On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:18 PM, alister via Python-list
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:41:55 +0100, Paul Moore wrote:
>
>> On 23 October 2017 at 10:32, wrote:
>>> According to this website. This is an uncompressable stream.
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompressible_string
>>>
>>>
On 23 October 2017 at 21:37, John Black wrote:
> Chris, thanks for all this detailed information. I am confused though
> with your database recommendation. You say you teach SQLAlchemy but
> generally use PostgreSQL yourself. I can maybe guess why there seems to
> be this c
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> Hope this helps put the subject into context. Compression is a very
> technical subject, to "do it right". Special cases can be worked out,
> sure, but the "hidden assumptions" in a method are what make the
> difference between a "compression al
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Chris Warrick wrote:
> On 23 October 2017 at 21:37, John Black wrote:
>> Chris, thanks for all this detailed information. I am confused though
>> with your database recommendation. You say you teach SQLAlchemy but
>> generally use Postgr
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 02:40 am, Lele Gaifax wrote:
>
>> Steve D'Aprano writes:
>>
>>> But given an empty file, how do you distinguish the empty file you get
>>> from 'music.mp3' and the identical empty file you get from 'movie.avi'?
>>
>> Tha
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:25 PM, qrious wrote:
>
> Class1 is instantiated in Class2 as follows. Class2 also contains another
> variable, say:
>
> class Class2:
> class1 = Class1()
> a = 0
>
> I want to create a method myDef() in Class1 that can read or write to a. How
> do I access a fr
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Christopher Reimer
wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2017, at 1:49 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>>
>> BTW, I find it hard to believe that PyCharm for the Mac "comes with"
>> Python 2.6. Python 2.6 is quite old. The Linux version isn't bundled
>> with a python interpreter and just
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:05 AM, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote:
> While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see
> submissions containing the following two program lines, even before
> I teach about functions and modules:
>
> if __name__ = '__main__':
> ... main()
>
> When I
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:05 AM, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote:
>> While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see
>> submissions containing the following two program lines, even before
>> I teac
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On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Στέφανος Σωφρονίου
wrote:
> Greetings everyone.
>
> I have noticed that in many if conditions the following syntax is used:
>
> a) if (variable == NULL) { ... }
> b) if (variable == -1) { ... }
> c) if (variable != NULL) { ... }
>
> What I wanted to ask is, is ther
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Rustom Mody writes:
>>Useful python programs are often small; even tiny
>
> We must not forget that tiny programs are just large
> problems with the size masterfully hidden.
>
> For example, the »print« of Python is actually implemented
>
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Piet van Oostrum wrote:
> I am using Python 2.7.14 on MacOS Sierra.
>
> I have a small Python program that calls a shell script in a loop with a
> time.sleep() in it.
> The shell script is called with subprocess.Popen(), followed by a
> subprocess.wait().
> No in
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> You're missing something fundamental about what
> entropy is in information theory.
>
> It's meaningless to talk about the entropy of a single
> message. Entropy is a function of the probability
> distribution of *all* the messages you might
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Gregory Ewing
> wrote:
>> You're missing something fundamental about what
>> entropy is in information theory.
>>
>> It's meaningless to talk about the entropy of a
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>> Well, then one can ask about the entropy of a data source
>> that only is emitting this message.
>
>
> You can, but it's still the *source* that has the entropy,
> not the message.
>
> (And the answer in that case
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Oct 28, 2017 5:53 PM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
>> One bit. It might send the message, or it might NOT send the message.
>
> Not sending the message is equivalent to having a second possible message.
Okay, no
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> =?UTF-8?B?zqPPhM6tz4bOsc69zr/PgiDOo8+Jz4bPgc6/zr3Or86/z4U=?=
> writes:
>>I guess the following parts from "Zen of Python" apply to this case:
>
> If we would agree to apply Python rules to C,
> then we could also use this excerpt from PEP
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> Python has no GOTO, fortunately, but C has at least two, GOTO and LONGJMP. A C
> macro could, if I understand correctly, jump into the middle of another
> function. (Yay for spaghetti code!)
No, I don't think you do understand them correctl
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 02:34 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Steve D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> Python has no GOTO, fortunately, but C has at least two, GOTO and LONGJMP.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 6:26 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> From David Beazley (https://twitter.com/dabeaz/status/925787482515533830):
>
> >>> a = 'n'
> >>> b = 'ñ'
> >>> sys.getsizeof(a)
>50
> >>> sys.getsizeof(b)
>74
> >>> float(b)
>Traceback (most recent call last):
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Wolfgang Maier writes:
>>If you're worried bout having things on separate lines, you could write:
>>import os; os.getcwd()
>>,etc., which is actually saving a few characters :)
>
> Yes, but there still is the risk of the identifier »os«
> al
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:34 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 11/1/17 4:17 PM, MRAB wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-11-01 19:26, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>>
>>> From David Beazley
>>> (https://twitter.com/dabeaz/status/925787482515533830):
>>>
>>> >>> a = 'n'
>>> >>> b = 'ñ'
>>> >>> sys.getsiz
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> [email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes:
>
>> Wolfgang Maier writes:
>>>If you're worried bout having things on separate lines, you could write:
>>>import os; os.getcwd()
>>>,etc., which is actually saving a few characters :)
>>
>> Yes,
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Alexey Muranov wrote:
> Hello,
>
> what do you think about the idea of replacing "`else`" with "`then`" in the
> contexts of `for` and `try`?
>
> It seems clear that it should be rather "then" than "else." Compare also
> "try ... then ... finally" with "try ... els
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 11/1/17 5:12 PM, Alexey Muranov wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> what do you think about the idea of replacing "`else`" with "`then`" in
>> the contexts of `for` and `try`?
>>
>> It seems clear that it should be rather "then" than "else." Compare
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 08:21 am, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> With the 'for' loop,
>> it's a bit more arguable, but I've never seen anything more than a
>> weak argument in favour of 'then&#x
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:42 PM, bartc wrote:
> But if people prefer a different keyword, then why not? I think 'then' can
> be used, without impacting its use as an identifier, because it will always
> be followed by ":". Of course you would need to allow both "else" and "then"
> for backwards co
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Noah wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install a python package with about 80 dependencies on a
> server that is not connected to the internet and has no local proxy. I can
> ssh to it via VPN.
>
> I was able to find python bundle and download the tarballs for all th
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Alexey Muranov wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-11-01 at 21:30 +, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > In languages like Algol 68, »then« is used for a clause
>> > that is to be executed when the main condition of an
>> > if-statement /is/ true, so this might cause some co
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Israel Brewster wrote:
>
> Actually, that saying is about regular expressions, not threads :-) . In the
> end, threads are as good a way as handling concurrency as any other, and
> simpler than many. They have their drawbacks, of course, mainly in the area
> of o
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Israel Brewster wrote:
> I have a Flask/UWSGI web app that serves up web socket connections. When a
> web socket connection is created, I want to store a reference to said web
> socket so I can do things like write messages to every connected
> socket/disconnect
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Israel Brewster wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Israel Brewster
>> wrote:
>>> I have a Flask/UWSGI web app that serves up web socket connections. When a
>>&
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Israel Brewster wrote:
> Gotcha, thanks. The hesitation I have there is that the UWSGI config is a
> user setting. Sure, I can set up my install to only run one process, but
> what if someone else tries to use my code, and they set up UWSGI to run
> multiple? I hate
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 12:32:35 -0800, Israel Brewster
> declaimed the following:
>
>
>>
>>I *must* be thinking about this wrong. Take even a basic chat app that uses
>>websockets. Client a, which connected to process 1, sends a message to
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Alexey Muranov wrote:
> 'Then' describes what happens next indeed, unless some extraordinary
> situation prevents it from happening, for example:
>
>try:
>go_to_the_bakery()
>then:
>buy_croissants(2)
>except BakeryClosed:
>go_to_t
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-11-03, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 03:31 am, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>>> No, it's an obvious bug. You have a 'for...else' with no 'break'.
>>> Like I said, that should probably be a syntax error.
>>
>> It should absolutely n
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Ali Rıza KELEŞ wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yesterday, while working with redis, i encountered a strange case.
>
> I want to ask why is the following `True`
>
> ```
> "s" is b"s".decode()
> ```
>
> while the followings are `False`?
>
> ```
> "so" is b"so".decode()
> "som" is b"
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 02/11/17 20:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> Thank you. I've had this argument with many people, smart people (like
>> Steven), people who haven't grokked that all concurrency has costs -
>> that threads
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> So, all else being equal, which is likely to have more bugs?
>
>
> 1. Multiprocessing code with very little coupling between processes; or
>
> 2. Threaded code with shared data and hence higher coupling between threads?
>
Obviously, option 1
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Alexey Muranov wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 22:03 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Alexey Muranov > com> wrote:
>> > 'Then' describes what happens next indeed, unless some
>> > extraordinar
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 11/03/2017 07:09 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 06:15 am, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>
>>> In fact if you have no break you may as well drop the
>>> else entirely, because the block will always execute.
>>
>> That's incorrect.
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-11-04, Ben Finney wrote:
>> To respond to the criticism of an idea – criticism containing no mention
>> of the person – as though it “clearly refers to the [person]”, is of
>> significant concern on a software dicussion forum such as t
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-11-04, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> On 11/03/2017 09:06 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2017 07:09 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>>
On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 2:31 AM, brandon wallace wrote:
>
> I have this code that tests a server to see if it is listening on port 123
> runs and evaluates to True every time. Even if the server does not exist but
> it is not supposed to do that. I am getting no error message at all. What is
> g
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:06 am, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>
>> On 2017-11-05, Ben Finney wrote:
>>> Jon Ribbens writes:
I've provided you with a way of thinking about 'for...else' that makes
its purpose and meaning intuitively obvious.
>>>
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-11-06, Ben Finney wrote:
>> Jon Ribbens writes:
>>> On 2017-11-05, Ben Finney wrote:
>>> > Jon Ribbens writes:
>>> >> I've provided you with a way of thinking about 'for...else' that makes
>>> >> its purpose and meaning intuitively
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:05 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-11-06, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> If you start with the assumption that "intuitively obvious" doesn't
>> actually mean "intuitively obvious" but actually means something
>> completely d
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:43 AM, John Pote wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have successfully used Python to perform unit and integration tests in the
> past and I'd like to do the same for some C modules I'm working with at
> work. There seem to be a number of ways of doing this but being busy at work
> and
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, bartc wrote:
> On 07/11/2017 00:58, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:43 AM, John Pote
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have successfully used Python to perform unit and integration tests in
>&
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:06 PM, bartc wrote:
> On 07/11/2017 02:23, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, bartc wrote:
>
>
>>> Cython seems very confusing to me.
>>
>>
>
>>
>>> Otherwise what /I/ would look for
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Jon Ribbens
>> wrote:
>>> On 2017-11-04, Ben Finney wrote:
>>>> To respond to the criticism of an idea – critici
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>>sure what your point is. None, False, and True are all keywords, not
>>built-ins, so you can't assign to them (any more than you could assign
>>to a literal integer).
>
> |Python 2.6.6 (r
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> All of these are things that a linter should probably catch and warn
> about. If you had said that the break syntax suggestion was a good
> idea but probably better suited as a linter warning than as a
> SyntaxError integrated into the parser, the
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Ali Rıza KELEŞ wrote:
>> To be more clear here, usually when humans say "identical" they mean having
>> exactly the same value or attributes.
>> Here, Chris means that the two strings are actually the same object rather
>> than
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> I was not referring to the possible future use of yield from for async
> generators; I was referring to the possibility *today* of using "yield
> from" as a synonym for *await*. As far as I know the only major
> obstacle to that is that the author
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
>>> I was not referring to the possible future use of yield from for async
>>> generators; I was referring to
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2017-11-08, Ben Finney wrote:
>> I also think Jon had cause to bristle somewhat at the characterisation.
>> I don't think Jon was attacked by Steve's remark, but I do sympathise
>> with the instinct to feel a criticism as an attack.
>
> Stev
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 5:20 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Except that "yield from" is used by generators to delegate to other
>> generators, and "await" is used by coroutines to delegate to other
>>
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> This reminds me of a classic video clip from a few years ago. The new
> Microsoft "We Share Your Pain" program.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28FkfJiauk
I've never actually seen this before. That's awesome! Thanks for sharing :)
Chr
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
>> If you call an idea arrogant you are necessarily stating that the
>> person espousing the idea is guilty of arrogance - that's what the
>> word means.
>
> Yes: it describes the behaviour. It does not imply characterisation of
> the person.
>
> T
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Rurpy via Python-list
wrote:
> On 11/08/2017 11:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> [...]
>> Please, Jon, accept that we were not deliberately trying
>> to put you down. Steve, if you can clearly state your position on this
>> (possib
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 4:00 AM, bartc wrote:
> On 09/11/2017 16:33, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Rurpy via Python-list
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/08/2017 11:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:17 PM, bvdp wrote:
> I'm having a conceptual mind-fart today. I just modified a bunch of code to
> use "from xx import variable" when variable is a global in xx.py. But, when I
> change/read 'variable' it doesn't appear to change. I've written a bit of
> code to show t
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Edward Montague wrote:
> After successfully installing python 3.6.3 and the appropriate version of
> IDLE ,
> I attempted to run a matchpy example , to no avail .
>
> I'm using a debian distribution , 8.x or greater , is there something I
> need to be aware of .
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 3:58 AM, bvdp wrote:
> Thanks all for confirming that I was wrong to use "from .. import". Hmmm,
> perhaps for functions it might be okay. But, in most cases it's a lot more
> obvious to use module.function() when calling. Maybe a bit slower, but I'm
> sure it's negligib
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> I know that this isn't generally solvable, but I'm wondering if it is
> partially solvable.
>
> I have a task manager which accepts callables, usually functions or
> generators, and calls them on data items as needed. For reasons which,
> f
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Cameron Simpson writes:
>>I would like to inspect submitted functions' signatures for suitability at
>>submission time, without calling the function. For example to see if this
>>function accepts exactly one argument, or to see if it is a gener
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>>>>> wants_one_arg.__code__.co_argcount
>>
>>
>> 1
>>
>>>>> wants_one_arg.__code__.co_varnames
>>
>>
>> ('x',)
>
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> CPython, at least, already has anonymous constant objects. Number and
> string literals are turned into objects when parsed. I presume that all
> implementations do this. Some constant expressions are replaced by
> (constant) objects during
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:29 AM, eth0 wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:04:16 + in comp.lang.python, MRAB said:
>> On 2017-11-16 18:47, [email protected] wrote:
>> > Hello, im working on school project, its deck game Sorry!
>> > I need to create specific lists:
>> > My idea is about to usi
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> It *could* be made to work:
>
> import math
>
> class PI(float):
>
> __doc__ = "The circle constant (Note: tau is better :-)"
>
> math.pi = PI(math.pi)
>
> print(math.pi)
> help(math.pi)
How is THAT an improvemen
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> I don't think he's arguing that help magicly recognises 3.1415926536 as "pi"
> and produces a docstring for it and all "sufficiently close" values. I'm
> not. But the math module has bound "pi" to a specific float. Why _can't_ we
> annotat
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Python wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 09:50:29AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Perhaps what we want is not so much "attach docstrings to floats" but
>> "get documentation for a module attribute, not for the object referred
>
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Python wrote:
> Hello Pythonistas,
>
> I'm starting to play with ctypes, as I'd like to provide Python
> interfaces to a C/C++ library I have. For now I'm just messing with a
> very simple piece of code to get things sorted out. I'm working with
> this example C+
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
>>should
>> help(3.1415926536) #or whatever precision is used in
>> module math
>>produce anything?
>
> That question made me try something else whose output
> surprises me:
>
> |Python 3.7.0 .
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Python wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:47:55AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Python wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 09:50:29AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> >> Perhaps what we want is not
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Python wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 02:19:25PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Python wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:47:55AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 9:42 PM, wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I need to perform a tp on semaphores and shared segments of memory, but I
> have a bit of trouble with the first notion.
A tp? Sorry, not something I'm familiar with.
> We are asked here to use only the IPC system 5 objects that are the shar
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:47 AM, Josh B. wrote:
> Now for the question: Is this useful? I ask because this leads to the
> following behavior:
>
unordered = MyColl([1, 2, 3])
ordered = MyOrderedColl([3, 2, 1])
s = {ordered, unordered}
len(s)
> 1
s = {ordered}
unordere
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> You also have this header set:
>> X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2017 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved.
>> Distribution through any means other than regular usenet
>> channels is forbidden. It is forbidden to publish this
>> article in the world
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Josh B. wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 1:55:26 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> But what you have is the strangeness of non-transitive equality, which
>> is likely to cause problems.
>
> But this is exactly how Python's bui
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>
>> one could change implementations such that applying a docstring to an
>> object _removed_ it from the magic-shared-singleton pool,
>
>
> That's not sufficient, though. Consider:
>
>BUFFER_SIZE = 256
>BUF
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Michael Torrie wrote:
>>
>> You also have this header set:
>>
>>> X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2017 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved.
>>> ... It is forbidden to change
>>> URIs of this article into links...
>
>
> What is "changing a URI into a l
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:27 AM, wrote:
> I would like to have a script that collects data every minute and at the same
> time serve newly collected data as web pages.
>
> Timely collecting data is more important than serving web pages, so
> collecting data should have priority and should never
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> Chris A wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
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>> > Well, then there is some bitter irony in this, so it allows pretty
>> > much everything,
>> > but does not allow me to be
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> Chris A wrote:
>
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris A wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately for the world, you're not the one who decided which
>>
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> I see you manually 'optimise' the look?
> I personally would end with something like this:
>
> def zip_longest(*A, **K):
> value = K.get ('fillvalue')
> count = len(a) - 1
> def sentinel():
> nonlocal count
> if not co
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
>>> I see you manually 'optimise' the look?
>>> I personally would end with something like
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/23/17 2:46 PM, Thomas Jollans wrote:
>>
>> On 23/11/17 19:42, Mikhail V wrote:
>>>
>>> I mean for a real practical situation - for example for an average
>>> Python programmer or someone who seeks a programmer job.
>>> And who does not
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Mikhail V wrote:
> From my above example, you could probably see that I prefer somewhat
> middle-sized identifiers, one-two syllables. And naturally, they tend to
> reflect some process/meaining, it is not always achievable,
> but yes there is such a natural tenden
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Mikhail V wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 4:13 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Mikhail V wrote:
>>> From my above example, you could probably see that I prefer somewhat
>>> middle-sized identifiers, one-t
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:33 AM, wrote:
> hi all
>
> i've just finished my first excursion into artificial intelligence with a
> game less trivial than tictactoe, and here it is in case anybody can offer
> criticism/suggestions/etc
>
Hi!
You don't have a lot of comments or docstrings or anyth
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>>> and in Python in particular, because they will be not only forced to learn
>>> some english, but also will have all 'pleasures' of multi-script e
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> I agree that one should have more choices, but
> people still can't really choose many things.
> I can't choose hyphen, I can't choose minus sign,
> and many tech people would probably want more operators.
> It counts probably not so *big* amount
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 1:05 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 12:13:18 PM UTC-8, Terry Reedy wrote:
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>> Since you did not start with tests or write tests as you wrote code, ...
>
> why on earth would you assume that? instantiate "window" and you'll see it
> works exactly as i intend
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Personally I feel that there should be a law against languages that disallow
> the creation of magic tricks!¡!
I agree. The programming language should also ensure that your program
will terminate eventually, that it is bug-free (this can act
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:00 AM, bartc wrote:
>> Where are your unittests for these unittests?
>
> No, the point of having unit tests is to build confidence that the
> code in question works correctly. It's *possible* that the code is
> broken,
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