nce of any performance
regressions whilst implementing stupid things like memory savings and
correctness.
One question, why use a character encoding that's named after a very
famous French actress?
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TIA
Levi
Try the requests module https://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests/ as if I
can successfuly use it anybody can :)
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Question: When it is claimed, that this has been tested,
do you mean stringbench.py as proposed many times by Terry?
(Thanks for an answer).
I find it amusing that you ask for an answer but refuse point blank to
provide answers yourself. I susp
our cheque book out and make a donation to the PSF.
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On 01/04/2013 23:12, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, April 1, 2013 6:09:04 PM UTC-4, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 01/04/2013 22:42, [email protected] wrote:
Self-bump
It's considered polite to wait for at least 24 hours before bumping a
question. You might have got more answe
nt or Detective Parsons. Oh sorry they're from the Church
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On 02/04/2013 11:58, Steve Simmons wrote:
On 02/04/2013 10:43, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 02/04/2013 10:24, jmfauth wrote:
On 2 avr, 10:35, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:03:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
So what? Who cares if it takes 0.2 second to insert a char
On 02/04/2013 15:39, Steve Simmons wrote:
My post was primarily aimed at recognising the work that people like
Mark, Neil and others have done to move the problem forward and was
intended to help shift the focus to a more productive approach. Again,
my apologies if it was ill timed or ill
ggier equivalents?
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Easiest way I know is to use the highly rated requests module
http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/ which is available on pypi.
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Thx in advance.
Not quite answering your question but are you aware of
http://docs.python.org/3/using/windows.html#launcher ?
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= input("test")
I see you've already got an answer but you didn't run the above code as
you'd get a syntax error. As you're new I'll leave you to find out where :)
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> licenses. Take your pick of any of the well-known (Berkeley, MIT, GPL,
> etc) licenses, and use that. [...]
That all being said, and excellent policy and commentary in general,
no one should have trouble interpreting "do whatever you
, or
even if it's actually been delivered :( Is there anybody lurking who could
stir the embers to get things rolling?
TIA.
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> (Apologies in advance if you get multiple copies of this. My Usenet
> connection seems to be having a conniption fit at the moment.)
>
> I'm looking for an official way to tell what interpreter (if any) is
> running, or at least a not-too-horrible unofficial way.
I was going to work on this IDLE
I
strongly prefer having python devs spending their time looking after
the 3905 open issues of which 1729 have patches, see
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/138310
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x27;t pay for, because
they never entered into an agreement, not did you.
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 04/08/2013 07:16 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
>>>
>>&g
) Legally, you are right, but I was speaking from
the point of view of a judge, rather than a lawyer. Like the sheriff
says: "I make the law around here!" lol.
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> In the case of free (libre) open source
>> software, such a case would have no merit, because such software never
>> promises anyone *anything*.
>
us all under their thumbs. If I hand you
a rose, will you sue me because it doesn't smell like one? If no
money changed hands? I don't have to cite anything! This is argument
of the absurd and should be inadmissible.
Honestly, it's all because of this Novus Ordo Seclorum bullshit.
M
, you also have
> standing to sue that she gave you a car that was unfit for the purpose it
> was designed.
Okay, if the TV show disconnected the brake lines, there could be
argument of criminal negligence on her production, but otherwise the
car company could be sued. You don't sue Oprah because she's not the
one who designed it.
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Establishment has been intimidating people for too long.
I'm just calling it out, so my crowd (can I call it that?) doesn't
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a car mechanic to ask for the best way to set a broken
> leg. You wouldn't go to a professional gardener to ask how to fight a
> land war in Asia.
Yeah and a programmer wouldn't go to a lawyer to GIVE SOMETHING AWAY
FOR FREE! I mean I couldn't brainwash this kind of commo
want tin foil hats, though,
you'll have to notice what's right in front of your face -- you
already have voodoo right on your currency that YOU have accepted.
Egyptian pyramids on the U.S. dollar? All seeing eye? It's you who
have the burden of explanation brother, because it doesn't make any
sense without going to outer space.
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> And by putting it online for free download, IN THE ABSENCE OF AN EXPLICIT
> DISCLAIMER, you are implying that it is fit for its purpose, and that you
> have a duty of care to make sure that it does do what you say it does.
No, there is no requirement for a disclaimer. In the US, what is not
exp
> Lots of obvious generalizations out there which are wrong, at least some of
> the time.
You know, Dave funny thing is, right there is one of them.
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> If you want tin foil hats, though,
>> you'll have to notice what's right in front of your face -- you
>> already have voodoo right on yo
On 09/04/2013 14:39, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2013-04-09, Mark Lawrence wrote:
But wouldn't it have been easier simply to do do a quick sed or whatever
rather than to spend hours here arguing?
Where's the fun in that? :)
What, you don't think sed is fun?
Having never rea
On 09/04/2013 08:21, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
In the case of free (libre) open source
software, such a case would have no merit
place before and after
the event. The "system" shouldn't get dragged in because you want to
act like a child and get your daddy to help you.
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On 09/04/2013 22:09, Walter Hurry wrote:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 16:51:26 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Having never really used a *nix box in anger how would I know? A
substantial portion of my career was spent on a combination of VMS, C
with embedded SQL and Ingres. Please don't ask as I
On 10/04/2013 00:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:09:19 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 09/04/2013 22:09, Walter Hurry wrote:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 16:51:26 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Having never really used a *nix box in anger how would I know? A
substantial portion
On 10/04/2013 00:28, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
Walter is pointing out that as a Windows user...
Walter is also assuming that Mark is a Windows user, which was never
actually stated :)
ChrisA
Another unicode error with VMS
ponding to
queries on the tutor mailing list as well. Definite case of the
patience of a saint.
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On 10/04/2013 15:43, Νίκος Γκρ33κ wrote:
Anyone please?
I have already shown my support for Peter Otten on this thread. Are you
asking for more people to do so?
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can be made possible to iterate over
the dictionary using iterkeys outside the function ?
If you're using Python 3 iterkeys has been renamed keys.
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27;,
'octdigits', 'printable', 'punctuation', 'whitespace']
It doesn't have translate(), maketrans(), rstrip() and a whole lot of other
things. What's the problem?
Thanks!
The string module is effectively dead. Many functions were deprecated
back in 2.6, maketrans in 3.1, just use string methods instead.
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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> Mark, so I can understand your mindset better, what do you mean by "let's
> update the OOP paradigm"? Do you mean, 1) "let's change Python in the next
> release," or 2) "let's see if we ca
On 12/04/2013 01:29, Mark Janssen wrote:
You are right. It might not be realistic given the Python developer
environment at present. In fact, I'm moving the thread out of
python-ideas into python-list since Guido doesn't want to discuss it.
Please don't.
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 12/04/2013 01:29, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>
>>
>> You are right. It might not be realistic given the Python developer
>> environment at present. In fact, I'm moving the thread out of
>> python-idea
On 12/04/2013 01:54, Mark Janssen wrote:
Sorry, not the whole repr() vs str() thread, just the inquiry about
rethinking OOP
Mark
IMHO an adequate summary of your views in the last paragraph here
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2013-March/020034.html
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;m going to limit myself to Turing machines and not deal
at all with lamba calculii and abstract programming environments that
exist in the imagination.)
2) Everything outside the concrete types is an object.
3) Objects (not the concrete types) talk to other Objects, **otherwise
they would be a ma
not sure what you're suggesting is so
> revolutionary.
Lol, apparently you're not all that familiar with Python history,
because Python had it also, it called them types and objects (see the
docs on v2.2). If you read my thread I just sent out, you'll get what
I'm after a bit mor
On 12/04/2013 02:57, Mark Janssen wrote:
[dross snipped]
A summary here http://pinterest.com/pin/464293042804330899/
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ChrisA
Slapping forehead ... hard. Thanks!
a) We've all done it :)
b) The print function/statement or Python's interactive mode are awesome
in situations like this.
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ert on numpy but there is a loadtxt function see
http://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/numpy.loadtxt.html
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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Prasad, Ramit
wrote:
> Mark Janssen wrote:
>> But you see, there's the critical difference. First of all you're
>> making two errors in your comparison. Firstly, a *person* is saying
>> that she's going to *do something for
> Mark, this proposal is out of place on a Python list, because it proposes an
> object methodology radically different from any that is implemented in
> Python now, or is even remotely likely to be implemented in Python in the
> future.
Wow, you guys are a bunch of ninnies. I
ply your mapping
and then write this to your array. The obvious alternative is to use a
list of lists.
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cleaned=''
for c in myStringNumber:
if c != ',':
cleaned+=c
int(cleaned)
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> I would do int(num.replace(',', ''))
That's much more pythonic than my C-ish version
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ng replace method thus.
>>> '12,916'.replace(',', '')
'12916'
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On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:06:12 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>
>> cleaned=''
>> for c in myStringNumber:
>>if c != ',':
>> cleaned+=c
>> int(cleaned)
>
> due to bei
cture of
object-oriented programming languages is a possible middle ground that
could unite them all.
Thank you for your time.
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call() running twice. I can't seem to get a hang on
it.
Saludos
Ombongi Moraa Faith
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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Rotwang wrote:
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "", line 1, in
>> class C(type(lambda: None)):
>> TypeError: type 'function' is not an acceptable base type
>>
>>
>> and I don't think that
> I'm not quite sure I understand your question, but I'll give it a shot. :-)
Thank you, and my apologies for my late reply.
> The C/C++ model, in which the types are anchored to the machine hardware, in
> the exception, not the rule. In the academic literature, "type theory" is
> almost entir
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Uday S Reddy wrote:
> In programming language theory, there is no law to the effect that
> "everything" should be of one kind or another. So, we would not go with
> Alan Kay's ideal.
I understand. I state Kay's points to show how the evolution of (this
part of)
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM, rusi wrote:
> On Apr 17, 7:57 am, Bruce McGoveran wrote:
>> 3. Section 5.3.1 offers this definition of an attributeref:
>> attributeref ::= primary "." identifier
>>
>
> One general comment I will make is regarding your distress at what you
> call 'circular'
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM, alex23 wrote:
> On Apr 18, 9:40 am, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> This is what this list (python) has not figured out yet, because they
>> look up to the theoretical C.S. field and it hasn't yet been
>> published.
>
> No one here idol
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> Rercursion the "bedrock" of language-design. I don't think so. From
>> what I know, a well-defined language ends at its symbols. It makes no
>&g
On 18/04/2013 01:41, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM, alex23 wrote:
On Apr 18, 9:40 am, Mark Janssen wrote:
This is what this list (python) has not figured out yet, because they
look up to the theoretical C.S. field and it hasn't yet been
published.
No one here ido
On 18/04/2013 02:04, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
Rercursion the "bedrock" of language-design. I don't think so. From
what I know, a well-defined language ends at its symbols. It
itionally, minor issue with getting script to stop when q or quit is typed
any help would be greatly appreciated
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ence the
evolution towards Object-Orientation), where in the latter (I'm
guessing, since it's not my area of expertise) the progression has
been towards function sophistication (where recursion seems to be
paramount).
In any case, I look forward to diving into the books and references
you&
> One of the nice things about OOP is it means so many different things to
> different people. All of whom believe with religious fervor that they
> know the true answer.
Here's a simple rule to resolve the ambiguity. Whoever publishes
first, gets to claim origin of a word and its usage, kind o
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> You won't solve the problem of confusing, ambiguous, or conflicting
> terminology by making up a rule. "Object-oriented" means subtly different
> things to different people.
That's a problem, not a solution.
> It turns out that computing
>> The main thing that I notice is that there is a heavy "bias" in
>> academia towards mathematical models.
>
> Yeah wonderful observation. Lets clean up!
>
> If I have a loop:
>
> while i < len(a) and a[i] != x:
>i++
>
> I need to understand that at the end of the loop:
> i >= len(a) or a[i]
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Jason Wilkins
wrote:
> I don't quite think I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that
> mathematical models are not a good foundation for computer science because
> computers are really made out of electronic gates?
No, I'm really trying to point out
> I think there is some misunderstanding here. Being "mathematical" in
> academic work is a way of making our ideas rigorous and precise, instead of
> trying to peddle wooly nonsense.
I'm sorry. I am responsible for the misunderstanding. I used the
word "math" when I really mean symbolic logic
e any more as
it's been fixed http://bugs.python.org/issue16061
Sadly he'll almost certainly have more edge cases up his sleeve while
continuing to ignore minor issues like memory saving and correctness.
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mbles and
inaccurate claims. Others separated out and verified the accurate
report. I reported it to pydev and enquired as to its necessity, I
believe Mark opened the tracker issue, and the two people who worked on
optimizing 3.3 a year ago fairly quickly came up with two different
patches. The se
Bravado, bravado. What a voice! (What a bank balance!)
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On 01/05/2013 10:00, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On 1 May 2013 08:10, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 01/05/2013 07:26, Ricardo Azpeitia Pimentel wrote:
After reading How do you split a list into evenly sized chunks in
Python?
<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/312443/how-do-you-split-a-list-into-eve
work, 0/10, must try harder :) that you haven't specified -w,
--write in which case the files don't get modified.
c:\Users\Mark\MyPython>2to3 --help
Usage: 2to3 [options] file|dir ...
Options:
-h, --helpshow this help message and exit
-d, --doctests_only Fix up
>> Here's a simple rule to resolve the ambiguity. Whoever publishes
>> first, gets to claim origin of a word and its usage, kind of like a
>> BDFL. The rest can adapt around that, make up their own word, or be
>> corrected as the community requires.
>
> You seem to want to squeeze all of compute
On 02/05/2013 09:53, Wolfgang Maier wrote:
What do you think?
Wolfgang
It ain't gonna happen, unless somebody puts Raymond Hettinger in the
Comfy Chair :)
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s unambiguous!
ChrisA
Better IMHO is to use strftime
http://docs.python.org/2/library/datetime.html#strftime-and-strptime-behavior
so the complete code could be
from datetime import datetime
print(datetime.now().strftime('%m/%Y/%d %H %m %S'))
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On 02/05/2013 16:26, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 02/05/2013 15:59, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:50 PM, leonardo selmi
wrote:
dear python community,
i wrote the following program:
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mance comparisons between CPython, Psyco and Shed Skin (perhaps
even PyPy :P), because quite some interesting
programs compile now, and Shed Skin is usually a lot faster than
Psyco, except when Python builtins are the bottleneck. I guess some
more STL magic is required here..
Let the smal
robic0 wrote:
> Xah, please admit to me that your under the influence of
> physocopic drugs!
He could be schizophrenic.
Seekers of all things wierd on the internet can do no better than Gene
Ray's Timecube:
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His outpourings are so well known that he even gets a menti
I have some python scripts that run as cron jobs. They connect to
external resources (like a newsserver) - for which passwords are
required. I currently have them stored in the scripts themselves (ouch!)
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What I would like to do it type something like
> myscript.py
instead of
> python myscript.py
on a Windows console. I know its possible because Ruby scripts manage to
do this - I just don't know the registry settings that need to be
tweaked to enable it. Any ideas (I'd prefer to know the registr
rzed wrote:
> Mark Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>
>>What I would like to do it type something like
>>
>>>myscript.py
>>
>>instead of
>>
>>>python myscript.py
> As another poster points o
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