Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> The following list comprehension and generator expression are almost, but
> not quite, the same:
>
> [expr for x in iterable]
>
> list(expr for x in iterable)
>
>
> The difference is in the handling of StopIteration raised inside the
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:17:13 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote:
> BOY I LOVE TROGGING!
Yes, we've noticed.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trogging
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Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> > You should be able to use two semicolons, that's equivalent to one
>> > colon right?
>>
The same thing applies to non-modules too. If you define a function inside
the body of a class, it is stored in the class __dict__, but if you store
it in the instance __dict__, it never gets converted to a method.
You can read up on descriptors here:
https://docs.python.org/3/howto/descriptor.html
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And the award for the most gratuitous comments before an import goes to
one of my (former) workmates, who wrote this piece of code:
# Used for base64-decoding.
import base64
# Used for ungzipping.
import gzip
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StopIteration itself, but not StopIteration
instances:
py> marshal.dumps(StopIteration)
'S'
py> marshal.dumps(StopIteration())
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
ValueError: unmarshallable object
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nput('Enter an integer : '))
(don't forget to indent it correctly).
There may be other problems, please fix these first and if you have any
other problems copy and paste the FULL error, everything from the line
starting
Traceback
to the end of the error message.
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> Can someone suggest a good python IDE.
Yes. Use a UNIX or Linux system:
http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/
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meaningful name can be
self-documenting and so reduces the need for comments.
(By the way, whatever tool you are using to post comments is badly breaking
attributions. It is polite to give the person's full name when quoting
them, when they provide one, if not give their full email address.
Tr
e, were a bit heavy handed and more distracting
than ironic.
Nevertheless, a masterful job. You made me laugh.
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As an English
speaker. I have to remind myself that not every grapheme is a single code
point, but Devanagari or Navajo writers will never make that mistake.
> We shouldn't call strings Unicode any more than we call numbers IEEE or
> times ISO.
We certainly shouldn't call numbers IEEE, but we might very well call them
IEEE-754. Actually, since IEEE-754 covers multiple formats, we have to be
more specific:
Python floats are IEEE-754 double-precision binary floats.
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from ast import literal_eval
py> literal_eval('[None, 23, "hello", {0.5: "x"}]')
[None, 23, 'hello', {0.5: 'x'}]
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Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> (E.g. there are millions of existing files across the world containing
>> text which use legacy encodings that are not compatible with Unicode.)
>
> Not compatible with Unicode
ling with.
Are you equally disturbed when people distinguish between tablespoon,
teaspoon, dessert spoon and serving spoon?
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hon 3.3).
py> L = []
py> t = (L, None)
py> L.append(L)
py> L.append(t) # For good measure.
py> print(t)
([[...], (...)], None)
but yes, in old versions of Python printing self-recursive containers may
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ok/here', 'and/here']
import something
without affecting any other modules.
> And after all that, it would still fail if you happened to want to
> import both "calendar" modules into the same module.
__path__ = []
import calendar
__path__ = ['my/python/modules']
import calendar as mycalendar
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Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano :
>
>> In Python, we have Unicode strings and byte strings.
>
> No, you don't. You have strings and bytes:
Python has strings of Unicode code points, a.k.a. "Unicode strings",
or "text strings", and string
Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2014-11-22 23:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> > And after all that, it would still fail if you happened to want to
>> > import both "calendar" modules into the same module.
>>
>> __path__ = []
>> import calendar
>
Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 11/21/2014 08:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I tried on at least one python version and printing the tuple
>>> crashed with a recursion depth error, since it had no special protectio
[email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014, at 23:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> I really don't understand what bothers you about this. In Python, we have
>> Unicode strings and byte strings. In computing in general, strings can
>> consist of Unicode cha
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Ian Kelly wrote:
>>
>> - It's hard to keep track of what modules are in the standard library.
>> Which of the following is *not* in Python 3.3's std lib? No cheating
o for o in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(o, types.ModuleType)
... and o.__name__ == 'mymodule']
[]
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l_variables
In some of these languages, the use of "this/self/me" is optional, but
I'm not aware of *any* OOP language where there is no named reference to
the current object at all.
In any case, Python is not unusual in this regard.
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ion:
def primes0():
i = 2
yield i
while True:
i += 1
composite = False
for p in range(2, i):
if i%p == 0:
composite = True
if not composite: # It must be a prime.
yield i
> Call with sieve [2..]
>
> Now a pythonification of that
[...]
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always returns its left hand
argument:
py> 0**2
0
py> 0**7
0
py> 0**99
0
Of course, that could be a coincidence, better try a few other things:
py> 1**57
1
py> 57**1
57
py> -1**12
-1
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Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Today dis() returns the above, tomorrow it may return:
>>
>> 0 LOAD_GLOBAL 0 (x)
>> 3 INCREMENT
>> 5 RETURN_VALUE
, user prompts, etc., regardless
whether the implementation is an array of 8-bit bytes (as used by Python
2), or the full Unicode character set (as used by Python 3). So in
practice, provided you know which version of Python is being discussed,
there is never any genuine ambiguity when using the word "string" and no
excuse for confusion.
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4)
Insert a line here:
print keys, type(keys)
and see what it prints.
>values = sheet.cell(row = i,column = 5)
>x.append(keys.value)
>y.append(values.value)
>i +=1
>mydict = dict(zip(keys,values)print mydict
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that to the target, the old object is modified
instead.
https://docs.python.org/2/reference/simple_stmts.html#augmented-assignment-statements
> Please find the attached module and execute it on windows python32, See
> the difference in output.
I cannot see the attached module. Did you forget to at
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano :
>
>> Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>
>>>> Py3's byte strings are still strings, though.
>>>
>>> Hm. I don't think so. In a plain English sense, maybe, but that kind of
>>> usage can
with good style. It concentrates on documenting use and
> lets the implementation document itself.
Thanks for the kind comments :-)
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suggestions for improvement. Can you point us to the parts of the
documentation which you think are not clear enough? Do you have some
suggested improvements?
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= commented on, so why is it left in?
response lacking context
Note that the reader may end up having to scroll past many paragraphs (or
even pages!) of quoted text to discover the response. Which, all too often,
is a single sentence.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion.
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ared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Please help the newb. He's frustrated.
Are you sure that /opt/python2.7/bin/python2.7 even exists? What do "ls -l"
and "file" say about them?
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the default prefix of
/usr/local/bin and don't have any trouble.
I recommend you try again with just:
./configure
make
make altinstall
then add an alias to your .bashrc
alias python=python2.7
and see how that works for you.
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on for over 15 years. Either I have no idea what Ma is
trying to say, or Ma has no idea what (s)he's trying to say.
:-)
>>To that end, you need to access the namespace where 'self' is in.
`self` is a local variable of the method. Accessing the local namespace is
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x27;ve told them, and can
use them any way you like:
def __str__(self):
template = "%s's hand contains: "
return (template % self.name) + "King of Spades"
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o have some
performance cost. But very cheaply.)
[1] Thanks to Python defaulting to __debug__ = True, the problem is getting
people to remember to test their software with assertions disabled, not to
get them to enable them.
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Terry Reedy wrote:
> idlelib also has TreeWidget.py which works on all branches.
Heh, I see what you did there :-)
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MRAB wrote:
> On 2014-11-29 01:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> [snip]
>> I stress that assertions aren't a replacement for unit testing, but they
>> compliment unit testing: assertions can help cover code missed by your
>> unit tests, and check that your unit tes
Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 11/28/2014 05:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> alister wrote:
>>
>>> And as may wiser people than me have already highlighted Assertions can
>>> be switched off in python which means they cannot be relied upon in
>>> prod
> object feature,
>
> Someone with 20 years of programming shouldn't have any problems
> understanding objects in Python.
Oh if that were only the case. It is amazing how long some people can work
in a profession and still avoid learning anything new.
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or small scripts. But using dozens of
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> Plain google is far superior in finding information.
Well duh.
> And you tell me that writing yet another tutorial would improve that?
Apparently people need a tutorial to teach them to search the entire web not
just a single website...
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ength of the word.
Same for calling max() with a key. The result is still the maximum value.
The difference is how you decide which of two elements is greater:
max(list_of_foods, key=calories)
max(list_of_foods, key=weight)
max(list_of_foods, key=cost)
That is three different ways to decide wh
Naturally. But this does calculate the maximum, according to the given key
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iately adjust the clock forward an hour (say, due to a
daylight savings adjustment), that shouldn't cause sleep to return. It
should still suspend for 60 seconds.
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])
looks like an assignment, but it's actually a method call! That is
approximately equivalent to:
a.__setitem__("1", X)
with X equal to the right hand side. Since that's a method call, it doesn't
count as a binding operation and the compiler doesn't treat a
Dave Angel wrote:
> On 12/04/2014 07:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>
>>> So, if I call
>>>
>>> time.sleep(86400)
>>>
>>> and the program is suspended for 24 hours, should time.sleep() return
>>> ri
Ben Finney wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> LJ wrote:
>>
>> > def gt(l):
>> >a["1"] = a["1"] | set([l])
>>
>> The difference between this example and your second one:
>>
>> > def gt2(l):
>>
Lele Gaifax wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> The most conservative approach is to assume that while you're suspended,
>> *everything else* is suspended too, so when you resume you still have to
>> sleep for the full N seconds.
>
> That's an int
;ve come to the conclusion that
Firefox is the absolute worst web browser available, except for all the
rest. Firefox has a wonderful plugin, No Script, which lets you block
Javascript and other nonsense on a per-site basis.
I love me my No Script. Browsing the web is so painful without it.
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Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Oh, I learned something new: strictly speaking, this is implementation-
>> dependent and not guaranteed to work in the future!
>>
>> def func():
>> global math
>&g
Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 12/5/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Oh, I learned something new: strictly speaking, this is implementation-
>> dependent and not guaranteed to work in the future!
>>
>> def func():
>> global math
>> import ma
code indented with tabs configured for 8/4/2/1
spaces is *worse* than reading tab indented with 8/4/2/1 spaces.
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sed something, I think we could write it like this:
def myzip37(*args):
iters = list(map(iter, args))
while iters:
try:
yield tuple([next(i) for i in iters])
except StopIteration:
return
which I guess is not too horrible. If Python had never supported the c
ix the bugs it's twenty lines and you can't tell what it does any more
without studying it for ten minutes. zip() is an exception, you can write
zip() in Python beautifully. It breaks my heart that there are people who
think that it is improved by adding unnecessary guard clauses to it.
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Roy Smith wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>> > I'm actually glad PEP 479 will break this kind of code. Gives a good
>> > excuse for rewriting it to be more readable.
>
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> What kind of code is that? Short, simple, Pythonic an
functions created with def have the name you give them;
- functions created with lambda are expressions and can be embedded
directly in function calls, lists, etc;
- functions created with def are statements and must stand alone.
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 00:03:33 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 12/8/2014 9:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>>>> def myzip(*args):
>>>> iters = map(iter, args)
>>&g
s bothered to give
the compiler sufficient smarts, not because it can't be done.) So a good
compiler should be able to compile "while iters" into "if iters: while
True" so long as iters is not modified in the body of the loop.
Still, that's a nice observation: sometimes more complex source code can
lead to simpler byte code.
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g I'm not a total idiot. Why would I
think that https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff would do
anything but give a 404? Even YouTube commentators know that you can't try
random stuff into a URL and expect a useful page to appear.
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It's actually worse than that. By telling the end user that the maintainers
have been notified, they *discourage* people from raising an issue. Why
raise an issue for something that is already being attended too?
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ce
but space is now exhausted, and it returns False immediately. And so on
for the rest of the sparse_cloud iterator.
It would be nice if product iterators behaved like xrange() objects and
could perform "in" tests without exhausting the iterator, but they don't.
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:53:05 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> It would be nice if product iterators behaved like xrange() objects and
>> could perform "in" tests without exhausting the iterator, but the
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:44:54 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> I really think you guys are trying too hard to make this function seem
>> more complicated than it is. If you
return iterators.
Anything you get from the itertools module is likely to be an iterator.
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hift them from "yes,
I'd love to help" to "fuck 'em, they can solve their own
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Please cut your code down to the smallest self-contained
example that demonstrates the problem.
Doing so will have two benefits:
- it will increase the chances that you will find the bug yourself;
- and if you don't, it will increase the chances that others will
be willing to help you
nce to get a function.
b = f()
a.attribute = 23
b.attribute # raises AttributeError
Or you could inspect the byte-code of f and try to understand it.
> Because to me 'is' -- equivalently id -- is a code-smell
It is only a code-smell in the sense that caring about object identity
should be rare.
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l generality.
Do not use A+B-B, since that is *not* numerically equivalent to A. Floats
are not real numbers!
py> a = 0.01
py> b = 1e5
py> a + b - b
0.009476131
py> a + b - b == a
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namespaces get dismissed because nobody uses them,
and nobody uses them because when they try it gets dismissed :-(
Oh well, there's always my own non-stdlib modules :-)
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x". Nothing else can see inner(), since it is
local to outer().
As I said, most programming languages work like this. But a small minority
use a different system, called "dynamic scoping". In dynamic scoping, it
doesn't matter *where* a function is defined, only where it is called. Wi
Chris Kaynor wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Using "is" you are demonstrating that calling the function twice returns
>> two distinct objects. That is the purpose of "is", to compare object
>> identity.
ss, and
set a per-instance attribute when the instance is created. Add this method
to the class:
def __init__(self):
self.test = True
Generally speaking, the __init__ method approach is more common.
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to change is a good thing or a bad thing,
but I don't think that there should be any debate about the reality of the
Python community being strongly conservative, compared to the "anything
goes" attitude of (say) Ruby, Perl and Lisp programmers. We don't like code
that does
ut in pure Python, you can do this:
def add(alist, blist):
if len(blist) != len(alist): raise ValueError
for i, x in blist:
alist[i] += x
results = [0]*4 # Like [0,0,0,0]
for sublist in [d2(t[k]) for k in xrange(1000)]:
add(results, sublist)
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e() while value in undesired_values()
That is no help at all for the general case where you have a block of code
inside the while loop. It certainly isn't worth having syntax for such a
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already installed. Otherwise, you will have to install it.
If you can't install it, or don't want to, you can't use Python.
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> At work, Python 2.3 is the version in one environment
Good grief! What's the OS you are using for that?
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Akira Li wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> um, what if I want to USE a command line for python WITHOUT downloading
>>> or installing it
>>
>> Who are you talking to? What is the context?
>&
Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new to numpy. I am reading binary data one record at a time (I have
> to) and I would like to store all the records in a numpy array which I
> pre-allocate. Below I try to fill the empty array with exactly one record,
> but it is filled with as many rows as
rrno 22] Invalid argument: 'F:\\names.txt'
Are you sure that you have an F drive?
Is it a writable disk? e.g. a hard drive, not a CD drive.
Do you have read and write permissions to F drive?
Run this code and show us what it prints:
import os
print(os.stat("F:\\")
print(os.a
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Run this code and show us what it prints:
>>
>> import os
>> print(os.stat("F:\\")
>> print(os.access("F:\\", os.O_RDWR))
>
> (With an
is for you to tell Python which instance to use:
str.upper("hello") # just like "hello".upper()
--> returns "HELLO"
> So I need to write down an "obj" argument manually.
> Why '__self__' exists only in instance "x"? (m
(producer_entries.li.div.string)
If you don't leave the blank line, then *nothing* in that "with" block will
run and consequently the last print line will fail.
Until you fix that, we cannot even begin to help with any other issues you
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[...]
> If you intend the function to be called as the method of an instance, you
> would be well-advised to name the parameter “self”, as recommended.
> (Which is probably derived from Smalltalk-80 and Self, some of the first
> OOPLs.)
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Albert van der Horst wrote:
> With some perseverance, you can ask the interpreter what `` ** ''
> does:
>
> help(**)
>
> maybe so?
> help('**')
> Indeed, a whole description.
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e of __import__() is also discouraged in favor of
importlib.import_module()."
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#__import__
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n the bug tracker and see what the core
devs think.
If you don't have and won't open an account on the tracker, if you can come
up with a minimal example that demonstrates the issue, I'll open an issue
for you. (But I'd rather you did it yourself :-)
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the answer is No, then your main loop is just killing time, doing nothing
but sleeping and waiting, like somebody checking their wristwatch every two
seconds. You should simplify your script by getting rid of the main loop
completely and let your OS handle the timing:
# No loop at all.
do_this()
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rather-than-inheritance?lq=1
However, be warned that there are two subtly different models for
delegation. Here's the one that people seem to forget:
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/519639-true-lieberman-style-delegation-in-python/
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yapp.py a symlink or hard link to the real
myapp/__main__.py. Better still is not to use the same name for the package
and the script.)
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, ___[(lambda _: _).func_code.co_nlocals:]) if ___ else []
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lambda _: _.func_code.co_argcount,
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do? Anything different from the above?
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
I'm 95% sure it will turn out to be version confusion: you have two versions
of Python installed, you used pip to install pandas for version A but then
ran version B.
Otherwise, 3% that the pip installati
CM wrote:
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 7:57:19 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Taken from Ben Kurtovic's blog:
>>
>> http://benkurtovic.com/2014/06/01/obfuscating-hello-world.html
[...]
> I ran it in IDLE with Python 2.7.8 and got:
>
> Traceb
Tony the Tiger wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:57:08 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
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>> I am in total awe.
>
> I'm not. It has no real value. Write your code like that and you'll soon
> be looking for a new job.
Awww, did da widdle puddy tat get up on th
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