Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-06 Thread S Ellison
> My understanding is that rationality is not the case in > Europe - see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_Directive. I know we don't always see England as part of Europe, but 'ouch' anyway... This is not copyright law. It is protection of databases, and that is a different set of le

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-05 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/5/2012 6:08 AM, Hadley Wickham wrote: And you need not look so far afield for that particular lack of rationality. In the US, databases are covered by the Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act of 2003 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/108/hr3261) which says alm

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-05 Thread Hadley Wickham
> > And you need not look so far afield for that particular lack of rationality. > In the US, databases are covered by the Database and Collections of > Information Misappropriation Act of 2003 > (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/108/hr3261) which says almost exactly > the same thing; that

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/3/2012 3:55 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: ;-) Let's check where factual ends and fictional/personal/etc starts and how easy to tell. Are survey data asking for answers to specifically crafted original questions (i.e. not just age/race

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > ;-)  Let's check where factual ends and fictional/personal/etc starts > and how easy to tell. > > Are survey data asking for answers to specifically crafted original > questions (i.e. not just age/race/etc) factual? e.g. > > \title{The Ch

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
;-) Let's check where factual ends and fictional/personal/etc starts and how easy to tell. Are survey data asking for answers to specifically crafted original questions (i.e. not just age/race/etc) factual? e.g. \title{The Chatterjee--Price Attitude Data} \description{ From a survey of the cle

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
> I somewhat agree with Spencer -- as I have mentioned, the recent precedence > with tz database shows that such claims would not be taken as ungrounded right > away and things could easily go all the way to court -- and that might be a > really costly endeavor regardless who is right or wrong.  Pr

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
> I would expect such rationality (factual data not being copyrightable) in > the US, Canada, Europe and Australasia, so they're not likely an issue.  And > I doubt any such country would try to impose their laws on someone living > and working elsewhere.  In many parts of Asia, where I have lived

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
I somewhat agree with Spencer -- as I have mentioned, the recent precedence with tz database shows that such claims would not be taken as ungrounded right away and things could easily go all the way to court -- and that might be a really costly endeavor regardless who is right or wrong. Proving th

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Ted Byers
> -Original Message- > From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] > On Behalf Of Hadley Wickham > Sent: April-03-12 5:01 PM > To: r-devel@r-project.org; pystatsmod...@googlegroups.com; Dirk > Eddelbuettel > Subject: Re: [Rd] R dataset

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/3/2012 2:00 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: 2. we considered all datasets factual data thus not copyrightable (in USA? around the globe?) This is definitely true in the US, but not true globally. I have no idea under which jurisdiction a lawsuit would apply. I'd be careful with the w

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/3/2012 2:00 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: 2. we considered all datasets factual data thus not copyrightable (in USA? around the globe?) This is definitely true in the US, but not true globally. I have no idea under which jurisdiction a lawsuit would apply. I'd be careful with the w

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
> 2. we considered all datasets factual data thus not copyrightable (in >   USA? around the globe?) This is definitely true in the US, but not true globally. I have no idea under which jurisdiction a lawsuit would apply. Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department o

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Claudia Beleites
Yaroslav, coming from an experimental field, I use options 4 and 4a: 4. I measure the data myself, so I am the copyright holder. 4a. I publish data sets that are given to me in order to publish by the person(s) who did the measurement. This is properly annotated in the authors field. So far, the

[Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear R Developers, Recently filed (and dismissed ;) ) law suit by Astrolabe against tz database developers caused a lot of media-press and discussions and created some kind of precedence in the USA [3]. But also it imho showed that similar attacks might happen in the future, and possibly against