a bare except is extremely bad practice, e.g. you can't
stop rogue programs with a CTRL-C
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On 06/10/2013 12:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Also note that a bare except is extremely bad practice, e.g. you can't stop
rogue programs with a CTRL-C
Or to be more accurate, a Ctrl-C will cause a jump to your except
clause. Since, in
On 06/10/2013 12:15, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Good point, but at least this time I typed "rogue" correctly, unlike on the
tutor mailing list :)
Obligatory TVTropes link.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RougeAnglesOfSat
the key im using to decrypt the code. everything else is generated
byt the decrytion process and the unhexlify command. So my guess is, the join command
cant handle the b"u" type of format. how can i get rid of the b.
Or does anyone have a better idea how to translate HEX into ASCII and sort out
the lines that make sense
Will you please be kind enough to quote your replies in context.
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>> That's fine. My point was: you can't at the same time have full
>> dynamicity *and* procedural optimizations (like tail call opt).
>> Everybody should be clear about the trade-off.
>
> Your wrong. Full dynamics is not in contradiction with tail call
> optimisation. Scheme has already done it for
> Only that you've got a consistent, stable (and therefore,
> formalizable) translation from your language to the machine. That's
> all. Everything else is magic. Do you know that the Warren
> Abstraction Engine used to power the predicate logic in Prolog into
> machien code for a VonNeumann mac
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano
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> On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 15:47:26 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> I challenge you to get
>> down to the machine code in scheme and formally describe how it's doing
>> both.
>
> For which machine?
R
>>> But even putting that aside, even if somebody wrote such a description,
>>> it would be reductionism gone mad. What possible light on the problem
>>> would be shined by a long, long list of machine code operations, even
>>> if written using assembly mnemonics?
>>
>> Only that you've got a consi
>> Yeah, and this is where two models of computation have been conflated,
>> creating magical effects, confusing everybody. I challenge you to get
>> down to the machine code in scheme and formally describe how it's
>> doing both.
>
> Which two models of computation are you talking about? And what
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 5:54:10 AM UTC+5:30, zipher wrote:
>> Now, one can easily argue that I've gone too far to say "no one has
>> understood it" (obviously), so it's very little tongue-in-cheek, but
>> really, when one tries to pretend that one model of computation can be
>> substituted fo
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On 08/10/2013 09:13, [email protected] wrote:
esmaspäev, 7. oktoober 2013 17:16.29 UTC+3 kirjutas Mark Lawrence:
On 07/10/2013 14:54, [email protected] wrote:
I forgot to tell. The teisendaja module that i have imported, is a number
converter that allow to convert numbers from one base
On 08/10/2013 09:20, [email protected] wrote:
To whom and to what are you replying?
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>> I don't have an infinite stack to implement
>> lambda calculus, but...
>
> And then
>
>> But this is not a useful formalism. Any particular Program implements
>> a DFA, even as it runs on a TM. The issue of whether than TM is
>> finite or not can be dismissed because a simple calculation can
>
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On 08/10/2013 23:52, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote:
Is there something i can try to isolate the problem and make it work?
As you are the problem why not try solitary confinement? :)
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i dont know how
to fix it.
From http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html "Change from except
exc, var to except exc as var. See PEP 3110." You might also like to
see this http://docs.python.org/3/howto/pyporting.html
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in context when replying to the Python main mailing list/news group".
Do you understand this?
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On 09/10/2013 16:00, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote:
ok so then tell me where i should ask this.
Google, bing, duckduckgo, ask, yahoo ...
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On 09/10/2013 19:06, Denis McMahon wrote:
Find the relevant forums and ask in them.
Why am I thinking of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_Hole_in_My_Bucket ?
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On 09/10/2013 20:26, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2013-10-09 19:28, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 09/10/2013 19:06, Denis McMahon wrote:
Find the relevant forums and ask in them.
Why am I thinking of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_Hole_in_My_Bucket ?
There's a bug in my program,
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On 10/10/2013 04:32, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 10/9/2013 9:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I'm not a Windows guru, so I might be off-mark here (I'm sure somebody
will correct me) but as I understand it, the "default Python" under
Windows is the one that was installed most re
onspicious by its absence.
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Python again.
Isn't that what the CS gurus call a type safe array? What's the
problem, *I* don't see anything wrong with it :)
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I don't understand you point, please explain.
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ty fish
filled glue
I'm too lazy to type anything else so please refer to this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/843277/how-do-i-check-if-a-variable-exists-in-python.
I'll also leave the argument over whether it's a variable or a name to
others :)
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Could it be that you just confused dict keys with dict values?
This fixed it, thank you! I did think a dictionary was right; I never
considered swapping the keys with the values, though. A simple 'fix, but it
worked. You've been a great help.
That's good to hear.
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how to us it..
Thanks
[email protected]
Take a look at this http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/
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tence.
The documentation needs to be updated. Please submit a patch.
John Nagle
If you want it done I suggest you submit the patch.
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so slow.
Yes, and all of that is because, the world has not settled on some
simple facts. It needs an understanding of type system. It's been
throwing terms around, some of which are well-defined, but others,
not: there has been enormous cross-breeding that has made mutts out
of everybody and someone's going to have to eat a floppy disk for
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>>> Python objects have dynamic operations suited
>>> to a naive interpreter like CPython.
>>
>> Naive, no.
>
> "Naive", in this instance, means executing code exactly as written,
> without optimizing things (and it's not an insult, btw).
In that case, you're talking about a "non-optimizing" inter
encyclopedia doesn't mention Python, unicode or IPv6. Not that it's
old, but the stone mason retired years ago :)
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> Objects in programming languages (or 'values' if one is more functional
> programming oriented) correspond to things in the world.
One of the things you're saying there is that "values correspond to
things in the world". But you will not get agreement in computer
science on that anymore than s
ding is needed.
Where is Unicode? Away.
jmf
I very much look forward to seeing your correct Python unicode
implementation on the bug tracker.
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On 15/10/2013 21:26, Mark Janssen wrote:
Yeah, well 40 years ago they didn't have parsers.
I'm very pleased to see that (presumably) some Americans do have a sense
of humour.
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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2013-10-15, Mark Janssen wrote:
>
>> Yeah, well 40 years ago they didn't have parsers.
>
> That seems an odd thing to say. People were assembling and compiling
> computer programs long before 1973.
I'm
>>> Types on the other hand correspond to our classifications and so are
>>> things in our minds.
>>
>> That is not how a C programmer views it. They have explicit
>> "typedef"s that make it a thing for the computer.
>
> Speaking as a C programmer, no. We have explicit typedefs to create new
> la
t A, and when the price is equal to $40 and label it B. Does anyone
know how I can accomplish this.
If this matplotlib.pyplot.text described here
http://matplotlib.org/api/pyplot_api.html isn't any good I suggest you
ask on the dedicated matplotlib users mailing list see
https://l
Who uses "object abstraction" in C? No one. That's why C++ was invented.
>>>
>> If not, Linux, how about Python?
>>
>> http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/e2a411a429d6/Objects
>
> Or huge slabs of the OS/2 Presentation Manager, which is entirely
> object oriented and mostly C. It's done with S
> And your earlier idea that punched cards didn't have tokens is wildly
> ignorant of the state of software and languages 50 years ago.
Please tell me how you parsed tokens with binary switches 50 years
ago. Your input is rubbish.
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On 17/10/2013 01:53, Mark Janssen wrote:
And your earlier idea that punched cards didn't have tokens is wildly
ignorant of the state of software and languages 50 years ago.
Please tell me how you parsed tokens with binary switches 50 years
ago. Your input is rubbish.
You must be one o
On 17/10/2013 02:31, Brandon La Porte wrote:
On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 18:31:09 UTC-4, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 16/10/2013 22:34, Brandon La Porte wrote:
I have the following code to make a plot of 4 different supply curves
(economics).
from matplotlib import pyplot as plt
>Prior to that [the '70s] you have punch cards where there's no meaningful
> definition of "parsing" because there are no tokens.
>
> I have no idea what you mean by this. [...]
> You seem drawn to sweeping statements about the current state and history of
> computer science, but then make clai
On 17/10/2013 15:49, Mark Janssen wrote:
Prior to that [the '70s] you have punch cards where there's no meaningful
definition of "parsing" because there are no tokens.
I have no idea what you mean by this. [...]
You seem drawn to sweeping statements about the current
On 17/10/2013 04:13, Owen Jacobson wrote:
It is no business of the Python community how the Ruby community manages
sexism or any other ism.
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. You dig?
Heh Mark I am really sorry. I think this is the third or fourth time that I
say something to which you reply with such egregious rubbish -- parsing has
something to do with card-punches?!?! Yeah like python has something to do with
the purple shirt I am wearing -- that a dozen othe
it does very little to distinguish itself from any other programming
language.
It's just so unfair, poor old CORAL gets left out of this type of list
every time :(
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;> and not have these sloppy understandings everywhere. You dig?
>
> Heh Mark I am really sorry. I think this is the third or fourth time that I
> say something to which you reply with such egregious rubbish -- parsing has
> something to do with card-punches?!?! Yeah like python has something
On 17/10/2013 07:49, Peter Cacioppi wrote:
I don't know if I want to step into the flames here,
Even Python, which isn't strongly typed
Yeah right.
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 10/17/2013 01:57 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>
>>
>> Read and listen more. Write and say less.
>
>
> Mark Janssen has no interest in learning. From a thread long-ago:
>
> Mark Janssen wrote:
>>
&
niversity (MIT?) to head their Computer Engineering
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tand that the ladies involved used to surprise the big wig
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On 18/10/2013 08:44, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 18/10/2013 00:53, Peter Cacioppi wrote:
You know, I'd heard somewhere that Goto was considered harmful trying
to remember exactly where
Yep, but it's used throughout t
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comp.theoretical.claptrap, give me practicality beats purity any day of
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In [7]: type(a)
Out[7]: builtins.str
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in the pipeline, and that's that). It's about
time Amazon moved to 2.7, at least...
Tell that to Amazon.
Dear Amazon,
Please upgrade to Python 3.3 or similar so that users can have better
unicode support amongst other things.
Love and kisses.
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> Gccpy is an Ahead of time implementation of Python ontop of GCC. So it
> works as you would expect with a traditional compiler such as GCC to
> compile C code. Or G++ to compile C++ etc.
That is amazing. I was just talking about how someone should make a
front-end to GCC on this list a couple o
posed as a bizarre form of trolling.
As my crystal ball is once again being mended, would you please be kind
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On 21/10/2013 08:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 21/10/2013 08:31, Chris Angelico wrote:
"I use Google Groups and it sucks, so I delete all the context because
then nobody can see how much it sucks at showing context."
Be
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:35:03 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>
> [Attribution to the original post has been lost]
>>> Is a jit implementation of a language (not just python) better than
>>> traditional ahead o
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Philip Herron
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> Thanks, i've been working on this basically on my own 95% of the compiler is
> all my code, in my spare time. Its been fairly scary all of this for me. I
> personally find this as a real source of interest to really demystify
> compilers a
On 17/10/2013 00:36, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Unfortunately python does not have labels and goto statements as far as
I know
http://entrian.com/goto/
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> No its not like those 'compilers' i dont really agree with a compiler
> generating C/C++ and saying its producing native code. I dont really believe
> its truely within the statement. Compilers that do that tend to put in alot
> of type saftey code and debugging internals at a high level to ge
> A language specification in BNF is just syntax. It doesn't say anything
> about semantics. So how could this be used to produce executable C code
> for a program? BNF is used to produce parsers. But a parser isn't
> sufficient.
A C program is just syntax also. How does the compiler generate
exe
syntax that a BNF specification of
the language would not allow (even though Steven calls it "syntax"
which is what BNF in Dave's claim parses).
So which of you is confused? I ask that in the inclusive (not
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when considering that both Dave Angel and Steven
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arr[5] = 134513753
arr[6] = 1294213
arr[7] = -1082002164
arr[8] = -1082002312
arr[9] = 2527220
What am I missing here?
arr is local to main, not static or global.
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>> So which of you is confused? I ask that in the inclusive (not
>> exclusive OR) sense ;^) <-- face says "both".
>
> Could you please be less snarky? We're trying to communicate here, and it
> is not at all clear yet who is confused and who is not. If you are
> interested in discussing tec
So which of you is confused? I ask that in the inclusive (not
exclusive OR) sense ;^) <-- face says "both".
>>>
>>> Could you please be less snarky?
>>
>> Okay. The purpose of BNF (at least as I envision it) is to
>> produce/specify a *context-free* "grammar". A lexer parses the t
>> Okay. The purpose of BNF (at least as I envision it) is to
>> produce/specify a *context-free* "grammar". A lexer parses the tokens
>> specified in the BNF into an Abstract Syntax Tree. If one can produce
>> such a tree for any given source, the language, in theory, can be
>> compiled by GCC
it at all. That's the difference between
a calculator and a computer.
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meaning of the words BNF, compile, program, and C.
I believe we need to talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect
No need for me to discuss that as I used to be big headed but now I'm
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y BNF.
Yes. I thought Mark might have had a misconception that all
programming languages have to be defined in BNF.
Please be kind enough to disambiguate Mark, as I would not wish to be
tarred with the same brush.
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On 23/10/2013 01:22, Pratik Mehta wrote:
Hey Mark,
Thanks for reverting.
I had tried coding it using os.system("screencapture -s /filepath") // for
selecting a particular region..
I have replied to Kevin's comment, that's exactly what I am looking for. :)
Thanks
on a topic long enough to
explain yourself. Either way, I don't know how else to move the
discussion forward.
You forgot to end with a well-warranted "Boom".
Mark Janssen is rapidly becoming Xah Lee 2.0, identical down to the
repugnant misogyny he expresses elsewhere. The only differenc
On 23/10/2013 05:05, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 10/22/2013 12:28 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
Thank you. You may be seated.
Ranting Rick, is that you?
I think that's unfair, rr can be very helpful when discussing IDLE type
issues. In comparison all that appears to have eminated from T
health, would you please be kind enough to read, digest
and action this https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython.
TIA.
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second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer
Mark Lawrence
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carrying
the tactical thermonuclear missile just in case of trouble as sometimes
the combination of nailing heads to coffee tables and sarcasm just isn't
enough.
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Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer
Mark
l kit and being told to get on with it. Perhaps it's a case of
second class treatment for users of a second class OS? Ducks and runs
for cover :)
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Python is the second best programming language in the world.
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Mark Lawrence
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