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> > > instructions? If not, why it would be different and how would you
> > > achieve that?
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> > I have clearly not explained myself very well in the "PEP".
>
> Well, it seems to be written with an idea that a
od enough that I wouldn't use a batch formatter to conform
to some other conventions, then wind up having a mixed set of
conventions after my next edit. I presume vim and all IDEs worth their
salt also do a suitable job of formatting code on-the-fly.
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SpamBayes. All other elements of the tool chain occur ahead of the
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If we are using two different definitions of "moderation" I think it
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to Mailman 3.
I'm sure Mark Sapiro and other Mailman maintainers would like to keep
moving away from Mailman 2. If the gateway (easier anonymity) and
Mailman 3 (maybe better list archives) are of interest to you, you
might check in with the Mailman dev list and see what would be
involved in portin
y, we didn't use an assembler
either. We just wrote raw opcodes and their arguments on paper. This was in
the late 70s.)
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Once I made the switch, things came together pretty quickly, due in large
part, I think, to its more sane API.
YMMV, but you're more than welcome to steal code from Polly.
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there some way to do this totally within the git infrastructure?
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So, I'm kind of stuck. Maybe I need to install Python 3.3 and try that? Any
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I've got a straightforward dedupe program, but need something which can
compare just the data chunk of JPEGs, ignoring the metadata. This program
apparently does that. Is like to avoid reinventing that wheel.
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suppressed by stderr being fed into a pipe, or by distutils tossing it out.
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Woo hoo! It's installed. The ultimate error was a missing turbojpeg.h
file. Thank goodness for the apt-file command. I was able to track
that down to the libturbojpeg0-dev package, install that, and after a
bit more fussing around now have jpegdupes installed.
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Asking because I've never been in the business of releasing "retail" Python
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Probably worth a bookmark in your browser.
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Am I expecting too much from the email package when munching on crufty
20+yo archived email messages?
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> From the docs:
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> get_payload(i=None, decode=False)
...
Try decode=True.
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Skip> :dopeslap: Thanks. Never been all that consistent reading documentation.
The more I think about it, the more I think maybe my lack of
documentation reading wasn't all that unreasonable. The content
transfer encoding and charset are properties of the m
x27;t occur to me the transformation would occur on the way
out.
I think another way I might have saved myself was if I was using a modern
IDE where I might have gotten some hints hovering over the method call.
But, I'm an End user. I'm sure there is some add-on package I could
install, but
s on SSL/TLS chit chat over port
80, not just port 443 (which seems to work okay). Is there some magic
incantation to get it to just talk HTTP on port 80, or will I need to spin
up two instances? (The non-root config works fine - plain old HTTP over
port 8080.)
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be.
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a few solutions
out in the wild, but this seems like something which might best be
addressed in either the asyncio or tkinter documentation, or better yet,
implemented in one or the other.
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examples in the library doc or on the wider net which demonstrate control
of this particular window manager interaction. (I don't care about Windows
or Mac, at least for the time being.)
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workspace.
Thanks. I'd forgotten about the possibility of doing this sort of thing in
the window manager config. That would certainly be fine in this case. (It's
been ages since I messed with this sort of
recall what window manager(s) I used at the
time (probably twm or fvwm). Now I use fvwm4 and can't find squat
online about configuration files. I do have a ~/.config/xfce4/xfwm4/
directory, but it is completely empty.
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I kind of assume xfce4 is the session manager sort of thing, while
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watching
So, Tk+asyncio turns out to be fairly easy to do, at least for simple stuff.
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Python 3, PyMember_Get() is gone.
This is all well and good, but I can't find documentation for either
function, or seemingly examples of code which converted from one to the
other. Any pointers?
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these messages held. I will continue to train on these messages to try and
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me (in its entirety, headers and all). Attaching it as a compressed tar
file will help sneak it past other spam filters.
Thanks,
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http://www.spambayes.org/
You might find the Background link particularly interesting.
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> When we are printing to the console, is there a way to display to the
> previous line in the console.
Check out the curses module:
https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/curses.html
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> I am unable to even install that curses package
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> C:\>pip install curses
> Collecting curses
> Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement curses (from
> versions
tion of plenty of other changes, but not this particular one.
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>
> It's the third hit when searching for 'float'. Assuming I understand
what it's saying. ;)
Thanks. Is that the "David Gay's algorithm"? That seems to apply only to
repr(), while the cha
but I would prefer not to if I can avoid it.
I could also propose a change to the writerow method, but - even if
accepted - it wouldn't change earlier 3.x behavior.
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Thanks everyone. I'm not going to try to be too cute, and will just change
my test case. I'm leaving Python 2 behind in this particular case for now
anyway. I can always return to the issue if I decide I need Python 2.7
support at some point in the future.
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with the compiler, there is no particular reason it must be there.
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", "c": "hello"}
Skimming the Lua reference manual, I didn't see anything like dict()
and zip(). I suspect I'm thinking like a Python programmer when I
shouldn't be. Is there a Lua idiom which tackles this problem in a
straightforward manner, short of a num
was interested in Lua from
a Python perspective. I know that I see people bring incorrect
(suboptimal?) idioms from other languages when starting with Python. I
was hoping that some Python people who have a foot in the Lua world
could help me avoid that mistake.
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-m modulefinder -m /path/to/os.py
This is from Python 2.7, YMMV slightly in Py3.
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> Too bad that the indentation is still not actually significant. One little
> undetectable mistake with the braces and the meaning of the code is
totally
> changed.
Maybe an Emacs mode which can toggle between "Java view/mode" (normal) and
"Python view/mode" (Rustom's Twitter example) would be us
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> It's called Jython. :)
Well, sure, but that didn't look enough like Python, so no chance that
I would mistake it for Jython. I suspect that whoever worked out that
arrangement of semicolons and braces had some help from her
Alister> i think whoever did that WAS a tool
Perhaps, but maybe she is a Python programmer forced to write Java
(not Jython). If so, props to her for making the best of a bad
situation. :-)
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n't pass all of
numpy's cross product unit tests. Fix that and submit a patch to the numpy
maintainers. I suspect it would be accepted.
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g monitor, I can attest to the
relatively large number of questions received there asking about
removing Python "because I don't use it for anything." :-) This
started happening about the time the long defunct Compaq started to
write admin tools for Windows in Python.
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ns as to which version is "best?" I leave it to you to decide
what "best" means to you. Having never used websockets before, I'm not sure
what criteria to use.
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PyPI came back. A bit more sleuthing suggests that the
websocket-client package on PyPI is Ohtani's package, and is more
up-to-date than the copyright notices would suggest. The package was
updated a few days ago on GitHub.
Taking the path of least resistance (no changes necessary to the
code), I
or networked file systems. Those were the good old days. :-)
Some things are better just left alone. File globbing is probably one
of those things. There's no right answer, and the people in the two
camps will never come to a compromise.
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anipulation and date arithmetic. It's a *whole lot better*.
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Sorry, I haven't been following this thread carefully. Michael's use of
"sudo" caught my eye though. I know virtualenv might be "special", but
shouldn't this work?
pip install --user virtualenv
It will wind up in $HOME/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages (or sim
ince then, and no messages on the postmaster list discussing
them. I just skimmed the archives for November and December but saw no
examples. Generally, when Ralf or Mark delete spams, then manually
rewrite the Subject: and From: headers and zero out the message body.
I saw nothing lik
sing around in the din of holiday shopping isn't the same as an
extended test drive in my usual environment.
So, for those of you who've tried it, does the lack of a physical ESC key
create problems?
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as does the Apple keyboard attached to my
wife's iMac (which I sometimes use). I'm specifically interested in
how the lack of a physical ESC key affects people who do are used to
the real deal.
If nobody has any experience because the Touch-Bar-equipped MBPs are
too new, that's fine.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Peter Pearson
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> Train your fingers to use C-[.
As I recall, the location of the Ctrl key was one of the differences
between Sun and PC101 keyboards. Doesn't matter so much now, as Sun
has gone the way of the dodo, but it moved around more for me than ESC
o
binary input on
a PDP-11 in one engineering class in grad school at Iowa. Hand assembling
your program isn't terrific fun.
With this polar vortex going on, I'm not sure when I'll have the cojones to
brave the weather for an otherwise unnecessary trip to the Apple Store.
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with those extra four minutes? Here is one such timestamp I
logged in my app:
2016-12-22T20:35:05-04:56
WTF? Has my brain turned to mush, and the people in New York now move
so fast that they are four minutes closer to their London counterparts
than they used to be?
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04-27T00:00:00'))
You can then compare it with other tz-containing datetime objects.
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e now is datetime.datetime.now() and eastern_tz is
pytz.timezone("America/Eastern").
So, my problem has (again) been solved. A colleague here has suggested arrow
<https://pypi.python.org/pypi/arrow/0.10.0> as an alternative to
datetime+pytz, which I will look into during the slow pe
:04:51.295127-06:00
Different timezones, but the same time.
>>> print utcnow - chicago.normalize(utcnow)
0:00:00
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text, just in a non-ASCII encoding, that specifying the encoding when
opening the file should do the trick.
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"VT52 special graphics characters", anyone? Credit where credit is due. Who
hasn't borked their output and wound up with their VT(52|100) in graphics
mode? :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT52
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with this package's event
loop. What options do I have? I'm certainly willing to switch to another
websocket client library if that will make all my problems go away. This is
my first ws experience though, and I inherited some code which used
websocket-client, so just went with wha
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Ooh, hadn't considered that. That would seem to do the trick. I assume the
function to be executed will be run in the timer's thread, so will have to
suitably lock any shared data.
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'0xc0d777bc'
There. *Now* you have an address. Hack to your heart's content.
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>> There. *Now* you have an address. Hack to your heart's content.
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> No, you now have a hexadecimal representation of an integer.
You missed my attempt at levity, I think.
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to watch
some memory locations, but it's not clear what exactly I should watch or
how/when to move my watchpoint(s) around. Should I not be thinking in terms
of watchpoints? Is there a better way to approach this problem? (I also
have valgrind at my disposal, but am not very skilled in its
the latter accepts just about
anything you through at it, is a bit surprising. Perhaps there is no
true corresponding class in the io module?
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demise of the daemon thread
can take down the entire program? (Sometimes it's good that it doesn't
crash. Other times it would at least be handy if it did.)
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Thanks. In one instance I used six.StringIO, which seems to work. The
question I had was more why futurize makes a transformation which is an
obvious semantic change.
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> On 08/03/18 02:34, Skip Montanaro wrote:
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should "my_thread_function" fails ...
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>>> 4 (0, 0, 1)
>>> 9 (0, 0, 1)
>>> 18 (0, 0, 2)
>>> 32 (0, 0, 2)
>
> I spy duplicates.
I didn't realize we'd started playing "I Spy
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t;/dev/stderr")
Python 3.6.4:
>>> import logging
>>> logging.FileHandler("/dev/stderr")
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
File "/home/skip/miniconda3/envs/python3/lib/python3.6/logging/__init__.py",
line 1030, in __init
lower level i/o.
I'll poke around a little and maybe open a bug report if I can't find any
explanation for the change in behavior.
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> I'll poke around a little and maybe open a bug report if I can't find any
> explanation for the change in behavior.
Turns out to be a known problem with a bit of history:
https://bugs.python.org/issue27805
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t, but you could maybe use SpamBayes to write your own
spam filter for comp.lang.python. The gate_news program on
mail.python.org does just that, using the training database I
maintain. If anyone is interested, contact me. I can help set you up
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n stderr when
the level has clearly been set to logging.INFO? There is an active
stream handler as demonstrated by the successful log.warn(...) call.
I really don't like the logging module, but it looks like I'm stuck
with it. Why aren't simple/obvious things either simple or obvious?
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moment. I have played with Eliot (https://eliot.readthedocs.io/) a
bit. Even if it doesn't suit you, I think it's a worthwhile read to
consider other ways to think about logging.
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not just on state changes. Maybe /proc/acpi/wakeup will be of some
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heck
it more frequently than I check for human input, but that will likely
be good enough for my needs.
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I forgot to mention that when running on Linux (displaying back on
Windows), the Python 3 version (3.6.4, Tk 8.6) does cover all three
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Thanks. I'm using an internal (to work) Anaconda distro at work. Hopefully
it will update soon.
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>
> Thanks. I'm using an internal (to work) Anaconda distro at work. Hopefully
> it will update soon.
>
I got everything up-to-date, but still the cover
of the old syntax:
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3127/#removal-of-old-octal-syntax
Which is what bit you.
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roblem with C's octal number
notation. People coming from C, C++ or Java to Python at that time would
certainly have understood that syntax. It's only in the past 15 years or so
that we've seen tons of people coming to Python as a first language for
whom leading zero notation would
s a reason I never used PHP...
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and no "chunkiness." Octal was "just right."
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capital "oh" are visually so similar. Not much to be done about that at
this point. Just avoid upper case for all three prefixes.
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;s because I didn't tell it
explicitly how to decode the bytes object, as when I do, I get the expected
result:
>>> str(bytes("abc", encoding="utf-8"), encoding="utf-8")
'abc'
Coming from a still largely Python 2 perspective, did all attempts to apply
default encodings disappear in Python 3?
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