t; and "2" are available. The easiest way to see this is to define
a simple function:
def f(team):
del team[2]
Now, import the dis module and call
dis.dis(f)
then check out the byte code assembler statements.
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want to embed the
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sure if it'd help or not, but worth a try.
Yeah, I did, but it didn't change anything as far as I could tell.
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stopped working. I should have realized right then and there what I'd done
wrong, but I got hung up thinking I'd done something wrong with absolute
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Leave it to DB to ask the tough questions other people won't. :-)
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On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> From David Beazley (https://twitter.com/dabeaz/status/925787482515533830):
>
> >>> a = 'n'
> >>&g
atement has been very strong at
times (there is a powerful desire from a performance perspective to have
something akin to C's switch statement), but nothing ever worked well
enough to be accepted.
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" makes things clearer. So, perhaps while and
for loops could someday grow except clauses. :-)
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> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 12:49 pm, Skip Montanaro wrote:
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> > I don't know. The word "then" doesn't connote dif
ording to the PEP) was None. I
tried the same trick using pyodbc talking to SQL Server (select top(1)
* from mytable). It returned more useful information.
Did I go about things wrong with SQLite, or is the sqlite3 module (or
SQLite database underlying it) not capable enough?
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There is an open ticket to add this feature:
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If you can help with either task, please drop a note to [email protected].
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Thanks, Justin. I imagine editors probably exist which can switch between
WYSIWYG and markup. Whether that markup can be Markdown or not, I don't
know. Marc-André Lemburg listed a few possible editors in the ticket he
opened, but I've not dug into their properties.
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On Sun, Nov 1
On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:28:56 AM UTC-6, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> This is a test posting from the Usenet side of things. Looking to see if/when
> it turns up in the gate_news logs on mail.python.org...
This is another test, though with a bit more Python content...
(python2) ~%
On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:28:56 AM UTC-6, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> This is a test posting from the Usenet side of things. Looking to see if/when
> it turns up in the gate_news logs on mail.python.org...
>
> Skip
Yet another test. This time with SpamBayes x-mine_usenet_hea
> Another test of SpamBayes in comp.lang.python -> python-list gateway.
Still leaning on the submit button to see what gate_news thinks...
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not precisely what you're looking for, but
maybe it will give you some ideas. (I've never used it, just stumbled
on it with a bit of poking around.)
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limiting effect on computer keyboard entry - to attaining Unicode
identifier Nirvana. Perhaps for my next computer I should choose a
non-ASCII keyboard option when configuring it.
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dottedQuadList[1],
dottedQuadList[2])
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the alternatives should you choose?)
that people think, "Ah hell, might as well just go with the ASCII
keyboard."
I'm clearly in the old fart camp at this point. Perhaps American
software engineers half my age aren't afflicted by my career-long
biases.
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Chris,
Please forward one or two to me. Mark Sapiro and I have been banging on the
SpamBayes instance which supports the Usenet gateway. I suppose it's
possible some change caused the problem you're seeing.
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On Nov 26, 2017 5:22 PM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
Not sur
ich have a
"nospam" preface. It would seem that someone was trying to mark
certain posters as "not spammy," (I'm sure Chris is flattered) and
somehow posts with that private marking leaked out of the user's
system starting in the past twelve hours or so.
Newsreader
t would have
capitalized the "e". Still, I plowed ahead and hit RET
which yielded an "Invalid character" message in the minibuffer.
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itself always gobble up that key?
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#x27;t find it
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:40:00 +1200
Organization: Agency BBS, Dunedin - New Zealand | bbs.geek.nz
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Any ideas how to investigate further?
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actual time the program spends calculating. My goal in this case is
minimizing latency of request handling, so while it's not CPU-bound,
it's still important to minimize the relevant code paths.
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tation of next() and strip out the comment and the while loop
which follows it.
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next() and strip out the comment and the while loop which follows it.
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ying to use it in an open source
environment.
Any feedback appreciated. As this is only Python-related in the sense
that SpamBayes is written in Python, feel free to reply off-list.
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text-only Usenet News*
*...*
*Contact - newsmaster {at} news.bbs.geek.nz <http://news.bbs.geek.nz> to
obtain a username / password.*
I just sent a note to that email address. No bounce yet.
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Thanks. I've had a couple references to Appveyor, so will see if I can make
heads or tails of it during my Christmas-to-New Year's break.
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On Dec 15, 2017 5:43 PM, "Ned Batchelder" wrote:
> On 12/15/17 2:03 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
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>> SpamBayes (http://ww
Apologies. I interpreted your use of the word "fake" to imply the
domain didn't really exist. In that case, I would have not expected a
website to be up, nor an email to succeed (even with delays).
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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-12-17, Ski
Apologies. Misread your question.
Skip
On Dec 19, 2017 6:16 PM, "Skip Montanaro" wrote:
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> Has any thought been given to adding elif to the for statement?
>
>
> Time machine at work I think:
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> https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#the-if
Has any thought been given to adding elif to the for statement?
Time machine at work I think:
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#the-if-statement
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ax it into giving me some help and exiting?
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n decorators to implement
goto statements:
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/goto-statement/1.1
Rather clever, it seems.
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at satisfies the requirement py2exe_py2
(from versions: )
That error message isn't telling me much about why the requirement
isn't satisfied.
The name of the wheel file suggests that it's architecture-independent:
py2exe_py2-0.6.9-cp27-none-win32.whl
Any idea what it'
> That's not an architecture-independent file. The Wheel spec gives all
> the details, but "cp27" (as opposed to "py27") means it's CPython only
> (which usually means it's got a C extension) and "win32" is 32-bit
> only ("win_amd64" is the tag for 64-bit Windows). So the problem is
> that the py2e
> Thanks. I'll shoot Thomas Heller an email...
Actually, make that Christopher Toth. Seems he's the current maintainer.
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Looking at 14 million lines of Linux kernel sources, which are in C, over
100,000 of them use 'goto'. About one every 120 lines.
Isn't C's goto statement restricted to the current function? I imagine
setjmp and longjmp calls might be more insidious.
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re tree to disk). I see the pylzma module for compressing and
uncompressing files, but nothing slightly higher level. Does something
like that exist?
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If you're doing this a lot, it might be worth repackaging your 7z files as
> zip files.
Good point. FWIW, these are the files:
http://untroubled.org/spam
Pretty static once a month or year is closed out...
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> Have you looked at libarchive (https://pypi.python.org/pypi/libarchive)?
Thanks, was completely unaware of its existence. I will take a look.
I've been repackaging the 7z archives as zips, but the result is 3-5x
larger.
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ypes were simpler.
Once you have the basic foundation, pick something which has changed
significantly, and make a deep dive into it.
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gt; C: 1, 0: Missing class docstring (missing-docstring)
> R: 1, 0: Too few public methods (0/2) (too-few-public-methods)
Ditto. Mark, do you have any tweaks in your .pylintrc file which might
affect it?
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I was able to 'pip install --user ...' a package yesterday in a Conda
environment, so I think it's a YMMV sort of thing. Having only ever
used the Conda environment stuff, I've generally interpreted the term
"virtual environment" in a fairly generic way.
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t environment's bin
directory in PATH. Caveat... I write this with my Linux/Unix hat on. I
don't own a Windows hat. Again, YMMV.
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t;fdopen" or "freopen" equivalent
mentioned in the io module documentation. Is this possible in a clean
way?
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if necessary -> resulting in io
nirvana in the internals of my module. :-)
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turns another File object which will still
lack the API provided by io.IOBase. I'm talking Python 2.7 here. In
Python 3.x, all I/O is mediated by that API.
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io.open can open a file descriptor.
Ah, thanks. I'd missed that in my initial reading of the io.open
documentation.
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rg. A bidirectional gateway
runs on mail.python.org which ships messages back and forth. I take
care of the SpamBayes setup on mail.python.org, whose primary task is
to divert spam which arrives from comp.lang.python.
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Neither works for me. The news link clearly fails, but the gmane.org
link has no search functionality either. Do you have a direct URL to
comp.lang.python?
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ows is core to
just about everything, so I am forced to use it for a lot of stuff
(Outlook, SQL Server, Excel, etc). I see lots of screen snips flow around,
and even use that technique at times when asking our help desk for some
mystifying Windows thing.
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my eye on a new MacBook one of these days). I suppose bonus
points for something which works on Windows, but that's not a platform
I actually care about.
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> I don't know in Python, but maybe you can create a script that writes
> on a named pipe and read it from Python?
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/226278/run-script-on-wakeup
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ve been resting for a long enough period of time to allow me
to subject my wrists to further agony
<https://github.com/smontanaro/python-bits/blob/master/src/watch.py> with
the keyboard and mouse.
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(*) man systemd-sleep contains this admonition:
Note that scripts or binaries dropped in /
packages. With that many hosted packages, it is almost
certainly a haven for some undetected vulnerabilities. Knowing which
packages have been audited — at least in a cursory fashion — could be used
as a further criterion to use when deciding which packages to consider
using on a project.
So,
ke pynput. Something with application to
a much wider community, like numpy, returns a bunch more:
https://www.libhunt.com/r/numpy
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y want the graphics to be terribly
Python-centric. Consequently, "import this" is probably not going to work.
I have decided to go ahead and use my first name in lower case Courier as
the core piece of the downtube graphic:
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That's not too informative (other than its relationship to
> Do you know of a library that resolves schedules like every Wednesday
> at 3:00pm to absolute time, that is return the datetime of the next
> occurrence?
Take a look at the `rrule` module in the `dateutil` package:
https://dateutil.readthedocs.io/en/stable/rrule.html
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order was
unspecified. That would give the implementer (likely Tim Peters much of the
time) the freedom to do whatever worked best for performance or simplicity
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as my son is in dev ops, writes Python from time-to-time, and my grandson
is 13. I could definitely see the pattern in the story transferring over to
Chris and Carmine.
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admit f-strings to the logging package. I'm guessing that's not gone
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"ref-strings." Sorry about that.
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> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 9:42 AM Andreas Ames
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>> 1. The culprit was me. As laz
could use something like nargs='*', but that would push off
detection of the presence of the positional arg to the application.
Shouldn't I be able to tell argparse I'm going to process --verbose, then
exit?
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code for argparse to see how it handled --help. The added argument
seemed normal, so gave up, figuring there was some special handling of
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")
args = parser.parse_args(["--help", "--version"])
Which option is processed depends on their order on the command line. I
don't believe it's possible to run the script and see them both processed.
That's probably a secondary consideration though. My script is working well
enough in this regard now.
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I'd be interested to see what else turns up.
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ython3.10-venv/now 3.10.7-1+focal1 amd64 [installed,local]
Off the top of my head, I can't recall if it's LTS or not. If you want to
go beyond 3.10.6, it should be possible. As Grant indicated though,
upgrading packages on an Ubuntu system (of any flavor) is the province of
the Ubuntu
nt is
consuming huge amounts of CPU. Does threading.Lock.acquire() sleep
anywhere? I didn't see anything obvious poking around in the C code
which implements this stuff. I'm no expert though, so could easily
have missed something.
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best of 5: 98.7 usec per loop
I process the output of timeit's help message which looks to be about the
same length as a typical email message, certainly the same order of
magnitude. Also, note that I call it once in the setup to eliminate the
initial training of the ConllExtractor instance. I don't know if ~100us
qualifies as long running or not.
I'll keep messing with it.
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ode, avoiding the transfer
to the top of the virtual machine loop. That would (I think) avoid checks
related to GIL release and thread switches.
I don't guarantee that's what's going on, and even if I'm correct, I don't
think you can rely on it.
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the repr() code used raw strings where they
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Dang auto-correct... Should read
... double quotes around "strings" and single quotes around 'c'haracters ...
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> Not really. As an
> Hello, I'm working with an employer that is looking to hire someone in
> (Edinburgh or London) that can administer on-prem and vmware
> platforms.
>
James,
If you haven't already, please post to the Phone Jobs Board:
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or "antigravity",
but those are now old (both introduced before 2010). When was the last time
a clever easter egg was introduced or an April Fool's Day joke played?
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You could create a git repo with just nntplib and generate a package on
PyPI, then use that when running a version of Python which lacks nntplib.
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> availa
2 code,
then using that from 3.13 onward.
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It won't magically be available via pip unless someone steps up to maintain
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should have never considered it, I think you might want to
study the output of
import this
Think on the second and last lines in particular.
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and many people like IDEs, but I've not generally
found them all that useful. I'm stuck in the 90s I guess.
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still mostly use it for that, but it's another viable option.
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structures.
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[1] https://github.com/smontanaro/polly
[2] https://xkcd.com/936/
[3] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2014-August/827854.html
[4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501
[5] https://pypi.org/project/IMAPClient/
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That seems easier than the "right" way.
That seems harder than it ought to be. Hopefully I'm just missing
something simple.
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know I can simply edit out
those bytes and probably be good-to-go, but I'd prefer not to. What should
I be passing for the encoding?
Skip, who thought everybody had effectively settled on utf-8 at this point,
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g files
>
Excellent, thanks. That worked like a charm. Knowing what its called also
allowed me to look up more info.
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dump would l.o.o.k.
> .l.i.k.e. .t.h.i.s.
>
Ah, right. Been a long, long while (well before Unicode was a thing) since
I needed to use od(1) and don't remember dealing with UTF-16 before.
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h the original files, a small
README file and a compile.patch file between the original code and the
runnable code.
It was a pleasant diversion for a couple hours. I was tired of shovelling
snow anyway... Thank you, Hiromi.
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> Wow. Was white-space not significant in this release of Python? I see the
>> lack of indentation in the first Python programs.
>>
>
> Indentation most certainly was significant from day 0. I suspect what
> happened is that these files got busted somehow by the extrac
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2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2]
The tests don't pass though. 1 * 1 raises an integer overflow exception:
>>> 1 * 1
Unhandled exception: run-time error: integer overflow
Stack backtrace (innermost last):
File "", line 1
I'll let someone figure that out. :-)
At any rate, the git repo has been updated.
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> That's annoying. You have to roll your own solution!
>
Certainly seems like a known issue:
https://bugs.python.org/issue12737
That issue was opened in 2011.
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Yes, I remember Parrot. As I understand it their original goal was a
language-agnostic virtual machine, which might have complicated things.
I will do a bit of reading and add some text to the "PEP."
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On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:36 AM David Mertz wrote:
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ess clear (no pun intended)
than it should be. In frame_dealloc, Py_CLEAR is called for
stack/register slots instead of just Py_XDECREF. Might not be
necessary.
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> Yeah, that is old writing, so is probably less clear (no pun intended)
> than it should be. In frame_dealloc, Py_CLEAR is called for
> stack/register slots instead of just Py_XDECREF. Might not be
> necessary.
Also, the intent is not to change any semantics here. The
implementation of RETURN_VAL
y pointers
> (with extra dereferencing, but that's a detail). It's unclear why you
> try to ignore them ("cell" registers), putting ahead "locals" and
> "stack" registers. The actual register instructions implementation would
> just treat any frame slot as a register with continuous numbering,
> allowing to access all of locals, cells, and stack locs in the same
> way. In that regard, trying to rearrange 3 groups at this stage seems
> like rather unneeded implementation complexity with no clear motivation.
I haven't even looked at LOAD_DEREF or STORE_DEREF yet. I think that
extra dereferencing will be more than a simple detail though. That
makes the semantics of cell/free slots different than locals/registers
slots (more like globals). If true, then my reordering of the frame
data is worthwhile, I think.
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