Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/3/2012 3:55 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: ;-) Let's check where factual ends and fictional/personal/etc starts and how easy to tell. Are survey data asking for answers to specifically crafted original questions (i.e. not just age/race

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > ;-)  Let's check where factual ends and fictional/personal/etc starts > and how easy to tell. > > Are survey data asking for answers to specifically crafted original > questions (i.e. not just age/race/etc) factual? e.g. > > \title{The Ch

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
;-) Let's check where factual ends and fictional/personal/etc starts and how easy to tell. Are survey data asking for answers to specifically crafted original questions (i.e. not just age/race/etc) factual? e.g. \title{The Chatterjee--Price Attitude Data} \description{ From a survey of the cle

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
> I somewhat agree with Spencer -- as I have mentioned, the recent precedence > with tz database shows that such claims would not be taken as ungrounded right > away and things could easily go all the way to court -- and that might be a > really costly endeavor regardless who is right or wrong.  Pr

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
> I would expect such rationality (factual data not being copyrightable) in > the US, Canada, Europe and Australasia, so they're not likely an issue.  And > I doubt any such country would try to impose their laws on someone living > and working elsewhere.  In many parts of Asia, where I have lived

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
I somewhat agree with Spencer -- as I have mentioned, the recent precedence with tz database shows that such claims would not be taken as ungrounded right away and things could easily go all the way to court -- and that might be a really costly endeavor regardless who is right or wrong. Proving th

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Ted Byers
> -Original Message- > From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] > On Behalf Of Hadley Wickham > Sent: April-03-12 5:01 PM > To: r-devel@r-project.org; pystatsmod...@googlegroups.com; Dirk > Eddelbuettel > Subject: Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) an

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/3/2012 2:00 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: 2. we considered all datasets factual data thus not copyrightable (in USA? around the globe?) This is definitely true in the US, but not true globally. I have no idea under which jurisdiction a lawsuit would apply. I'd be careful with the w

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Spencer Graves
On 4/3/2012 2:00 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: 2. we considered all datasets factual data thus not copyrightable (in USA? around the globe?) This is definitely true in the US, but not true globally. I have no idea under which jurisdiction a lawsuit would apply. I'd be careful with the w

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Hadley Wickham
> 2. we considered all datasets factual data thus not copyrightable (in >   USA? around the globe?) This is definitely true in the US, but not true globally. I have no idea under which jurisdiction a lawsuit would apply. Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department o

Re: [Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Claudia Beleites
Yaroslav, coming from an experimental field, I use options 4 and 4a: 4. I measure the data myself, so I am the copyright holder. 4a. I publish data sets that are given to me in order to publish by the person(s) who did the measurement. This is properly annotated in the authors field. So far, the

[Rd] R datasets ownership(copyright) and license

2012-04-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear R Developers, Recently filed (and dismissed ;) ) law suit by Astrolabe against tz database developers caused a lot of media-press and discussions and created some kind of precedence in the USA [3]. But also it imho showed that similar attacks might happen in the future, and possibly against