[Rd] fortune? (was: Re: How do you make a formal "feature" request?)

2010-08-21 Thread Liviu Andronic
Dear all I was wondering whether such a long post could be fortune-ed. What do you think? Regards Liviu On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Sharpie wrote: > Well, I can think of three ways it can go down: > > > 1.  You want a shiny new pony. > > You ask about it on the mailing list and it seems th

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Ted Harding
I've stayed in by back seat in the spectators so far, but I feel a comment may be helpful here. I'm in close sympathy with Hadley Wickham's comment on a "previous suggestion by a regular contributor" [Spencer Graves] (below) and with the comment by Spencer himself. We are a community with a varie

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Spencer Graves
I've answered many email posts by copying and editing the email footer. That's much more friendly, informative and effective than just RTFM. (As previously noted in this thread, it's often hard to know which FMTR.) Spencer On 8/21/2010 6:08 PM, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: On Sat, Aug 21,

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote: >> Regarding length, the portion at the end of every r-help message (but >> this does not appear at the end of r-devel messages or the messages >> of other lists concerning R): >> >>   "provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Hadley Wickham
> Regarding length, the portion at the end of every r-help message (but > this does not appear at the end of r-devel messages or the messages > of other lists concerning R): > >   "provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code." > > It was intended to provide a one line synopsis of

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Hadley Wickham wrote: >>> previous suggestion by a regular contributor.  I still think a better >>> response is not to escalate:  Either ignore the post or say something like, >>> "I don't understand your que

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 11:41 -0400, Donald Winston wrote: > Who decides what features are in R and how they are implemented? If > there is someone here who has that authority I have this request: The R Core Development Team decide on what goes into the base R source code. You have almost zero cha

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Ben Bolker
Paul Johnson gmail.com> writes: > [snip: lots more snippage to try get gmane to let me post] > What do you think of this: The priority is to put the most important > thing at the top. The second priority is brevity. I really like this. Some suggestions: = > Posti

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Hadley Wickham wrote: >> previous suggestion by a regular contributor.  I still think a better >> response is not to escalate:  Either ignore the post or say something like, >> "I don't understand your question.  Please provide a self-contained minimal >> example

Re: [Rd] R-devel Digest, Vol 90, Issue 20

2010-08-21 Thread Simon Urbanek
On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Laurent wrote: > On 21/08/10 12:00, r-devel-requ...@r-project.org wrote: >> >> On Aug 20, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Matt Shotwell wrote: >> >>> > On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:58 -0400, Sharpie wrote: >> >> Donald Paul Winston wrote: > (...) >> >> Donald P

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread James Bullard
I use the summary function. Being unfamiliar with the SAS report function, it is difficult to answer more completely. jim On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Donald Winston wrote: > Who decides what features are in R and how they are implemented? If there is > someone here who has that authority I ha

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Sharpie
Donald Paul Winston wrote: > > Who decides what features are in R and how they are implemented? If there > is someone here who has that authority I have this request: > > A report() function analogous to the plot() function that makes it easy to > generate a report from a table of data. This s

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Donald Winston wrote: > Who decides what features are in R and how they are implemented? If there is > someone here who has that authority I have this request: > > A report() function analogous to the plot() function that makes it easy to > generate a report from

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Hadley Wickham
> previous suggestion by a regular contributor.  I still think a better > response is not to escalate:  Either ignore the post or say something like, > "I don't understand your question.  Please provide a self-contained minimal > example as suggested in the Posting Guide ... ." I agree wholehearte

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Hadley Wickham
> A report() function analogous to the plot() function that makes it easy to > generate a report from a table of data. This should not be in some auxiliary > package, but part of the core R just like plot(). As a long time SAS user I > cannot believe R does not have this. Please don't give me an

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
On 21 August 2010 at 11:41, Donald Winston wrote: | Who decides what features are in R and how they are implemented? If there is someone here who has that authority I have this request: | | A report() function analogous to the plot() function that makes it easy to | generate a report from a tab

Re: [Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Jeff Ryan
The *user* decides. That would be YOU. Unlike SAS no one has a responsibility to YOU to implement some random request. Packages are how things are implemented. And to continue a previous thread ... maybe you should RTFM. Jeff On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Donald Winston wrote: > Who deci

[Rd] How do you make a formal "feature" request?

2010-08-21 Thread Donald Winston
Who decides what features are in R and how they are implemented? If there is someone here who has that authority I have this request: A report() function analogous to the plot() function that makes it easy to generate a report from a table of data. This should not be in some auxiliary package,

[Rd] Speed improvement to evalList

2010-08-21 Thread Radford Neal
I've been inspired to look at the R source code by some strange timing results that I wrote about on my blog at radfordneal.wordpress.com (see the posts on "Speeding up parentheses..." and "Two surprising things...". I discovered that the strange speed advantage of curly brackets over parentheses

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Ted Byers
I am reminded of a cartoon I saw recently in a urologists office that said: "In this line of work, I see a lot of ass holes and pricks." There is no shortage of people who are nasty, both among those who seek help and those who are able to give it, in any community. I would say, though, that inst

Re: [Rd] R-devel Digest, Vol 90, Issue 20

2010-08-21 Thread Laurent
On 21/08/10 12:00, r-devel-requ...@r-project.org wrote: On Aug 20, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Matt Shotwell wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:58 -0400, Sharpie wrote: >> >> Donald Paul Winston wrote: (...) >> >> Donald Paul Winston wrote: >>> >>> It appears R insists on directing plot output to

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Carlos J. Gil Bellosta
Hello, RTFM is a succinct and useful answer in many cases, yet somewhat impolite. A not much more verbose verbose version of it, possibly still more useful, and quite polite would be something like: "Please, read rule #NN at http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html"; (asuming that paragra

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Spencer Graves
Hello, All: I think there is a logic to Gabor's perspective, especially regarding unintended consequences. For example, if the as a result of changing policy, our most creative and substantive contributors decide to reduce their level of contribution and are not effectively re

Re: [Rd] C or Java code generation

2010-08-21 Thread Vyacheslav Karamov
Simon Urbanek пишет: On Aug 20, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Vyacheslav Karamov wrote: x.ru>>> Hi All! I'm new to R and I need to know is it possible for R to generate C/C++ source code, Java byte code or

Re: [Rd] No RTFM?

2010-08-21 Thread Simone Giannerini
Dear Gabor, I do not agree with your claim "In the case of the R list there is a larger potential demand for free help than resources to answer and without the usual monetary economics to allocate resources I believe that the functional purpose of rudeness here is to ration those resources and mi