of last september
already, you needn't download it because it contains only minor
improvements in the documentation. However, since I've received a
couple of positive reports about successful use of PyVISA (and no
negatives), I finally dare to jump to 1.0 and declare it stable.
Tsch
r backup, I don't want to change that.) What is the best
way to make Python look there?
I tried PYTHONPATH but I had trouble with a Python cron job which
didn't have the proper environment. I could edit site.py manually,
however, I wonder whether there is a cleaner way?
Tschö,
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about other users.
Has Wax exceeded the critical mass so that one can be quite certain
that it will still be maintained, say, next year? (Sincere question
since I don't know.)
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ting Python implementations spring up.
Even worse: In one of them Microsoft is involved.
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(only a physicist) but if
you *need* a bytecode interpreter on top of the CPU interpretation,
it's an interpreted language to me.
I've had such a discussion about TeX already, and my personal
conclusion was that you can defend almost any opinion in that area.
However, one should ensure that
Hallöchen!
bruno at modulix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> I've had such a discussion about TeX already, and my personal
>> conclusion was that you can defend almost any opinion in that
>> area. However
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Carl Friedrich Bolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> My definiton would be that an interpreted language has in its
>> typical implementation an interpreting layer necessary for
>> typical hardwar
which again would have an
effect on what will be considered Pythonic.
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Peter Mayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> My definiton would be that an interpreted language has in its
>> typical implementation an interpreting layer necessary for typical
>> hardware. Of couse, now we could discuss wha
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:15:21 +0100, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>>> And, as someone in this thread has pointed out, it is likely
>>> that your important modern (x86) processor is not natively
>>> ex
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:15:21 +0100, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>>> And, as someone in this thread has pointed out, it is likely
>>> that your important modern (x86) processor is not natively
>>> ex
effectively you
would have changed Python.
Maybe I misunderstood something because I could not follow all of
Kay's text but I think one should not change Python or create a
look-alike to allow for better implementations. The language should
fit my brain rather than an implementation.
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Peter Mayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>>>>> Another example: is Java the bytecode, which is compiled from
>>>>> Java the language, interpreted or not? Even when the HotSpot
>>>>> JIT cuts in?
>&g
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"Kay Schluehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> I'm still afraid of the following scenario: Eventually, people
>> might regard "RPython plus type declarations" (or something
>> sim
posed to import modules after
all, at least not explicitly.
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Sybren Stuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger enlightened us with:
>
>> I already know how to do that in principle. My only concern is
>> distributing the thing, especially for the Windows platform.
>
> Check out distutils and py2exe.
I
oose Python was its set of tools, modules,
and Usenet participants. I don't want to do something manually in
Ruby which I could have had ready-for-use in Python just for
infinitesimally nicer syntax. Probably I'm just too old for
language adventures. Ruby might be good enough for
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Xavier Morel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> Yes, however, this is also true for Python in my opinion.
>
> Ruby's ability to generate DSLs is an order of magnitude better
> than Python's at least.
If good DSL includes mor
dcopy version[*]. It *seems* to me that the
programming interfaces are quite different, so a Gnuplot backend for
matplotlib would be helpful for me.
TschÃ,
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[*] because of the "pslatex" backend, which means that the plot is
typeset by the same LaTeX run as your document --&g
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> On 5/11/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Fernando Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> [...] Matplotlib is very good, has an active developmen
ng equivalent, (at least) I wouldn't call for a Gnuplot
backend anymore.
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measurement programs in Python (I work in a project
making this feasible) with on-line plots with mpl, it'd be nice to
have the possibility to direct them to a file for high-quality
typesetting as well.
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e build-in exceptions whereever
one thinks it's appropriate? Is the definition of module exceptions
derived from "IOError", "TypeError" etc. a good idea? Is there some
sort of style guide for recommended exceptions design in Python?
Thank you!
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jectspace
> and language design patterns. There will be some CPython
> compliance - that's all.
Please could somebody explain to us non-CS people why PyPy could
have speed features CPython can't have?
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Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Please could somebody explain to us non-CS people why PyPy could
>> have speed features CPython can't have?
>
> Does the one-word answer "comp
r: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor
Then it hangs, i.e., I can't input anything. Does anybody know why
this happens?
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Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've installed Python 2.3.5, IDLE 1.0.5 on a Win2k box and have
> fatal Windows errors with a trivial script. You can see a
> screenshot of the problem at
> <http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/torsten.bronger/idle_
ception to keep track of it more easily. However, before leaving
my function I want to restore the old status.
How can this be achieved? Thank you!
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Dave Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> When I add a warning filter with warnings.filterwarnings, how can
>> I get rid of it? I've read about resetwarnings(), but it removes
>> all filters, even those that I didn
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>>>> a = {1: ("a")}
>>>> a[1]
> 'a'
> why not ('a')?
("a") is not a tuple, but ("a",) is.
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vpp43
...
to guarantee that I can access all the routines in vpp43 in the
__del__ method?
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"Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Torsten Bronger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to detect whether the program is being terminated?
>
> See atexit module to register cleanup functions that run *before*
&
this is actually not necessary, because then
all resources are freed anyway. __del__ is called nevertheless.
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--> Peter
| |
| +---> Ian
| |
| +---> Randy
| |
| +---> Clara
|
+---> Paul
|
+---> Mary
|
+---> Arthur
Neither the input data structure nor the output must be exactly like
here but probably you got the
uot; " + "|"
print current_line
if isinstance(item, list):
print current_line[:-1] + "+---> " + item[0]
new_line_columns = line_columns + [line_columns[-1] + 6 +
len(item[0]) // 2]
if i == len(tree) - 1:
de
oding: 8bit
Hallöchen!
I mean, I can work around anything, but is the email package just
rather buggy or do I something completely misguided here? Thanks
for any hints!
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uot;
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
> Hallöchen!
I found the cause of this part of my trouble.
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a thing, or did I miss something?
Any other ideas?
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James Stroud writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> I need some help with finding matches in a string that has some
>> characters which are marked as escaped (in a separate list of
>> indices). Escaped means that they must not be part of any match.
>>
&g
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John Machin writes:
> On May 18, 6:00 am, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> Example string: u"Hollo", escaped positions: [4]. Thus, the
>> second "o" is escaped and must not be found be the
.normalize("NFC", u"\u2126")
> u'\u03a9'
>
> So, OHM SIGN compares equal to GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA. It can't
> be confused with it - it is equal to it by the proposed language
> semantics.
So different unicode sequences in the source code can
l adults. If a maintainer is really
concerned about such a thing, he should write a trivial program that
ensures it. After all, there are some other coding guidelines too
that could be enforced this way but aren't, for good reason.
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Charles Sanders writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> Example string: u"Hollo", escaped positions: [4]. Thus, the
>>>> second "o" is escaped and must not be found be the regexp
>>>> searches.
>&g
ot;myscript.py"],
env = environment,
stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE)
for setting it to UTF-8, however, it didn't work. Any idea on how
to achieve this?
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How can I get a list with all classes defined in the current module?
Thank you!
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be sensible to set it to "" for practical reasons.
As far as I can see, there is no empty text node in XML, so no
ambiguity would occur.
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Aahz writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup
>> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project
>> description, how
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Aahz writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Aahz writes:
>>
>>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup
>>>> langu
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Paul Rubin writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The differences to LaTeX are explained comprehensively on the
>> webpage, and actually LaTeX is the real competitor rather than
>> reStructuredText.
>
> TeX/LateX have been aro
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Evan Klitzke writes:
> On 8/23/07, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup
>> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project
>> description, however, we could ne
are enough aspects about LaTeX that can be done
>> better so that this project is worth being done.
>
> What about ODF ? (http://www.odfalliance.org/) Isn't it a good
> competitor ?
I'd be a nice further backend but I doubt that people want to enter
XML
point for improving the
situation with plain text document markup languages.
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David Boddie writes:
> On Fri Aug 24 11:04:33 CEST 2007, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> Paul Rubin writes:
>>
>>> TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established
>>> standards, as awful as they are. Why do we want ANOTHER markup
>>
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Aahz writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> reStructuredText, AsciiDoc, and some others focus on source code
>> documentation, or on software documentation. In contrast to
>> that, our markup should be suita
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Evan Klitzke writes:
> On 8/23/07, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup
>> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project
>> description, however, we could need
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Jeremy Sanders writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> I don't know exactly what you mean but the answer is probably no.
>> For example, I want the author to state the title, keywords, etc
>> of his document, however, he should not state that he wants the
wrong here?
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John Machin writes:
> On Aug 27, 1:36 am, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a module parser.py in the same directory as the main
>> module. In the main module, I import "parser". On Linux, this
>> works as expected
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John Machin writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> I have a module parser.py in the same directory as the main
>> module. In the main module, I import "parser". On Linux, this
>> works as expected, however on Windows, it imports the stdlib
>> p
oded, too, and the encoding
must contain only lowercase Latin letters, numbers, underscores, and
maybe a little bit more. The result should be more legible than
base64, though.
Has anybody created such a codec already?
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anyway ... would these properties finally be virtual?
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Torsten Bronger writes:
> I'd like to map general unicode strings to safe filename. I tried
> punycode but it is case-sensitive, which Windows is not. Thus,
> "Hallo" and "hallo" are mapped to "Hallo-" and "hallo-", however,
&g
otally agree. I like to use properties. However, Python already
has properties. Their syntax is quite nice in my opinion, and
rather explicit, too. Their only flaw is that they are not
"virtual" (in C++ speak). In other words, you can't pass a "self"
parameter to th
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Alan Isaac writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Their only flaw is that they are not "virtual" (in C++ speak).
>> In other words, you can't pass a "self" parameter to them.
>
> http://www.kylev.com/2004/10/13/fun-wit
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Gabriel Genellina writes:
> En Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:20:45 -0300, Torsten Bronger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi�:
>
>> Torsten Bronger writes:
>>
>>> I'd like to map general unicode strings to safe filename. I
>>> tried punyc
gt;> http://www.kylev.com/2004/10/13/fun-with-python-properties/
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure I get what problem that piece of code is
> supposed to solve, but if I have understood it, the obvious
> solution is to use inheritance, not nasty tricks with lambdas.
Yes, it is the right sol
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Tom Brown writes:
> [...] Python has been by far the easiest to develop in. Some
> people might say it is not "real programming" because it is so
> easy.
I can't believe this. Have you really heard such a statement?
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t of material about Python out there.
You may start on Wikipedia, and you may look for "Python
v. another-language" pages. They are often very informative.
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However, this consumes memory. Is there a better way?
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Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch writes:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:52:57 +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> Is there a portable and simply way to direct file-like IO to
>> simply nothing? I try to implement some sort of NullLogging by
>> saying
>
> `os.
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Carsten Haese writes:
> On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 18:52 +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> Is there a portable and simply way to direct file-like IO to
>> simply nothing? [...]
>>
>> [...]
>
> This might work:
>
> class LogSink(object):
&g
you still have
to override __getslice__ when subclassing from a built-in type,
unless I really don't understand the issue correctly.
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uot;credits" or "license" for more information.
> py> class Bob(object):
This should be Bob(unicode).
> ... def __getitem__(self, *args):
> ... print args
> ...
> py> b = Bob()
> py> b[4:21:2]
> (slice(4, 21, 2),)
> py> b[5:18:21,2:9:2,8,1
Hallöchen!
Steven Bethard writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> [...] It forces people to implement a deprecated function after
>> all. I think the docs should say that you still have to override
>> __getslice__ when subclassing from a bui
e" to doing it this way?
> (memory use,processing ,etc) And have to I check if the modul is
> already loaded?
I use the imp module for this:
try:
file, pathname, description = imp.find_module(full_name)
my_module = imp.load_module(full_name, file, pathname, description)
finally:
f
self.__unicode = super(Excerpt, self).__unicode__()
return self.__unicode
Unfortunately, unicode objects don't have a __unicode__ method.
However, unicode(super(Excerpt, self)) is also forbidden because
super() allows attribute access only (why by the way?).
How does my object get its own valu
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Gabriel Genellina writes:
> On 30 dic, 17:25, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> I sub-classed unicode in an own class called "Excerpt", and now I
>> try to implement a __unicode__ method. In this method, I want to
>> get
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Gabriel Genellina writes:
> On 30 dic, 19:08, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> But then it is not unicode but Excerpt which I don't want. The
>> idea is to buffer the unicode representation in order to gain
iel is probably right
that no real conversion takes place. A mere attribute lookup may
still be cheaper, but only very slightly.
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John Machin writes:
> On Dec 31, 8:08 am, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> But then it is not unicode but Excerpt which I don't want. The
>> idea is to buffer the unicode representation in order to gain
sstr+=r
>> return sstr
>
>
> Learn the ways of the generator expression you must.
>
Stupid me! How could I miss such a lovely feature in the language?
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e SVN tree I'm looking at, nor can I incorporate other
project's code into mine if the indentation method is not the same.
Of course, there is no intrinsic benefit from spaces but it is the
method that has won.
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projects using eight spaces for each indentation level.
If all Python code used tabs, eveybody could use their own
preferences, for both reading and writing code, and interoperability
would be maintained nevertheless.
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Ben Finney writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> [...] the width of a tab is nowhere defined. It really is a
>> matter of the editor's settings.
>
> RFC 678 "Standard File Formats"
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc678.t
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Ben Finney writes:
> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> [...] the width of a tab is nowhere defined. It really is a
>> matter of the editor's settings.
>
> RFC 678 "Standard File Formats"
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc678.t
ring-python-and-powershell-dba-scripting-/
This comparison is about a very narrow field; additionally, it is a
field PowerShell was optimised for.
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e not all returning values
are interesing to me such as
a, b, __ = function_that_returns_three_values(x, y)
However, in loops, I prefer real names, even if the loop variable
isn't used outside.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> Right, that's because I've used "__" where not all returning
>> values are interesing to me such as
>>
>> a, b, __ = function_that_returns_three_values(x,
's not part of the Unicode subsystem,
but I was once irritated that the none-breaking space (codepoint xa0
I think) was included into string.whitespace. I cannot reproduce it
on my current system anymore, but I was pretty sure it occured with
a fr_FR.UTF-8 locale. Is this possible? And who is to
Hallöchen!
John Machin writes:
> On Jan 12, 11:26 pm, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> Slightly off-topic because it's not part of the Unicode
>> subsystem, but I was once irritated that the none-breaking space
on for a couple of years, and it tries to
generate the "minimal" (well, sort of) XML file possible: It uses
the prefixes given in the source XSLT file rather than generating
something, and detects implicitly set namespaces, thus avoiding
spitting them out again. Wouldn't this be an o
>> change the existing list.
>
> Sounds strange.
> In perl we can modify the variable's value like this way:
>
> $ perl -le '
>> $x=123;
>> sub test {
>> $x=456;
>> }
>> test;
>> print $x '
> 456
But here, it is
ot;, yeah.
Well, it is just-in-time-compiled command by command. :o)
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rotocol, .bufsize, .timeout):
>> pass
>
> I like :)
>
> However, you can probably cook up a decorator for this (not
> certain, I'm not a decorator Guru), which is not that much worse.
>
> Still, I'd support that syntax (and the general idea.).
Well,
Hallöchen!
Dustan writes:
> On Jan 27, 12:41 pm, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> Well, you save one or two lines per class. Not enough in my
>> opinion.
>
> Are you referring to the alternate syntax or to the decorator
Hallöchen!
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:04:05 +0100, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>>> Are you referring to the alternate syntax or to the decorator? Either
>>> way, you could be saving 4 or 5 or more lines, if you have enough
>>> arguments.
e because readability falls
drastically. Moreover, there is a Fortran saying: "One person's
constant is another person's variable." The same applies to types
in Python.
Pythons is one way, Ada another way; there is no silver bullet.
Tschö,
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our brain better.
For example, I've never managed to understand this signal-slot idea
of Qt, so I use wxPython. However, many love Qt exactly for this.
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Hallöchen!
Grant Edwards writes:
> On 2008-02-03, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hallöchen!
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> the only remaining are qt4 and wx, i would like to know if one
>>>
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