John Snow writes:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:26 PM Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
>> > In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
>> > there are a couple new feature in Python 3.7 that are quite nice (for
>> > example im
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:26 PM Kevin Wolf wrote:
>
> Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> > In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
> > there are a couple new feature in Python 3.7 that are quite nice (for
> > example improved data classes[1] or c
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 03:03:54PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:49 PM Daniel P. Berrangé
> wrote:
> > [quote]
> > The motivation for this series is that Python 3.6 was EOL at the end of
> > 2021; upstream tools are beginning to drop support for it, including
> > setupt
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 02:46:18AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:52:44PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> Il mar 14 feb 2023, 18:26 Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
> >>
> >> > Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> >> > > I
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 02:08:33AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
> > Our support policy is written from the POV of the C world, and
> > merely reducing the length of time we support a distro does not
> > address the different world view of Python.
> >
> > Should we i
Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 08:40:20AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
>> > of a desire to be able to use some shiny new python
>> > features without caring about
Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:52:44PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Il mar 14 feb 2023, 18:26 Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>>
>> > Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
>> > > In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
>> > > there
Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:35:44AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 14/02/2023 08.40, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> > Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
>> > > of a desire to be able to use s
Kevin Wolf writes:
> Am 14.02.2023 um 08:40 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
>> I read this on Friday, and decided to let it sit until after the
>> weekend. Well, it's now Tuesday, and to be frank, it's still as
>> offensively flippant as it was on Friday. It shows either ignorance of
>> or c
On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 07:27:41PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 2/10/23 18:15, Peter Maydell wrote:
> There are four possibilities:
>
> * we change the support policy and stop supporting CentOS 8 and SLE 15, not
> a good idea since a lot of people have not migrated to CentOS 9 yet.
>
> * we k
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:52:44PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il mar 14 feb 2023, 18:26 Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>
> > Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> > > In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
> > > there are a couple new feature in Python
Am 14.02.2023 um 21:52 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> Il mar 14 feb 2023, 18:26 Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>
> > Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> > > In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
> > > there are a couple new feature in Python 3.7 that
Il mar 14 feb 2023, 18:26 Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
> Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> > In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
> > there are a couple new feature in Python 3.7 that are quite nice (for
> > example improved data classes[1] or cont
Am 14.02.2023 um 15:03 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> In the case of Python the issue is not the interpreter per se, though
> there are a couple new feature in Python 3.7 that are quite nice (for
> example improved data classes[1] or context variables[2]). The main
> problem as far as I understoo
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 03:03:54PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:49 PM Daniel P. Berrangé
> wrote:
> > [quote]
> > The motivation for this series is that Python 3.6 was EOL at the end of
> > 2021; upstream tools are beginning to drop support for it, including
> > setupt
Thomas Huth writes:
> On 14/02/2023 08.40, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
>> [...]
>>
>>> We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
>>> of a desire to be able to use some shiny new python
>>> features without caring about back compat.
>> I read this on F
Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
[...]
> We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
> of a desire to be able to use some shiny new python
> features without caring about back compat.
I read this on Friday, and decided to let it sit until after the
weekend. Well, it's now Tuesday, and t
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 at 07:40, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> I read this on Friday, and decided to let it sit until after the
> weekend. Well, it's now Tuesday, and to be frank, it's still as
> offensively flippant as it was on Friday. It shows either ignorance of
> or cavalier disregard for the she
Am 14.02.2023 um 08:40 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> I read this on Friday, and decided to let it sit until after the
> weekend. Well, it's now Tuesday, and to be frank, it's still as
> offensively flippant as it was on Friday. It shows either ignorance of
> or cavalier disregard for the s
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:49 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> [quote]
> The motivation for this series is that Python 3.6 was EOL at the end of
> 2021; upstream tools are beginning to drop support for it, including
> setuptools, pylint, mypy, etc. As time goes by, it becomes more
> difficult to sup
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:35:44AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote:
> On 14/02/2023 08.40, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> > Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
> > > of a desire to be able to use some shiny new python
> > > features wi
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 08:40:20AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
> > of a desire to be able to use some shiny new python
> > features without caring about back compat.
>
> I read this on Frid
On 14/02/2023 08.40, Markus Armbruster wrote:
Daniel P. Berrangé writes:
[...]
We don't have to drop python 3.6. It is a choice because
of a desire to be able to use some shiny new python
features without caring about back compat.
I read this on Friday, and decided to let it sit until after
Il ven 10 feb 2023, 19:09 Peter Maydell ha
scritto:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 17:55, John Snow wrote:
> > (The problem with just allowing sphinx to be a black box and
> > continuing to happily use the 3.6-based versions is that we are
> > using QAPIDoc extensions from our own codebase, which woul
On 2/10/23 18:15, Peter Maydell wrote:
Right. All of these things together seem to say:
* Python is not an unreasonable thing for the project
to depend on
* CentOS 8 is not an unreasonable distro for us to
want to continue to support
* Therefore we should continue to work with the P
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 17:55, John Snow wrote:
> (The problem with just allowing sphinx to be a black box and
> continuing to happily use the 3.6-based versions is that we are
> using QAPIDoc extensions from our own codebase, which would lock
> those to 3.6. A big motivator for Markus is dropping
On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 11:32 AM Peter Maydell
wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 16:01, John Snow wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 5:41 AM Peter Maydell
> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 00:31, John Snow wrote:
> >> This confuses me. We work fine with Python 3.6 today.
> >
> >
> > That won't la
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 16:52, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 04:32:19PM +, Peter Maydell wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 16:01, John Snow wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 5:41 AM Peter Maydell
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 00:31, John Snow wrote:
> >
On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 04:32:19PM +, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 16:01, John Snow wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 5:41 AM Peter Maydell
> > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 00:31, John Snow wrote:
> >> This confuses me. We work fine with Python 3.6 today.
> >
> >
> > T
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 16:01, John Snow wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 5:41 AM Peter Maydell wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 00:31, John Snow wrote:
>> This confuses me. We work fine with Python 3.6 today.
>
>
> That won't last - Many tools such as mypy, pylint and flake8 which I use to
> mana
On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 5:41 AM Peter Maydell
wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 00:31, John Snow wrote:
> >
> > CentOS 8 does not ship with a sphinx new enough for our purposes (It
> > necessarily uses Python 3.6), so drop this from this build. We can
> > resume building docs on CentOS 9 if we wish,
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 00:31, John Snow wrote:
>
> CentOS 8 does not ship with a sphinx new enough for our purposes (It
> necessarily uses Python 3.6), so drop this from this build. We can
> resume building docs on CentOS 9 if we wish, but we also currently test
> and build docs on Fedora, Ubuntu,
On 10/2/23 01:31, John Snow wrote:
CentOS 8 does not ship with a sphinx new enough for our purposes (It
necessarily uses Python 3.6), so drop this from this build. We can
resume building docs on CentOS 9 if we wish, but we also currently test
and build docs on Fedora, Ubuntu, Alpine and Debian.
CentOS 8 does not ship with a sphinx new enough for our purposes (It
necessarily uses Python 3.6), so drop this from this build. We can
resume building docs on CentOS 9 if we wish, but we also currently test
and build docs on Fedora, Ubuntu, Alpine and Debian.
Signed-off-by: John Snow
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