times slower than
cpython, although many optimizations remain to be done.
And I 'm not sure, but I think that its developers rely on the
psyco-like techniques to achieve the big speed boost their looking for.
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ains to be done now is implementing the psyco-like techniques
for improving speed (amongst many other things, like stackless, etc).
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> Java => Sun
> .Net => Microsoft
> C# => Microsoft
> Linux => too many big name IT companies to mention
> Python => ?
I know at least one company responsible for a linux distro (Cannonical
- Ubuntu), which encourages and even pays programmers for developing
applications in Python.
His fo
Thanks Carl for your explanation!
I just have one doubt regarding the way Pypy is supposed to work when
its finished:
We know that for translating the rpython interpreter to C, the pypy
team developed a tool that relies heavily on static type inference.
My question is:
Will this type inference al
Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote:
> The static type inference is just a means. It will not be used for the
> speeding up of running programs. The problem with the current type
> inference is that it is really very static and most python programs are
> not static enough for it.
>
> Therefore we will rather
ython programs to C and compiling them to stand-alone
> executables.
>
> Is that correct?
Oh, forget this question...
You already made this clear in another post in this thread...
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anks again for your explanations and keep up the good work!
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> Thanks for clearing up some of my confusion with PyPy, Luis!
Hey, I'm glad you brought up this topic!
This thread really helped me to understand some dark corners of this
exciting project.
I also want to thank Carl and all the other Pypy developers for their
outstanding work!
I've
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> JB wrote:
>
> > long life to Guido & Goole ! many things to come ;)
>
> Google is merely the new Microsoft and surely just as unethical
> at its core.
>
> And your spelling Goole is probably closer to the mark,
> since it is merely the next ghoulish big company,
> come to
rbt wrote:
> Go right ahead. Perhaps we should do one for Perl too:
>
> It's like having King Kong as your very own personal body guard ;)
Good analogy:
You know, they call Perl the "eight-hundred-pound gorilla" of scripting
languages.
Although most of the time, it would be a a very unsuitable bo
istian,
I'd like to know, in your opinion, how far is the goal of making pypy
complete and fast?
Regarding the current state of the project, are you confident that the
goals will be met, or you still have doubts?
(The same questions go for the RPython translator project as
stand-alone too
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Anton Vredegoor wrote:
> Google's not a nice company (yeah, I know I'm posting from a google
> account). If you look at their job requirements it's clear they will
> only hire people with long backstabbing histories. There seems to be no
> room left for world improving undamaged souls in that comp
This article is in Dutch:
http://www.computable.nl/nieuws.htm?id=1039941&WT.mc_id=rss
According to this blog entry, it says that Guido has been hired by
Google to work on Pypy:
http://zephyrfalcon.org/weblog2/arch_e10_00870.html
Is there anyone who can confirm this information?
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[(2, 'b'), (3, 'a')]
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sortByValue(x)[:2]
[(2, 'b'), (3, 'a')]
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to choose.
Although it's also very good to have a main implementation, lead by its
creator, who will always take care that there will be a pure and
legitimate Python for those who like it just the way it is.
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> IronPython as it is now is already slightly different from CPython
> isn't it? Because it has to capture features of CLR languages that are
> not in Python (such as using generic containers).
Hmm... I'm not sure what you mean by "capture features of CLR".
I think Ironpython is a faithful impleme
because it is dyamic and you don't declare types.
So writing x =List[str](), for example, doesn't buy you anything.
You're better off using a regular list: x = [].
Someone more knowledgeable please kindly correct me...
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Ray wrote:
> But then again, once you start using .NET class you're tied to .NET
> anyway so this is not a big problem, I think--although the more
> perfectionist among us might like to isolate parts of Python code that
> are .NET/IP specific to make porting easier if it ever comes to that...
That
esful, I want Python to run
on it.
What's more, I got the feeling that MS understood that they have to win
the programmers hearts in order to attract them, and they won't do this
by "stealing" what they love most.
The key of their success is in attracting programmers to their field
I think that this posted message in Jim Hugunin's weblog clearly shows
what are Microsoft intentions regarding Python and other dynamic
languages:
http://blogs.msdn.com/hugunin/archive/2006/01/05/509812.aspx
We're hiring full-time and summer interns!
We're looking for a few exceptionally talented
John Salerno wrote:
> Luis M. González wrote:
>
> > I'm curious, why it didn't work?
> > I sent them an email recently, asking about mod_python support, and
> > they replied afirmatively, and very quickly. They also said that they
> > can install other
John Salerno wrote:
> Luis M. González wrote:
> > John Salerno wrote:
> >> Luis M. González wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm curious, why it didn't work?
> >>> I sent them an email recently, asking about mod_python support, and
> >>&
, both functions can be viewed like two separate pages within
your site.
So, with only one script, you can write a whole site if you want.
For more complex pages where html is used, you can place this
presentation code in templates, and then import them into your main
script.
Or else, you could s
Cliff Wells wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 22:25 -0700, Luis M. González wrote:
> > I don't have experience with Django or any other python framework, but
> > I have used bare-bones mod_python and it rocks.
> > I wouldn't use PSP though...
> > It is not very
h to find it ;)
>
> Tim Delaney
Is this kind of cleverness what is usually known as "magic"?
I suspect that this has something to do with it, but not completely
sure...
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BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> The Ruby crowd says you guys are no where
> >> near as friendly as them!
>
> Slander! Defamation!
The time to crush our enemies has come.
This is the Jihad! Death to the infidels
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Try this:
import os
os.startfile('cabel.py')
This should work with any program or file, not only python ones.
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ning is at
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-September/056154.html
> .
Check this out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6459339159268485356
Additionaly, you can make a simple Google search: "guido python 3000"
There is quite a lot of information.
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lect * from customers')
result = cur.fetchall()
fields = [i[0] for i in cur.description]
...
Description gives a list with information about your recordset, being
the first item the name of the field.
Hope this helps...
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Chris Brat wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to retrieve details
_Page
Both ebooks are available in multiple formats and are free.
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s. And it brings
some 'heavy' work on disk. The table 'seconds' has 54+ lines right
now.
Can I do something different in order to have a lighter load on the system
and a quicker response?
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tever
> ORDER BY tempounix;
Thank you Stuart, I'll try it.
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> - Python is more readable, and more general purpose
Yes, php is only for web.
On the other hand, Python is a general purpose language and it can be
used for nearly anything you may want to do.
> - PHP has awful backward compatibility
Yes. And it's also an ugly language to work with.
> - PHP
every function for every task, this is
ridiculuous.
I think that even as a general purpose language, python is still much more
adecuate, fast, fun and flexible than php for building web apps.
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walterbyrd ha escrito:
> Luis M. González wrote:
> > the new crop of web frameworks (Django, Turbo Gears, etc...).
> >
> > > - Newer versions of mod_python require Apache 2.0, which few hosters
> > > have
> >
> > You can also get alder versions of mo
Cameron Laird ha escrito:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Luis M. González <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> .
> .
> .
> >Then look no further. Learn python and go kick php developers asses in
Fredrik Lundh ha escrito:
> Luis M. González wrote:
>
> > But as a web development language, it's olnly when people started to
> > look for the "rails killer" and many python alternatives started to
> > come up (although Django has been in development f
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito:
> Luis M. González wrote:
> > Cameron Laird ha escrito:
> > > Perhaps it's timely to clarify the "newer" above: Guido
> > > made Python public in '89-90, and Rasmus showed PHP to
> > > others in '94-95.
&
I didn't know it wasn't a free ebook. I realized it once I downloaded
it.
But it's such a good book that I decided to buy a hard copy.
This way I will support its author, while getting a very good book on
Python.
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d is the column name.
Hope this helps...
Luis
A.M wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> I use a code similar to this to retrieve data from Oracle database:
>
>
>
> import cx_Oracle
>
>
>
> con = cx_Oracle.connect("me/[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
>
> cur = con
on, they could have picked any other one
to discuss.
There's no need to be disagreeable :-)
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d more such advice, where
> can I find them?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mike
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips
Also, I suggest checking Psyco ( http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ ), which
can easily improve your program's speed with no change in your code.
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Fuzzyman wrote:
> FWIW I agree. If anyone didn't want to answer the question they didn't
> need to.
>
> Why be rude to someone asking a polite question. It's not as if there
> isn't much more *worse* noise on this group.
I also agree.
Although the question may have appeared out of place, it wasn'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Scala seems terse and fast enough, few examples:
>
> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=psyco&lang2=scala
>
> Bye,
> bearophile
Static typing, type inference, "sequence comprehensions"...
Looks that there's a new crop of programming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I happen to have delphi, so if someone wants me to make small changes,
> just let me know, I'll try to help
Hmm... now that you offer, would it be possible to have the colors of
text just like in IDLE?
I tried configuring the colors, but some of them don't exist as
Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> ago wrote:
> > I have just discovered Python Scripter by Kiriakos Vlahos and it was a
> > pleasant surprise. I thought that it deserved to be signalled. It is
> > slim and fairly fast, with embedded graphical debugger, class browser,
> > file browser... If you are into grap
Jan Bijsterbosch wrote:
> Hello Luis,
>
> "Luis M. González" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in bericht
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> I happen to have delphi, so if someone wants me to make small changes,
> >>
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> > But semantically it is a proper functional language. The features may
> > not attract Python users who might prefer Boo/Jython/IronPython. But it
> > does offer something to disillusioned Groovy users.
>
> Are they disillusioned? Just wondering.
>
> Diez
Whay talking a
Thomas Guettler wrote:
> There are some things in Python I don't know very well: Decorators and
> generators. But somehow I don't think that I really need them.
I think that I learn best when I have a problem and I'm trying to solve
it.
There are features that you don't know what they're for, and
also recommend:
Josh Cogliati's Python Tutorial for Non-Programmers
A Byte of Python
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work space. I use pyExcelerator to create the Excel files.
How can I do it? Do I need another excel generator?
Client's information about its working directory should be read, but
how? I could only find the way to read the server environment
variables, where data is processed.
Luis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am newbie learning wxPython. I tried using GUI designer called
> wxGlade. When it generated code I couldnt get the same level of
> flexibility as writing the code by oneself.
>
> Any view on what you think about using GUI designer tools.
>
> Every help is appreciated.
Andy Dingley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Python newbie: I've got this simple task working (in about ten
> different ways), but I'm looking for the "favoured" and "most Python
> like" way.
>
> Forwards I can do this
> for t in listOfThings:
> print t
>
> Now how do I do it in reverse? In pa
a template system, like Cheetah (very good)
or its own PSP (python server pages implementation) as a template
system.
It also gives you the best performance (as far as I know, please
correct me if I'm wrong).
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h) and I don't know what's
its current state.
I'm sure that sooner or later, someone will write a binding for the
free SharpDevelop ide.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Luis ,
>
> Thanks for your kindly answer , so you say that installing mod_python
> and a template like chetaah or dyango I can do like as I do with php
> and Apache ?
Do not get confussed:
Django is a complete web development framework, and &quo
Just to give you an idea of what it is, you can check this article:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2004/02/26/python_server_pages.html...
This explains the whole thing much better than I did with my poor
english...
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otepad.exe")
Esto te sirve para abrir cualquier archivo que funcione con cualquier
programa.
Por ejemplo, del mismo modo podés abrir un archivo de word:
os.startfile('miarchivo.doc')
(A propósito, busca en google que me parece que hay una lista de
python en español por ahí, por que
La lista en español esta acá:
http://listas.aditel.org/listinfo/python-es
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Alok wrote:
> While posting a comment on http://www.reddit.com I got an error page
> with the following curious statement on it.
>
> "reddit broke (sorry)"
> "looks like we shouldn't have stopped using lisp..."
>
> See screenshot at
> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1773/1980/1600/reddit-broke.
Alok wrote:
> I was merely describing my experience and inviting others' response
> about theirs.
That's exactly what I'm doing.
> Please don't misconstrue that as a blame on any language.
I think it can be interpreted in many ways.
Now if you're not ready to read other people's oppinions, don'
K.S.Sreeram wrote:
> Have people lost all sense of humor?? Its just reddit's attempt at
> humor! I've rarely seen any server errors on reddit, but even when I do
> see one.. its funny!
>
> Here's another one:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvera/sets/72057594050280833/
>
> Check out their testimon
Alok wrote:
> Luis M. González wrote:
> > Alok wrote:
> > > I was merely describing my experience and inviting others' response
> > > about theirs.
> >
> > That's exactly what I'm doing.
>
> You misinterpret, I was talking about my
. wrote:
> What is the fast way for a fast implementation of Python?
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> http://groups.google.it/group/JSython/
Check this out:
http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html
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ossible to install other scripts on demand,
like cheetah or mysqldb ...?
Well, sorry to ask so many
questions...
I'm just looking for a cheap hosting but it seems
hard to find with these features...
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, it would be great.
Its other goal is making it flexible and easier to develop and mantain.
Note that the project already produced a tool for writing extensions in
rpython that are, in theory, as fast a C extensions. So we can say that
in some way, the speed goal is already achieved.
Luis
2- I tried to build a simple 'if' formula but couldn't. Is it my
problem or pyXLWriter's problem? If the former, is it possible to post
an example?
TIA
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This function works even if I don't add the global.
Just to try this out, I wrote this variant:
gname = 'Luis'
def doIt2(name=None):
if name is None:
name = gname
return name
print doIt2() --> returns Luis.
So, what's the point of writing
nate wrote:
> try this:
>
> gname = 'nate'
> def test():
>gname = 'amy'
>print gname
>
> test()
> print gname
>
> outputs:
> 'amy'
> 'nate'
>
> whereas this:
> gname = 'nate'
> def test():
>global gname
>gname = 'amy'
>print gname
>
> test()
> print gname
>
> outputs:
> 'amy'
>
Markus Wankus wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:41:36 -0400, Luis M. González <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> .
> .
> > OK, so I should include the global only if I plan to modify it.
> > Otherwise, I don't need to include it. Am I right?
> >
>
> Corr
Gregory Piñero escreveu:
> On 7/7/06, Luis P. Mendes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know that pyExelerator is the supported project now, but I can't use
>> it because I'd need it to generate files from a web platform. Since I
>> can not
Waldemar Osuch escreveu:
> Luis P. Mendes wrote:
>> Gregory Piñero escreveu:
>>> On 7/7/06, Luis P. Mendes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I know that pyExelerator is the supported project now, but I can't use
>>&
asking about mod_python support, and
they replied afirmatively, and very quickly. They also said that they
can install other scripts on demand.
But I never tried them though...
I'd like to know more about your experience with this hosting, if
possible.
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owing line:
LoadModule python_module modules/mod_python.so
And finally, if you want, you can set the configurations of the
handler's you want to use with mod_python (they can be publisher, psp,
or any other custom one).
These configurations can be set on this file, or separately on each web
folder as .htaccess files.
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mle
as writing the script and starting the server.
If performance and scalability is an issue, you could try mod_python,
which is an Apache module for running python, but this would require
installing and configuring Apache and mod_python separately.
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atabase-access API for free - but you can still write SQL if
needed."
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Chris wrote:
> Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> > Chris wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Hugunin wrote:
> >>> I'm extremely happy to announce that we have released IronPython 1.0
> >>> today!
> >>> http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm no code guru but it sounds interesting. So can I import numpy,
>
Hi,
I have the following problem:
I instantiate class Sistema from another class. The result is the same
if I import it to interactive shell.
s = Sistema("par")
class Sistema:
def __init__(self, par):
cruza_ema = CruzaEmas(par)
class CruzaEmas(Ema, Cotacoes):
def __init__(self
Rob De Almeida escreveu:
> Luis P. Mendes wrote:
>> Method a() is not called. Why is this? What is the best option to
>> solve this? Have Cotacoes returning values and not to be an ancestor
>> class of CruzaEmas?
>
> It works for me, after rearranging your code a l
html format, that can be
easily opened in MS Word. Cheetah is very easy to use and I highly
recommend it.
Luis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, what is the best unit for creating reports like in Microsoft
> Access, i.e. with page header / footer, grouping, group headers /
> footers etc.
uot;list":
>
> but nothing..
You shouldn't enclose "list" inside quotes.
This is the correct way:
if type(artistList) == list:
do something...
or as someone suggested:
if isinstance(l, list):
do something...
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I second the suggestion of using Boo for this case.
Why use Delphi or VB when you have a more "pythonic" first class .NET
language?
You already have a very good IDE for creating your project
(SharpDevelop), which is free, open source and already has the Boo
bindings included (download here the late
Use "input" to enter numbers, and "raw_input" to enter strings.
For example:
x = input('Enter your age: ')
y = raw_input('Enter your name: ')
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unix time field.
example:
unix time inserted at first row: 1138839839.64456
unix time as retrieved in psql: 1.13884e+09
unix time retrieved by psycopg2: 113884.0
Is this a bug?
I'm using:
Python 2.3.5
in a Debian Sarge box
PostgreSQL 7.4.7
psycopg2-2.0b6
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e the Unix time?
Thank you for your answer.
In python, I use float data type to deal with time values (from
time.time()), for example.
In Postgresql, the unix time field was set up as real. I've changed it
to double precision and it runs fine, now.
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> What is slow? Slow compared to what? Would you prefer to spend three days
> writing a program that will run in twenty milliseconds, or three hours
> writing the same program which runs in eighty milliseconds? Is the
> computer's execution time more important than your deve
Just a few comments...
Database:
As with anything else, try to keep it simple until you need to make it
complex.
Sqlite is the simplier alternative, and it's also the fastest for the
intended use (small number of users, simple selects, etc). MySQL is
also a very good alternative and much more powe
"eval" is not necessary in this case.
If you have a tuple with function names such as this: x=(printFoo,
printFOO)
you can execute them this way:
>>> for f in x:
f()
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>IMO, it's the lack of competing implementations.
I beg to differ in this point.
There are other implementations, but they are not called "python" and
they are not a 100% python in syntax and features.
For example, Boo is 95% python syntax wise, but statically typed.
This fundamental difference ma
Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote:
> Paul Rubin wrote:
> Well. "... the PyPy team works on ..." is definitively much too strong.
> It is more like "... the PyPy team is thinking about ...". It is very
> unclear whether it will work on a technical level and whether the EU
> will allow us to allocate resourc
I don't know if python is Zend.
It's quite minimalistic and it "flows" very well, so I guess it is a...
"Feng-shui" language?
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I do a ^C, and even then, the socket doesn't start to acquire new input.
Any clues you can give me about this?
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g the power cord of the cable modem from the internet and
pluging it in after a while, I could already access sites (http). But
the socket was still down, still with no error raised.
Based on this hypothesis, is there any way for my python program to deal
with this? Any thoughts?
Thanks again.
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Thank you all for your suggestions.
Luis P. Mendes
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For someone expereinced like you, I recommend "Dive into Python". It is
available online.
There's also a very good tutorial which is aimed to both, beginners and
experienced programmers, that can give you a very complete and high
level overview of the python language: "A byte of Python". Also
avail
Hi,
do you know if is there any 'Dive into Python' equivalent for the java
language?
DiP is the best I've seen and I would need to learn some basics of Java
and also ways to interact between the two languages. (I'm already aware
of Jpype and Jython)
Luis
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