Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> maybe it's time to change "equivalent to" to "similar to", to avoid
> messing things up for people who reads the mostly informal library
> reference as if it were an ISO specification.
That is their fault as the library reference is supposed to be "(keep
this under your pill
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > maybe it's time to change "equivalent to" to "similar to", to avoid
> > > messing things up for people who reads the mostly informal library
> > > reference as if it were an ISO
Hi all,
I'm trying to install wxPython on Debian using 'apt-get install
python-wxgtk2.4.' I've got both Python 2.3 and 2.4 installed with 2.4
set as my default. For whatever reason, wxPython always installs under
/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages.
Does anyone know how I can force it to install in
Mike Meyer wrote:
> > I do think that the Python development community believes they do,
> > or more accurately, that if someone wants to use a different style,
> > they can go use something else.
>
> In other words, they believe that you should use a screwdriver to
> drive screws, and not a hamme
Mike Meyer wrote:
> Whatever it is, trying to turn Python into a tool for dealing with it
> isn't the right thing to do.
Still this tone, and logic. This statement alone is right except that
it may not be what was about.
>
> >> > I think that it is possible to include in Python, things that are
>
Out of curiousity, is "recursion" the desirable way(or is it pythonic
way) ? How would one do it in the imperative way ?
Dan Bishop wrote:
> > it could be done by a recursive call, but i am interested in using and
> > understanding generators.
>
> def cross(*args):
>"""Iterates over the set cr
Peter Hansen wrote:
> Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> > Ok, the answer is easy: For historical reasons - built-in sets exist
> > only since Python 2.4.
> >
> > Anyway, I was thinking about whether it would be possible and desirable
> > to change the old behavior in future Python versions and let dict
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "do things right" is my fundamental beef with Python.
> Dispite claims, I don't believe Python's designers have
> a monopoly on the definition of "right".
I think raymond's post more correctly described it. Rather than do
Peter Hansen wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Peter Hansen wrote:
> >>I believe it's currently guaranteed that the order of
> >>the items in dict.keys() and dict.values() will match (i.e. the index of
> >>any key in its list will be the same as the in
Alex Martelli wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Out of curiousity, is "recursion" the desirable way(or is it pythonic
> > way) ? How would one do it in the imperative way ?
>
> For an inherently recursive problem (as this one appea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> One reason might be Practicality. The zip() versions handily beat the
> listcomp versions on a 10kitem dict. (python2.4)
>
> $ timeit.py -s 'd = dict.fromkeys(range(1))' '[(v, k) for (k, v) in
> d.iteritems()]'
> 10
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> You're the one that wants to use the hammer to do whatever it is, not
> >> me. I don't believe in silver bullets. Python is good at what it
> >> does. If I need a diff
Peter Hansen wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Which is also my initial puzzle, items() and iteritems() already gives
> > you the tuples, why such gurantee or the others ? Doesn't that violate
> > the general idiom that if we can do certain thing in one way, there
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Maybe Python attracts people who share that belief. After all, TRTFTJ
> >> is implies TSBOOWTDI, and vice versa.
> > I was not talking about the believe, I was talking about the w
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Which is also my initial puzzle, items() and iteritems() already gives
> > you the tuples, why such gurantee or the others ? Doesn't that violate
> > the general idiom that if
Alex Martelli wrote:
> A substantial fraction of the time, people asking "how do I stop the
> users of my code from doing X" proceed by screaming "but they could
> still do X if they hopped on their left foot in a moonless midnight
> while sprinkling bat's blood!" as a response to any suggestion.
Steve Holden wrote:
> Yomgui: I am not a language lawyer, but I think you can feel safe
> returning from inside a loop. Just as a matter of interest, how else
> would you propose to implement the functionality Mike showed:
>
> > >>>def f():
> >
> > ... for i in range(20):
> > ... if i > 10: re
Steve Holden wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [...]
> >>Maybe there are also other reasons to promise this property that I'm not
> >>aware of. Certainly it seems like this property is useful and not hard
> >>to p
Steve Holden wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Mike Meyer wrote:
> [...]
> >
> >>By the results of the vote, most people wanted ternary. The use
> >>cases for it are well know. From what I recall, the debate was over
> >>which of the many proposa
Steve Holden wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Mike Meyer wrote:
> >
> >>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>>>Maybe Python attracts people who share that belief. After all, TRTFTJ
> >>>>is im
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> performance is of course another aspect; if you *need* two parallel
> lists, creating a list full of tuples just to pull them apart and throw
> them all away isn't exactly the most efficient way to do things.
>
> (if performance didn't matter at all, we could get rid most di
Steve Holden wrote:
> Whether or not some fragments of code remain unchanged at the end of
> your project, if you start out with a piece of source code lifted from
> wxPython then what you have created is definitely a "derivative work"
> and, as such, you must take into account the wxPython licens
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > > performance is of course another aspect; if you *need* two parallel
> > > lists, creating a list full of tuples just to pull them apart and throw
> > > them all away isn't
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Steve Holden wrote:
> >> Whether or not some fragments of code remain unchanged at the end of
> >> your project, if you start out with a piece of source code lifted from
> >&g
Steve Holden wrote:
> Well, I'm happy in this instance that practicality beats purity, since
> the above is not only ugly in the extreme it's also far harder to read.
>
> What are the claimed advantages for a single exit point? I'd have
> thought it was pretty obvious the eight-line version you ga
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > the thing that's in favour is "then-if-else", not "if-then-else".
> >
> > Sorry if I confused you, I though it was clear that I meant the
> > concept, not a specific syntactical imple
Alex Martelli wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
> > > qualification, you're quite likely to get such disclaimers. If you
> > > don't want them, learn to ask about stopping your users from
> > > ACCIDENTALLY doing X,
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "Giovanni Bajo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Mike Meyer wrote:
> >> Note that this property of __slots__ is an implementation detail. You
> >> can't rely on it working in the future.
> > I don't "rely" on
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I know that is a single list of tuples, I mean that can be used as
> > well.
> >
> > for k, _ in d.items(): print k
> > for _, v in d.items(): print v
> > for k in d.keys(): print k
> > for v
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I know that is a single list of tuples, I mean that can be used as
> > well.
> >
> > for k, _ in d.items(): print k
> > for _, v in d.items(): print v
> > for k in d.keys(): print k
> > for v
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Consider a dictionary with one million items. The following operations
>
> k = d.keys()
> v = d.values()
>
> creates two list objects, while
>
> i = d.items()
>
> creates just over one million objects. In your "equivalent" example,
> you're calling d.items() tw
Duncan Booth wrote:
> To bonono, not Steve:
>
> So if a function should religiously have only one exit point why does the
> example you give have two exit points? i.e. the 'return r', and the implied
> 'return None' if you execute the 'something' branch.
I may have remember it wrong, but don't ask
Bengt Richter wrote:
> If windows has been running a long time (a few days or a week may be long ;-)
> it
> may get fragmented in some smallish memory arena reserved for special things
> (I forgot
> what versions, but I wouldn't be surprised if something still had s
> specialized limit).
>
I kn
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > These results make more sense. However, I am still puzzled :
> >
> > 1. why would d.keys()/d.values() only return one list element ? Why
> > isn't it a list of 1M element of either the keys or values but it
Antoon Pardon wrote:
> When we notice that people are fighting the language, sometimes
> the best approach is to change the language so that there is
> less reason to fight the language.
>
I think just don't "disregard the other side" without considering their
rationale is enough, and I mean the o
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > creates just over one million objects. In your "equivalent" example,
> > > you're calling d.items() twice to produce two million objects, none
> > > of which you really care about.
> >
Peter Hansen wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:26:36 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>As for the liability, that is for sure, withness what is happening for
> >>the linux kernel.
> >
> > What is happening for the Lin
Bengt Richter wrote:
> Depends on what you run ;-) Maybe how many times buggy apps die in unusual
> ways.
> Or worse, buggy drivers. Your car might have bad 4-wheel drive that you never
> used,
> so you thought your car reliable ;-)
>
Sure, no casual toys are allowed. But this is true in general
Magnus Lycka wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Oh, find a need to shut other up ?
> >
> Oh, find a need to get the last word?
>
like you ?
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Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > You can already get a set from a dictionary's keys in an efficient manner:
> >>>>l = dict.fromkeys(range(10))
> >>>>set(l)
> > Set([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9])
>
> Good poin
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> >> > You can already get a set from a dictionary's keys in an efficient
> >> > manner:
> >>
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> >> > You can already get a set from a dictionary's keys in an efficient
> >> > manner:
> >>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mike Meyer wrote:
> > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > >> > You can already get a set from a dictionary's keys in an
Duncan Booth wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > As for the (k,v) vs (v,k), I still don't think it is a good example. I
> > can always use index to access the tuple elements and most other
> > functions expect the first element to be the key. For example :
> &g
Steve Holden wrote:
> Magnus Lycka wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>Oh, find a need to shut other up ?
> >>
> >
> > Oh, find a need to get the last word?
> >
> > /Magnus
> >
> > P.S. Yes, this *is* a test.
&g
Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 2005-11-24, Mike Meyer schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>> > Different programming styles are app
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> The Eternal Squire wrote:
>
> > PyGame is your best bet for pure graphics. Simple shapes can be done
> > in just a few statements.
>
> the same applies to Tkinter, of course.
>
> from Tkinter import *
>
> # set things up
> c = Canvas(); c.pack()
>
> # draw s
Paul Rubin wrote:
> Fair enough. How's this:
>
>a = ImmutableObject()
>b = deepcopy(a)
>assert a == b # a and b start out equal
> do stuff
># since a and b are immutable, they should still be equal
># no matter what has happened above
>assert a == b
>
> If yo
This is my attempt :
def cross(seq):
r=[[]]
for x in seq:
r = [ a + b for a in r for b in [[i] for i in x ]]
return r
It is not very efficient though as it would loop through the
intermediate list produced multiple times.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i
It seems like functions such as xml.sax.saxutils.escape and unescape
are generally useful, and not at all tied to the xml.sax module. Would
it make sense to move them somewhere else, like to xml?
I ask because it just took me 20 minutes to figure out how to escape
entities in python. It's not ob
I want to write to the pins of an RS232 without using the serial
protocol. The use would be every pin could act to complete a circuit
in customized hardware. I could use python to communicate serially to
a BASIC stamp or a Javelin stamp and then use the stamp to set however
many pins as 0's or 1'
did you search GUI in this group? I think the results will be helpful.
some other GUI packages you might of missed are wxPython and pygame
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from os import *
print "Working path: %s" % os.getcwd();
Just wondering how you would do that .. in theory, if you get what I
mean?
I get
NameError: name 'os' is not defined
currently, which I don't know how to fix.. anyone?
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>I think that the test for an empty iterator makes ireduce() unintuitive. Try
>asking someone who has not followed the discussion
>what list(ireduce(add, [], 42)) might produce, given that
>list(ireduce(add, [1], 42)) --> [43]
>list(ireduce(add, [1, 2], 42)) --> [43, 45]
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First thing first, you need to find out if you are an "employee", not
in the normal sense, but legal sense.
This directly affect the copyright issue, outside your "work hours".
If you need their consent on take on other clients, that would be iffy.
There are a number of things a court would look
I think no matter what language you programs it, it is hard to
understand. Can you break it up into sub-problems first ? Like first
parsing the inventory file into a python dict, then also the fields
from web to another dict ?
Chris wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to python, and I'm trying to write a sma
Yup, these independent contractor test doctrines bite both way and in
your case, it is not in your advantage, usually.
I would suggest that whatever tools you want to make to enhance the
work(even it is inspired by your current task), don't use it on this
employer/client, at least not on their pre
First of all I'd like to thank all of you for your input. It's nice to
have a place to throw ideas around and get some feedback.
I think the reason the serial source code I'm using is using javax.comm
stuff which is possibly part of Jython is because I'm on Mac OS X.
However this is just my guess
ahhh I understand now
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Peter Otten wrote:
> David Isaac wrote:
>
> > "Peter Otten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> I think that the test for an empty iterator makes ireduce() unintuitive.
> >
> > OK.
> > I misundersto
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> >>For instance, I just wanted to use the index() method on a tuple which
> >>does not work. ...
>
> Aahz wrote:
>
> > Because Guido believes that tuples should be primarily used as
> > lightweight replacements for C structs. Therefore they have minimal
> > functionali
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! Transpose operator(right operator) is changed from ' to ~.
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EXTENDING AND EMBEDDING:
+ Some abstract classes are
Hi !
I have WinXP.
I want to convert my PySonic recorded (raw) pcm format files to wav files.
How can I do it ?
Please help me !
dd
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r all container types.
I'm not sure tuple should be eliminated, however. It still has value
to show that these things are a group. And it's very lightweight to
construct.
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You can try something like:
#!/usr/bin/python
import sys
inp = open("xyplan.nobreaks")
data = [ i.strip() for i in inp if i ]
while data:
print ' '.join(data[0:3])
del data[0:3]
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Krystian wrote:
> Hi
>
> >>are there any future perspectives for Python to be as fast as java? i
> >>would like to use Python as a language for writing games.
> >
> >Why would we want Python to be as fast as Java when it's already faster?
>
> hm... i came across this site:
> http://shootout.alioth.
Hi !
I have a problem in Windows.
I need to get the filelist in HDD-s, with sha-N value for every file (to
see what changed in the past).
1.
I see that Python supports the sha-1. But I need to make sha value in
big files to (swap file, iso-s, etc.). Possible that file size more than
2 GB, so
Hi Robert,
Thanks for the suggestion, but an apt-cache search python2.4-wxgtk2.4
returns no results for a package with that name.
Aaron
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Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for the clarification. I don't have a compelling reason
not to use 2.3 other than having to install the modules I've already
set up for 2.4. Not really a big deal. Looks like I'll be switching to
2.3.
Thanks again,
Aaron
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Isaac Gouy wrote:
> Peter Hansen wrote:
> > Isaac Gouy wrote:
> > > Peter Hansen wrote:
> > >>Judging by the other posts in this thread, the gauntlet is down: Python
> > >>is faster than Java. Let those who believe otherwise prove their point
> > >>with facts, and without artificially handcuffing
Hi,
I tried to follow the example in swig homepage.
I found error which I don't understand.
I use bcc32, I already include directory where my python.h exist in
bcc32.cfg.
/* File : example.c */
#include
double My_variable = 3.0;
int fact(int n) {
if (n <= 1) return 1;
else return
Hi,
I have a user who complained about how "struct" module computes C
struct data size on Itanium2 based 64-bit machine.
His first reproducer was
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#!/usr/local/bin/python
import struct
fmthead = '12id5i5d7id5i3di12i3di'
fmtsize = struct.calcsize(fmthead)
prin
The best way to compare Dao with Python in detail would be, join a SF
project PLEAC, and provide solutions in Dao to those common programming
problems listed in Perl Cookbook(by Tom Christiansen & Nathan
Torkington, published by O'Reilly). The solutions in Python is there,
when solutions in Dao wou
> Maybe trying Python requires less time :-)
Yes. Maybe if I tried python instead of perl, probably there would be
no Dao language :). However there is one thing I don't like in python,
that is, scoping by indentation. But it would not annoy me so much that
make me decide to implement a new langua
Hi,
I'm writing a small GUI program in Python/Tkinter (my first Python
program). I want to make a menu which lists the names of a number of
text files that my program uses/generates. When I select one of the
files from the menu, I would like a new window to open up a scroll box
containing the fi
I have a website and by accessing it from the browser, for example:
"http://www..com:/status";, the web page will display "ok" only
if the URI is up. And it will return "website could not be found" alert
if the URI is down.
In Python, is there a way to retrieve "ok" programmatically and de
I'm trying to move beyond Emacs/Vim/Kate
and was wondering if Eclipse is better and if it is the *best*
IDE for Python.
Should I leave Emacs and do Python coding in Eclipse?
Chris
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I have a Makefile target that uses a python script, like:
%.abc: %.def
python myscript.py
The problem is that myscript.py and some modules that myscript.py
imports are not in the current directory, but in another place in the
filesystem, say, /path/to/stuff. If this was a tcsh script, I w
sandorf wrote:
> Thank to you all, guys. Here's another question:
>
> I'm using the Windows version of Python and IDLE. When I debug my .py
> file, my modification to the .py file does not seem to take effect
> unless I restart IDLE. Saving the file and re-importing it doesn't help
> either. Where
8:21 -0800 in comp.lang.python, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> ... (cutted)
> Of these, only (2) is valid. And the only reason it's valid is that
> Python recognizes the TAB character as valid indentation. TAB
> characters are evil. They should be banned from Python source code.
> The
>
> the easiest way to do this is to create a new function object for each
> file, and use default argument binding to pass in the right filename:
>
> for file in self.allfiles:
> def callback(fname=file):
> self.showFile(fname, parent)
> self.showfilemenu_bar.add
Hello I tried to combine c++ and python together.
So I follow from this website:
http://kortis.to/radix/python_ext/
I have this code:
# prmodule.c
static PyObject *pr_isprime(PyObject *self, PyObject *args){
int n, input;
if (!PyArg_ParseTuple(args, "i", &input))
return
I am trying to run an exe within a python script, but I'm having
trouble with spaces in the directory name.
The following example will display the usage statement of the program,
so I know that the space in the path to the exe is being handled
correctly and that the program was executed.
CMD= r'"
Hello Scott,
It didn't work with visual studio 5. .Net framework 2.0
Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks,
pujo
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So I have the unfortunate task of migrating several hundred users from
local mail (mbox and mh) up to an exchange server as part of wearisome
SOX compliance nonsense.
I thought the best path through this thicket would be to knock up a
quick python script using imaplib to replicate folder structure
Hello,
It give the same error result:
D:\testprogram\distutils problem>setup build
running build
running build_ext
*** Failed: error: The .NET Framework SDK needs to be installed before
building extensions for Python.
Attempting to patch distutils.msvccompiler and retry:
running build
running buil
I fear licensing issues will keep away Emacs hackers who
> might otherwise switch and make the platform more usable for other
> Emacs refugees.
Please tell me what licensing issues you are referring to. Eclipse
should
be GPLv3.0 compatible I would guess.
Chris
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> Sure, but it was the fact that the *core* is in Java I was thinking about.
> I wonder how 'closed' it is.
The code is under open source license. There are open source JVMs.
What is the
problem then with Java code?
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>On google the first link is... a Python script.
>http://home.tiscali.cz:8080/~cz210552/distfiles/mbox2imap.py
>And there are other entries...
That appears to contain the magic I need thanks. It just use python
mailbox so adding in MH support should be trivial. Then I need to add
some directory
I know distutils well but don't know anything about Ant except that it
is a build
tool from Apache project.
Could it possible be better or as good as distutils?
(There are extensions for Python.)
Chris
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Hello,
I have .net framework 2.0 because I' already able to run visual studio
express 2005.
Should I install .net framework 1.1 and also ms toolkit ?
Sincerely Yours,
pujo
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Hello,
I have test.py:
print 'hello'
I compile using iron python the result is test.exe
I have got error message when I tried to call test.exe telling that
test.exe is not a valid win32 application.
How can I solve this problem?
Sincerely Yours,
Pujo
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I use version 0.9.5
Windows xp with .net framework 2.0, visual studio Express
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Hello,
I run exactly inside IronPython-0.9.5\bin where IronPython.dll exist.
I've already uninstalled my .net 1.1 so there is onle .net 2.0
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Well i use eric3 and i am pretty happy with it. Comes with integrated
refactoring, unittest, python shell, project browser, version control.
Do try it , avaialble under GPL.
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There is also always searching the Python Cookbook
(http://pythoncookbook.activestate.com/) for something like this.
There is already an ICMP library there (written by me and a friend)
that includes a ping function that uses the library.
-Brett
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ython parse ("green",
"red")[(i * 8 + j) % 2] command ... he says while reaching for "python
for the semi-illiterate" ...)
Again, thanks for your help.
Jpl
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Hi Python Experts,
I am developing a Python interface to an existing (multithreaded) c++
api. I have it working on several platforms (linux, solaris, irix,
windoze) but I am having a few problems with threading on hp-ux and aix
platforms. Here is one of the
Hello,
I have an idea to build python module to speed up python code in some
of field where pyrex shines such as numeric, code which needs a lot of
looping etc.
What do you think?
Sincerely Yours,
pujo
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Hello,
I just wonder if someone has already build it.
Thanks for the response.
Best Regards,
pujo
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