On Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 17:04 Tim Johnson via Python-list <
[email protected]> wrote:
> I am as of today, getting an import error for mutagen. Mutagen package
> is installed at /root/.local/share/pipx/shared/lib/python3.12/site-packages
> Pip-installed packages that go to /
.)
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ollowing component
> diagram?
>
>
> [image: checkso.PNG]
>
> Could it be improved for better description and readability?
>
>
> Thanks!
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it is here https://i.sstatic.net/ykk5Wd0w.png
Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 20:03, Michael Torrie via Python-list <
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> On 12/24/24 10:27 AM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
> > the diagram is also attached here
>
> This text-only mailin
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On 12/24/24 10:27 AM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
> the diagram is also attached here
This text-only mailing list does not allow attachments, just FYI.
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the purpose of the diagram is to convey a minimalistic idea about the
structure of the code/implementation/software
Le mer. 25 déc. 2024 à 01:49, Thomas Passin via Python-list <
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> On 12/24/2024 3:42 PM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
> > i
mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 21:56, dn via Python-list a
écrit :
> On 25/12/24 06:27, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
> > Hello community,
> >
> > I have created a Python code where a main algorithm uses three different
> > modules (.py) after importing them.
> >
> &g
ted to
> different functionalities) and use their methods accordingly as per the
> requirement: basically the structure of my code and how the modules relate
> to each other.
>
> Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 21:56, dn via Python-list
> a écrit :
>
>> On 25/12/24 06:27,
On 12/24/2024 4:08 PM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
The full python package (pypi) being represented as the outermost frame
here including the 4 sub-frames)
Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 22:05, marc nicole a écrit :
I want to convey the idea that main.py (main algorithm) imports 3 modules
(V
marc nicole via Python-list ezt írta (időpont:
2024. dec. 24., K 22:09):
> The full python package (pypi) being represented as the outermost frame
> here including the 4 sub-frames)
>
> Le mar. 24 déc. 2024 à 22:05, marc nicole a écrit :
>
> > I want to convey the id
On 12/24/2024 3:42 PM, marc nicole via Python-list wrote:
it is here https://i.sstatic.net/ykk5Wd0w.png
This diagram does not make much sense to me:
1. What is the purpose of the diagram and who is it intended for?
2. A module and an algorithm are different kinds of things, yet they are
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
wrote:
> It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:
>
> 1) "cnf" is using OS python
> 2) os "root" python
> 3) using **my** local non-root library
Yes. And YOU were the one wh
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:52:23 +0400
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer via Python-list wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I have been following discussions on Discourse (discuss.python.org)
> these last times.
>
> I think that it definitely lacks some of the joys of the mailing list:
>
>
int to it but I can't see
> any further issues with doing this.
>
> Anything else? As far as I can see using pipx doesn't help me at
> all (see recent thread here).
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On 2025-01-14, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> Yes, thanks all, maybe just straightforward curses is the way to go.
> Looking at some of the 'cleverer' ones they end up looking remarkably
> like GUI code, in which case I might as well use a GUI.
The source code to config
On 15/01/2025 00:54, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> are your friend. If that's not sophisticated enough the gnu "readline"
> library with a simple command processor is a common next step.
On that front the cmd module in Python is often overlooked
but is useful for
Op 11/01/2025 om 15:28 schreef Chris Green via Python-list:
I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
i.e. for use with non-GUI programs that one runs from the command
prompt in a terminal window running a bash shell or some such.
What I'm specifically afte
ld be great to
make it work from this script.
Thanks in advance
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On 1/10/25 11:32, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
,,, snipped
Below is the pertinent code:
Popen(choice, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE,
stdin=PIPE, close_fds=True)
My guess is my argument list is either insufficient or an argument is
causing the problem, but am unsure of
Alan Gauld writes:
> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
>
> The standard package for this is curses which comes as part
> of the standard library on *nix distros.
The thing about c
On 15/01/2025 00:41, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
> Alan Gauld writes:
>> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
>>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input,
>>
>> The standard package for this is curses whi
ath. Marc-Andre Lemburg
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s a very good "mailing list" mode. I use it that was >90% of
> the time, and file both posts from Discourse and posts from python-list
> into my "python" mail folder.
Yes, it's the one saving grace of a Discourse forum, you can use it by
E-Mail and it behaves
/python-list
u3.4 amd64
[installed]
libssl3t64/noble-updates,noble-security,now 3.0.13-0ubuntu3.4 amd64
[installed,automatic]
libxmlsec1t64-openssl/noble,now 1.2.39-5build2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
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On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 9:35 AM Vincent Vande Vyvre via Python-list
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> Hi,
>
> Trying to compile Python-3.12.9 on Ubuntu-24.04
>
> The compilation is complete without errors
nd atrocious error handling.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 5:51 PM Vincent Vande Vyvre via Python-list
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>
> >
> > In case this helps you find the correct package to install:
> >
> > $ python3 -c "if True:
> > > import ssl
> > > print('
.
`dpkg -l libssl-dev` will tell you whether you have it.
If you don't, `sudo apt-get install libssl-dev` will install it.
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On 2/16/2025 4:00 PM, Jan Erik Moström via Python-list wrote:
On 16 Feb 2025, at 20:59, dn via Python-list wrote:
When stop to think about it, this is quite a request:
don't give me what I do know,
do give me what I don't know!
😜
That said, you are correct: the bulk of new pu
to the Makefile.
I don't think this is a new issue in 3.14.0a5; that's just where
I happened to run into it.
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creating XMPP bots, based on the
module Slixmpp, and perhaps also for IRC and MQTT.
I do not know how to design a framework yet.
I would appreciate guidance.
Kind regards,
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ons that Slixmpp provides.
https://bpa.st/PDNA.
Please advise.
Regards,
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:24:29 +0200
Schimon Jehudah via Python-list wrote:
> Good day!
>
> My name is Schimon, and I create software in a form of XMPP contacts
> (i.e. bots) with chat and visual interfa
The reason it doesn't happen very often is that package
maintainers kind of trust each other to be nice. There aren't really
any safeguards to prevent malicious actors from doing this, but you
would have to want to install their package for some reason.
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On 4/17/25 15:15, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
Also... when installing stuff with pip --user, it is always a package
that is not installed for the system (usually not even available for
the system). How can that "break system pac
~schapps/journal/2025-04-20-slixfeed-gemini-and-twtxt.gmi', query='',
fragment='')
>>>
>>>
https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/Slixfeed/src/branch/master/slixfeed/parser/gmi.py
Is this a problem with the module urljoin?
To whom should reports about such concern be conveyed?
Please advise.
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On 4/19/2025 4:56 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-18 13:08:36 -0400, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 4/18/2025 11:38 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann
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On 2025-04-17, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
>> Also... when installing stuff with pip --user, it is always a package
>> that is not installed for the system (usually not even available for
>> the system). How can that "break system packages"?
>
> pip insta
On 4/18/2025 11:38 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
There's just not a really great answer to this.
Seems to me a system-installed application shouldn't be look
and Gopher.
gemini://woodpeckersnest.space/~schapps/journal/2024-05-28-censoring-gemini-and-gopher.gmi
Schimon
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 15:33:52 +0100
"Henry S. Thompson" wrote:
> Schimon Jehudah via Python-list writes:
>
> > Yesterday, I have added support for a new syndication f
install* command. Is this expected behavior? I
wanted Sphinx to be installed in the virtual environment so that it would
be accessible to all users of the virtual environment.
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On 4/13/2025 7:10 PM, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
> I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu
Linux 24.04*
> .
> The version of Python was compiled from source code and installed
with make
> altinstall. I at
On 4/15/2025 5:38 PM, rbowman via Python-list wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:12:19 -0400, Thomas Passin wrote:
On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
without --user. Pip will
On 2025-04-16, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
> On 4/15/25 16:07, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
>>> site
Op 15/04/2025 om 20:31 schreef Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
To be clear: you do not have to activate a virtualenv to use *Python*
from it. If you just call the python by the path it's in, it figures
everything out (and sets some variables you can query vi sysconfig if
you have reas
On 4/17/2025 4:58 AM, Roel Schroeven via Python-list wrote:
Op 15/04/2025 om 20:31 schreef Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
To be clear: you do not have to activate a virtualenv to use *Python*
from it. If you just call the python by the path it's in, it figures
everything out (and sets
before I realised that the lists non_hierarchical, uses_query
and uses_fragment are not used. With only three options instead of six, making
a strategy object is not quite as attractive. But still worth considering.
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On 4/15/25 10:43, Friedrich Romstedt via Python-list wrote:
Many people put emphasis on that you need to *activate* a virtualenv before
using it, but no-one so far stressed the fact that you got Sphinx installed
to ~/jonathan/.local/lib/python3.13/site-packages *without using *--user.
To be
On 4/15/2025 12:43 PM, Friedrich Romstedt via Python-list wrote:
Am Mo., 14. Apr. 2025 um 01:14 Uhr schrieb Jonathan Gossage via Python-list
:
I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu Linux
24.04*
.
[...]
Instead, it was
installed into the site-packages directory in
On 4/15/2025 3:41 PM, dn via Python-list wrote:
Various responses have been provided but the OP has not yet replied on-
list (as verified by Archive). Is this an error with the list-processor
or have some posts been sent to one person only (using Reply instead of
ReplyList)?
There are always
Am Mo., 14. Apr. 2025 um 01:14 Uhr schrieb Jonathan Gossage via Python-list
:
> I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu Linux
> 24.04*
> .
> [...]
> Instead, it was
> installed into the site-packages directory in
> */home/jonathan/.locals/lib/pyt
venv's active script (with the ~ expanded to the path of his home
directory).
(I'm relatively new at this. Please let me know if I've gotten any of
the details wrong.)
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On 4/14/2025 6:20 PM, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
Thomas Passin writes:
[...]
To activate a venv, you have to source its activate script, which is
in the venv. First you have to mark it as executable. Then you source
it -
source ~/venv/gf4/bin/activate
[...]
No, you don't ha
On 4/14/2025 6:20 PM, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
Thomas Passin writes:
[...]
To activate a venv, you have to source its activate script, which is
in the venv. First you have to mark it as executable. Then you source
it -
source ~/venv/gf4/bin/activate
[...]
No, you don't ha
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On 4/15/25 16:07, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
without --user. Pip will
On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
> site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
> without --user. Pip will emit a message saying so. Well, that used to
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 at 16:50, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> > On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > > There's just not a really great answer to this.
> >
> > Seems to me a
your program though. If the program crashes
because of it, it's a bug in Python.
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 7:00 AM Bob van der Poel via Python-list
wrote:
>
> Did something change in python buggering up my use of a "\ " sequence in a
> triple quoted string?
>
> I have y
ontributed by Victor
> Stinner in gh-98401.)
>
> Found in:
> https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.12.html#other-language-changes
>
> It's not supposed to crash your program though. If the program crashes
> because of it, it's a bug in Python.
>
> On Thu, May 8, 202
On 2/16/25 18:40, Salvador Mirzo via Python-list wrote:
Jan Erik Moström writes:
On 16 Feb 2025, at 20:47, rbowman via Python-list wrote:
David Beasley's 'Python Distilled'. The author doesn't enumerate Python 3
features specifically but as the title suggests hits th
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ndependant
code, which your linker (apparently) requires for a specific type of relocation.
[snip]
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were so many reasons... Funny is that the only real reason I really
have for no reading on-screen is that I just don't want to.
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.13.a
ld: error: relocation R_X86_64_32 cannot be used against local symbol;
recompile with -fPIC
>>> defined in /usr/local/lib/libpython3.13.a(thread.o)
>>> referenced by thread_pthread.h:441 (Python/thread_pthread.h:441)
>>> thread.o:(PyThread_allocate_lock) in archive
>>> /usr/local/lib/libpython3.13.a
ld: error: too many errors emitted, stopping now (use --error-limit=0 to see
all errors)
clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see
invocation)
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
===> Compilation failed unexpectedly.
Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes and rebuild before reporting the failure to
the maintainer.
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I think Python compiles with fPIC by default. Something else had
happened to the OPs checkout that caused these errors. OP needs to
better describe what they were doing to properly understand the
problem.
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= Person.selectBy(lname="Doe")[0]
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>>> pc
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> Sincerely,
> Praveen Kumar
> Mob: +91 9515531643
>
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, 03:52 Thomas Passin via Python-list, <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2025 5:29 AM, Praveen Kumar via Python-list wrote:
>> > Hi Python community and members,
>>
olve this?
Extending my request you to kindly help me out of this error and give me
the root cause of this problem.
*Kind regards, *
*Sincerely,*
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On 3/8/2025 5:29 AM, Praveen Kumar via Python-list wrote:
Hi Python community and members,
I hope this email finds you well, I want you to be assisted in resolving
this following issue. kindly look at the below concern,
"""I’m running into an error where I get a 'This app
Passin via Python-list, <
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> On 3/8/2025 5:29 AM, Praveen Kumar via Python-list wrote:
> > Hi Python community and members,
> >
> > I hope this email finds you well, I want you to be assisted in resolving
> > this following issue. kindl
still persisted.
Kind regards,
Sincerely,
Praveen Kumar
Mob: +91 9515531643
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, 03:52 Thomas Passin via Python-list, mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 3/8/2025 5:29 AM, Praveen Kumar via Python-list wrote:
> Hi Python community and membe
ython.exe and
python do evoke the cited error.
Kind regards,
Praveen
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, 17:56 Thomas Passin via Python-list, <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/8/2025 10:47 PM, Praveen Kumar wrote:
> > Hi Thomas and team,
> >
> > It's worked In non-admin pr
On 3/9/2025 3:16 PM, Gilmeh Serda via Python-list wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:59:51 +0530, Praveen Kumar wrote:
"C:\Users\Bharath\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python313\python.exe"
Is that an approved location for executables?
Yes, that's where a python.org install normal
On 3/10/25 10:08, Praveen Kumar via Python-list wrote:
Hi Matt,
I pointed out onething that related to the errors, what I pointed out is I
just gone through the system 32 path in c drive and I found the python
executive and other python files indicating 0 kb, and I deleted these exe,
since
aveen Kumar,
wrote:
> Yes,
>
> I have 24.3.1 version of pip in my win 11 device, there is a new version
> of pip available, 25.0.1
>
> Shall I upgrade that?
>
> Kind regards,
> Praveen
>
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, 03:04 Thomas Passin via Python-list, <
> python-list
Is that an approved location for executables?
May I know? What do you mean by approved location?
Kind regards,
Praveen
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, 01:25 Gilmeh Serda via Python-list, <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:59:51 +0530, Praveen Kumar wrote:
>
> >
Yes,
I have 24.3.1 version of pip in my win 11 device, there is a new version of
pip available, 25.0.1
Shall I upgrade that?
Kind regards,
Praveen
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, 03:04 Thomas Passin via Python-list, <
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> On 3/9/2025 3:16 PM, Gilmeh Serda via Py
On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 8:33 PM meejah via Python-list <
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> Hello,
>
> I am happy to announce that magic-wormhole 0.18.0 has been released.
> A visible change is the default display of QR Codes, following the
> specification for file-transfer
Jan Erik Moström writes:
> On 16 Feb 2025, at 20:47, rbowman via Python-list wrote:
>
>> David Beasley's 'Python Distilled'. The author doesn't enumerate Python 3
>> features specifically but as the title suggests hits the important
>> concepts.
>
&
On 2/16/25 05:50, Jan Erik Moström via Python-list wrote:
I'm looking for a book that would teach me the lastest and greatest parts of
Python, does anyone have any recommendations?
I've looked at python.org and pythonbooks.org but I couldn't decide which one
to get.
I used to
fast. So I keep it
> all online now.
It's much more pleasurable (to me) to read books off-screen.
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"lie"
means to you, but I suggest that it explains the harsh reaction to
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> But the message doesn't say it's an error. It uses the word "warning",
> not "error". You're tilting at a straw horse here.
Read the associate release note.
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irony, that was the larger goal, than to immediately presume you are
being attacked, and start retaliating instead of looking into the
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On Mon, 12 May 2025 at 01:24, Left Right via Python-list
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>
> But, sure, go ahead, foam at the mouth, if it
> makes you feel better about it.
Projecting, much?
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Oh, so this is where 4chan relocated after they were hacked?
What a refined discussion!
On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:28 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 May 2025 at 01:24, Left Right via Python-list
> wrote:
> >
> > But, sure, go ahead, foam at the mouth, if it
>
then. Prove it. You're all hot air and opinions and bluster.
> Show some actual code, and show that you can do right what you're
> complaining that Python has done wrong.
>
> I'm not holding my breath.
>
> ChrisA
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I've lost count by now. Probably fewer than hundred times though.
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Hahah... what a pile of rubbish. The point is that the error is wrong.
It cannot be a syntax error and at the same time the program compiles.
You need to choose one. But, sure, go ahead, foam at the mouth, if it
makes you feel better about it.
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ly care. All it really proves is
> that you have zero respect for anyone else.
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> ChrisA
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traw horse here.
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. It makes the discussion easier to follow, especially for
those of us who read the comp.lang.python Usenet newsgroup rather
than the mailing list.
I do not intend to reply further.
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hat I said. Currently it's a warning. If and
when it becomes an error, presumably the grammar documentation will be
updated to reflect that. If it isn't, you'll have cause to complain, but
not before.
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May 11, 2025 at 12:11 PM Peter J. Holzer via Python-list
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> On 2025-05-08 08:05:54 +0200, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
> > Also, it appears that the change linked above is a lie:
>
> Such strong words ...
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> > https://docs.python.org/3/
On Sun, 11 May 2025 at 20:38, Left Right via Python-list
wrote:
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> My comment was more of an irony really. It's plenty obvious that the
> grammar is a lie. The reason is that it's tedious to put the actual
> intender rules into the grammar, and so whoever wrote the gr
On 05/11/2025 6:36 AM EDT Left Right via Python-list
<[1][email protected]> wrote:
Then it just means that the grammar lies. The two claims are mutually
exclusive, so either one is a lie or the other or both.
No, it more points out that not all erro
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