te out the full object
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> Where I can ask python developers for a new feature?
>
> This feature would allow us to create short aliases for long object paths,
> similar to the with statement. This would make code more readable and
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possible with
Python and with that 'simple_websocket_server' package used?
Thanks for any hints (or search keywords, or code samples)!
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foo: Default[str, "bar"] would be equivalent to foo: Optional[str] = "bar"
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 10:07, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
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> I am pondering about writing a client/server software with
> websockets as communication protocol. The clients will run
> in browser as Javascript programs and the server may be in
> any (any sensible) progr
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 10:11, Matthew Carruth via Python-list
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> We have the `Optional[T]` type as a short-hand for Union[T | None] and
> telling us that said argument may not be present.
>
> However, I find that a majority of the time, we also want to set a default
>
and I also appreciate your offer
and will probably come back soon with a question... - Thanks again!
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(valid) code ...
In Python a distinction can be made between "runnable" and "valid" :-D
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hat inspects the annotations at runtime and makes whatever changes it
likes, but that's part of what I described as "shenanigans".
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ttributeError: print('first instantiation'); self.initialized = True
and then changing that to
>>> try: self.initialized:bool
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zed:bool
But that's not equivalent code. You might just as well say that the
ellipsis here suddenly changes the code:
self.initialized
self.initialized = ...
These are completely different, and they behave differently. Both are
valid, but they mean different things.
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> > >>> True
> >
> > and then changing that to
> >
> > >>> try: self.initialized:bool
>
> But that's not equivalent code.
I learned as much (RHS vs LHS).
But it did not _intuitively_ resonate with the sentiment
"type annotation does not change the running of code".
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ivalent code.
>
> I learned as much (RHS vs LHS).
>
> But it did not _intuitively_ resonate with the sentiment
> "type annotation does not change the running of code".
Unfortunately, that simply means that your intuition was wrong. It
doesn't change my prior statement.
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> You can actually just do that with simple assignment!
>
> short_view = my_object.stuff.long_stuff.sub_object
> print(short_view.some_method())
but then have to delete the variable manually
del short_view
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need yet another? Yes, you can create one of those ways but what
is the big deal with deleting a variable when no longer used?
Examples might be the "finally" clause or the "with" statement or just
putting the variable in a nested scope.
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if "i"
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io.TextIOWrapper name='/dev/null' mode='r' encoding='UTF-8'>
>>> print(f)
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Op 20/10/2023 om 5:16 schreef Bongo Ferno via Python-list:
On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:26:52 PM UTC-3, [email protected] wrote:
> There are many ways to make transient variables that disappear at some time
> and do we need yet another? Yes, you can create one of those ways bu
e time implementing the server. :-)
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> On 19.10.2023 01:23, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > Broadly speaking, your ideas are great. Any programming language CAN
> > be used for the server (and I've used several, not just Python).
>
On 10/19/2023 11:16 PM, Bongo Ferno via Python-list wrote:
On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:26:52 PM UTC-3, [email protected] wrote:
There are many ways to make transient variables that disappear at some time
and do we need yet another? Yes, you can create one of those ways but what
is the
On 2023-10-20, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 22:31, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
> wrote:
>>
>> On 19.10.2023 01:23, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> >
>> > Broadly speaking, your ideas are great. Any programming language CAN
>> > be us
volved
is not a big deal. Python is an interpreted language that makes one pass but
there are languages that make multiple passes through the code and allow things
like defining a function after it has been called. That is not pythonic.
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On 10/19/23 19:32, Bongo Ferno via Python-list wrote:
>
>> You can actually just do that with simple assignment!
>>
>> short_view = my_object.stuff.long_stuff.sub_object
>> print(short_view.some_method())
>
> but then have to delete the variable manually
>
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Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
> I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in
> a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write
> a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run th
Larry Martell via Python-list schreef op 21/10/2023 om 15:01:
I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in
a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write
a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run that
file, but that seems messy
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400
> Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
>
> > I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in
> > a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do t
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:32:03 -0400
Larry Martell wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400
> > Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
> >
> > > I have a python script, and from that
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:10 PM Johannes Findeisen wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:32:03 -0400
> Larry Martell wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400
> > > La
On 10/21/2023 11:32 AM, Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Johannes Findeisen wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:01:18 -0400
Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in
a subprocess in a venv. What
e I'm
lacking experience. And that lead me to have a look at Python,
since the web-sockets/server examples that I found looked simple.)
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 at 04:13, Janis Papanagnou via Python-list
wrote:
> I have a couple decades experience with about a dozen programming
> languages (not counting assemblers). Asynchronous processing, IPC,
> multi-processing, client/server architectures, multi-threading,
> semaphor
On 10/21/23 07:01, Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
I have a python script, and from that I want to run another script in
a subprocess in a venv. What is the best way to do that? I could write
a file that activates the venv then runs the script, then run that
file, but that seems messy. Is
}]
How are you feeling?
#for $person in $people
$person['name'] is $person['mood']
#end for
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Can someone explain what I am doing wrong?
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, low latency
Depending on your requirements, other web servers might be preferable.
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This message:
NameError: name 'Pnt' is not defined. Did you mean: 'PNT'?
is unfortunate, because you have a very similar "PNT" name in scope. But
it isn't what you want.
Cheers,
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hy (at
least from my perspective) working in unix environment is so much more pleasant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy>
Regards,
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> On 24 Oct 2023, at 15:22, o1bigtenor via Python-list
> wrote:
>
> Greetings
&g
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is
> supposed to do even before all the hardware has been assembled and
> installed and tested?
It depends on what you mean by "verify ...". If you want to prov
maybe the hardware is faulty, etc.
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On 2023-10-24, Dan Purgert via Python-list wrote:
> On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor wrote:
>> Greetings
>>
>> (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for
>> a complex question.)
>> [...]
>> Is there a way to verify that a program is g
On 10/24/2023 8:22 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
Greetings
(Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for
a complex question.)
I have been using computers for a long time but am only beginning my
foray into the
galaxy of programming. Have done little to this
On 2023-10-24, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> Something less ambitious than a full proof of correctness of an
> arbitrary program can sometimes be achieved. The programming team
> for the Apollo moon mission developed a system which, if you would
> write your requirements
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> So how does one test software then?
That's what customers are for!
[Actually, that's true more often than it should be.]
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On 24/10/2023 22:51, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>>> Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is
>>> supposed to do even before all the hardware has been assembled and
>>> installed and tested?
> And the specified customer requiremen
On 25/10/2023 00:08, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> So how does one test software then?
Testing is very different to proving!
As an industry we do a lot of testing at many different levels.
On bigger projects you'll find:
- Unit tests - testing small fragments of a bigger
On 10/24/2023 7:15 PM, o1bigtenor wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 6:09 PM Thomas Passin via Python-list
wrote:
snip
By now you have read many responses that basically say that you cannot
prove that a given program has no errors, even apart from the hardware
question. Even if it could be
hird party who might be able
to help you with the open-source software.
Unless your project accepts the realities, why start?
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 12:11, Thomas Passin via Python-list
wrote:
> This doesn't mean that no program can ever be proven to halt, nor that
> no program can never be proven correct by formal means. Will your
> program be one of those? The answer may never come ...
Indeed,
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 12:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list
wrote:
> Consider an example of bit rot. I mean what if your CPU or hard disk has a
> location where you can write a byte and read it back multiple times and
> sometimes get the wrong result. To be really cautions, you might
> 953433230
>
> The above works because in CPython list.sort() currently uses only the <
> operator; adding __gt__() and __eq__() to make this portable is
> straightforward even if you do not use the functools.total_ordering class
> decorator.
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Something like `sorted(my_list, key = lambda x, y: x+y > y+x)`?
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 13:02, Mike H via Python-list
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> Is it possible to use lambda expression instead of defining a `Key` class?
> Something like `sorted(my_list, key = lambda x, y: x+y > y+x)`?
Look up functools.cmp_to_key.
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your
source code in the original language, that can open up ways others might
find ways to break it, more so than a compiled program that you only can
read in a more opaque way.
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On 10/24/2023 7:37 PM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
On 2023-10-24, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
Something less ambitious than a full proof of correctness of an
arbitrary program can sometimes be achieved. The programming team
for the Apollo moon mission developed a system
On 2023-10-22 7:35 PM, Dieter Maurer via Python-list wrote:
The web server in Python's runtime library is fairly simple,
focusing only on the HTTP requirements.
You might want additional things for an HTTP server
exposed on the internet which should potentially handle high trafic
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 19:00, Frank Millman via Python-list
wrote:
> 2. Instead of running as a stand-alone server, run my app as a
> reverse-proxy using Nginx. I tested this a few years ago using Apache,
> and it 'just worked', so I am fairly sure that it will work with Ngi
potential to be of value.
It's all a question of how much time it saves with earlier detection
of bugs versus how much it costs you in pacifying the tool. Some are
better than others.
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ock, the more efficient, but if there are too many errors you will
lose data. So there's a tradeoff.
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mockup hardware you do not yet have.
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p as a
>reverse-proxy using Nginx. I tested this a few years ago using Apache,
>and it 'just worked', so I am fairly sure that it will work with Nginx
>as well. Nginx can then provide the additional functionality that Dieter
>has mentioned.
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wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24 AM Dieter Maurer wrote:
> >
> > o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-24 07:22 -0500:
> > > ...
> > >Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is
>
development.
Search for other alternatices.
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o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 07:50 -0500:
>> There are several others,
>> e.g. "ECLIPSE" can be used for Python development.
>
>Is 'Eclipse' a Windows oriented IDE?
No.
==> "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software)"
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On 2023-10-25, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Haven't heard of a python IDE - - - doesn't mean that there isn't such - -
> just that I haven't heard of such. Is there a python IDE?
Seriously? Now you're just trolling.
google.com/search?q=python+ide&am
On 10/25/2023 9:21 AM, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 10/25/2023 8:50 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dieter Maurer
wrote:
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer
wrote:
...
There are different kinds of
uot; in my favorite search engine
(=> "ecosia.org") and the second hit gave:
"https://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/pydev-python-ide-eclipse";.
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that can
interact with the main program to twiddle the knobs and such, and ensure
it's doing what was specified). Alternatively, you have to program your
hardware and test directly on that.
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ou use Exception. Use e.g. RuntimeException to
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On 10/25/23 05:51, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Looks like I have another area to investigate. (grin!)
> Any suggestions?
Seems to me you're trying to run before you have learned to walk.
Slow down, go to the beginning and just learn python, write some code,
see if it runs.
ything, what do
developers using Python do to try to make sure they get properly paid and
others do not just use their work without permission?
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Cc: Chris Angelico ; python-list@python.
#x27;
>>> p2 = Person.get(1)
>>> p2
>>> p is p2
True
Queries::
>>> p3 = Person.selectBy(lname="Doe")[0]
>>> p3
>>> pc = Person.select(Person.q.lname=="Doe").count()
>>> pc
1
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On 25/10/2023 12:44, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Haven't heard of a python IDE - - - doesn't mean that there isn't such - -
There are literally dozens with varying degrees of smartness.
The big 4 all have Python plugins/environments:
Eclipse, Netbeans, VisualStudio
On 10/25/2023 8:50 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dieter Maurer wrote:
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer wrote:
...
There are different kinds of errors.
Some can be avoided by using an
oks quite inelegant. Like I said, I have a lot to learn.
>
>From what you've described of your problem, it seems like a small-ish
utility program you're writing for your own use. You don't need any
`try`...`except` blocks in such code. You just let the exception stop
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On 10/25/2023 9:20 AM, Michael F. Stemper via Python-list wrote:
On 24/10/2023 17.50, Thomas Passin wrote:
The programming team for the Apollo moon mission developed a system
which,> if you would write your requirements in a certain way, could
generate correct
C code for them.
Since
On 10/25/2023 11:49 AM, rsutton via Python-list wrote:
On 10/25/2023 11:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
[email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes:
outer quotation marks) prints some prominent exception types. After
manually removing those that do not seem to apply, I am left with:
"Assertion
inding linux related information on the
> website.)
Not at all. As I recall, it's entirely written in Java, so basically
entirely platform-independent already.
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wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00AM Dieter Maurer
wrote:
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer
wrote:
...
There are different kinds of
ed and new features ofteh added and just fixing one bug can break other
parts so you would need to verify things over and over and then freeze.
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To: python-list@
On 10/26/2023 7:50 AM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:10 AM Dieter Maurer wrote:
o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 08:29 -0500:
...
It would appear that something has changed.
Went to the Eclipse download page, downloaded and verified (using sha-512).
Expanded
if the code works and you like it the
> way it is.
>
> pylint complains because you use Exception. Use e.g. RuntimeException to
> silence it.
Ingrid says it's a RuntimeError, not RuntimeException.
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PC? That makes a big difference in where you go to
get help and what kind of help we can provide here.
> Oh well - - - I am working on things!
That is good. I wish you success.
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n may not be possible or easy.
But the MicroPython lists and forums will know more about that than I
do. But there are some nice IDEs for developing code in MicroPython and
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On 10/26/23 03:04, Rene Kita via Python-list wrote:
Rene Kita wrote:
rsutton wrote:
Hi all,
I am fairly new to python (ie < 2 years). I have a question about
pylint. I am running on windows 10/11, python 3.10.11.
[...]
if p.returncode >= 8:
raise Exception(f&#
On 10/26/2023 4:25 PM, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:43 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list
wrote:
On 10/26/23 06:34, o1bigtenor wrote:
Interesting - - - - ". . . see if it runs." - - - that's the issue!
When the code is accessing sensors there is
On 2023-10-26, o1bigtenor wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:19 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list
> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/25/23 05:51, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
>> > Looks like I have another area to investigate. (grin!)
>> > Any suggestions?
>>
>
.
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To: Michael Torrie
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Subject: Re: Question(s)
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:19 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list
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>
> On 10/25/23
On 10/26/2023 6:36 PM, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote:
I am not one for IDLE worship, Tenor. But if you have been getting a message
here, it is that there are an amazing number of programs that support your use
of python during the development phase and perhaps later. I actually often use
an
can follow what it is doing, presents special
challenges.
Now if he ever wants to read in a .CSV file and analyze the data and make
graphs and so on, I might chime in. For now, I am dropping out.
Avi
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Sent
someone is insisting on being instructed how to
drive a race car in a race when he's only got a learner's permit. You
just have to go through the experience of actually driving on streets
and in traffic first. There is no substitute.
TomP
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re this is going wrong? I thought it should be
enough that the packages with the metadata is available via PYTHONPATH,
but this seems not to be sufficient. So I must be overseeing something.
Cheers,
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ame__ == "__main__":
app()
This is the first time I have used typer, so it is more than likely that
I have made some mistakes.
Cheers,
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on_callback),
> ):
> pass
>
> if __name__ == "__main__":
>
> app()
>
> This is the first time I have used typer, so it is more than likely that
> I have made some mistakes.
OK, I worked it out. Instead of
typer.echo(f"Version: {__version__}")
I need
typer.echo(f"Version: {mypackage.__version__}")
Thanks for the help :-)
Even if no-one replies, it still helps me to have to formulate the
problem for an audience of people who probably know more than I do.
Cheers,
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ch as `NameError`)),
look at the traceback. The traceback informs you about
the calling context that led to the exception, espeically where
in the code the exception occurred.
If you cannot resolve the problem at your own,
include the traceback in your call for assistence.
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pened R/W, users of this
module usually must have root permissions.
FILE
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/smbus.cpython-39-arm-linux-gnueabihf.so
Even a list of available methods would be handy! :-)
Presumably python3's smbus is just a wrapper so if I could find the underlying
-in replacement of smbus". SO you can look
> at its documentation for or use it instead of smbus.
>
> Disclaimer: I haven't any experience on this library
Ah, thank you, I had come across smbus2 but wanted to stay with smbus
if I could as it's in the Debian repositories. However, as you say,
it claims to be a "drop-in replacement of smbus" so the documentation
should be some help at least.
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