if I have specified options(stringsAsFactors=FALSE) that is a statement to R to NOT DO THIS.   Your argument in return is that "yes, Therneau said that, but in this case he almost certainly doesn't really mean it, so ignore him".  Now

Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-15 Thread peter dalgaard
My point was that, in a table, the row and columns usually have a well-defined order. If you convert the table to data frame form, typically in order to fit a Poisson GLM, you do want to preserve that order, and not have the levels converted to a locale-dependent alphabetical order in your analy

Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-15 Thread Therneau, Terry M., Ph.D. via R-devel
I have to disagree with both Peter and Martin on this. The underneath issue is that the automatic conversion of characters to factors by the data.frame functions was the single most egregious design blunder in the Statistical Models in S book, and we are still living with it.  The stringsAsFac

Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-15 Thread Mychaleckyj, Josyf C (jcm6t)
Peter, Thanks for the response. I have no wish to prolong this and have no axe to grind. I’m sure you were delighted to see another stringsAsFactors issue. Perhaps we talking about the conflation of two steps: the first is the language ‘pure' conversion of the table to a data.frame with the cros

Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-14 Thread Abs Spurdle
Martin Maechler Wrote: and we should've tried harder to keep things purely functional (R remaining as closely as possible a "functional language") This is diverging from the original post. However, isn't R a multiparadigm programming language (by design)? [[alternative HTML version delete

Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-14 Thread Martin Maechler
> peter dalgaard > on Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:18:55 +0100 writes: > I have no recollection of the original rationale for as.data.frame.table, but I actually think it is fine as it is: > The classifying _factors_ of a crosstable should be factors unless very specifically directe

Re: [Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-14 Thread peter dalgaard
I have no recollection of the original rationale for as.data.frame.table, but I actually think it is fine as it is: The classifying _factors_ of a crosstable should be factors unless very specifically directed otherwise and that should not depend on the setting of an option that controls the c

[Rd] as.data.frame.table() does not recognize default.stringsAsFactors()

2019-03-14 Thread Mychaleckyj, Josyf C (jcm6t)
Reporting a possible inconsistency or bug in handling stringsAsFactors in as.data.frame.table() Here is a simple test > options()$stringsAsFactors [1] TRUE > x<-c("a","b","c","a","b") > d<-as.data.frame(table(x)) > d x Freq 1 a2 2 b2 3 c1 > class(d$x) [1] "factor" > d2<-as.data.fra