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4. print type y
Now read that 1 as first, 2 as second etc and read the '!' as 'MAKE'.
(It may help to shout it)
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On Friday, December 20, 2013 9:30:22 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 15:34, rusi wrote:
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y = raw_input('Enter a number:')
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On 21/12/2013 01:58, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 12/20/13 8:06 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Quoting from http://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#bytearray
"The bytearray type is a mutable sequence of integers in the range 0 <=
x < 256."
Quoting from http://docs.pyth
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On 21/12/2013 07:20, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
The subject refers to the list sort method given here
http://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#list. I believe that the
"*," bit is simply a typo, given that the docs also s
On 21/12/2013 07:35, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 21/12/2013 07:20, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Mark Lawrence
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The subject refers to the list sort method given here
http://docs.python.org/3/library
On 21/12/2013 08:09, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that
once C++ people have compiled their code they can head down to the
pub, but Python people ha
On 21/12/2013 08:18, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that once
C++ people have compiled their code they can head do
Nail struck firmly on head I reckon.
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On 21/12/2013 11:37, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 05:34:51 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that
once C++ people have compiled their code they can
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On 21/12/2013 16:54, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On 21 Dec 2013 12:58:41 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
declaimed the following:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 16:00:22 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 15:34, rusi wrote:
You are also assuming that the two horizontal lines sometimes called
'eq
On 21/12/2013 13:20, Peter Otten wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 21/12/2013 01:58, Ned Batchelder wrote:
If you have a zero, you can split on it with:
bytestring.split(bytes([0])), but that doesn't explain why find can take
a simple zero, and split has to take a bytestring with a zero
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, if the first operand is true, it doesn't evaluate the second
operand. Just make sure that a(), b(), and c() all return something
which is true if they succeed and false otherwise.
Really? :)
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On 23/12/2013 03:45, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Another C thing to complain about, with functions like malloc the status
code and value returned are one and the same thing, except that NULL is
failure in this case.
How's that a problem? P
ings. We *DON'T* as a rule of thumb get this
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On 22/12/2013 23:57, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:02:51 PM UTC-6, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/12/2013 22:51, Chris Angelico wrote:
if a() == 0:
if b() == 0:
c()
I can only see one way that you can possibly intepret it.
[snip molehill turned into
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statement itself vanishes, leaving one
with an empty else clause...
Try debugging that problem!
I'll pass on that one :)
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Python wiki so that
everyone can send double line feeds from any technology, that way
everybody would feel at home as we'd all be in the same boat.
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Maybe of interest to some of you
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
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of format characters in the C standard (but implemented separately in
datetime objects, and therefore always available)"
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widget of a gui toolkit.
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On 24/12/2013 15:28, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 12/24/13 9:58 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 24/12/2013 10:22, [email protected] wrote:
[once again snip double spaced google crap]
This is gui related.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pull_the_other_one,_it%27s_got_bells_on
This isn&#
On 24/12/2013 05:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:32:31 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Maybe of interest to some of you
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
While I'm happy for Alan Turing, may he rest in peace, I think the
thousands of other homosexuals who
ilege" ?
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On 28/12/2013 04:16, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:30:34 +1100, Tim Delaney wrote:
On 28 December 2013 04:34, Mark Lawrence
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Personally, I think that people ought to throw a party celebrating
Turing's rehabilitation, and do it right outside the Russian Embas
"%s" % time.time()
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"%.6f" % time.time()
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thanks a bunch. the "%.6f" was the cure. can you please point me to the
over again :-)
Great idea, but one slight snag is the poster then doesn't see how many
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now and again as does BV BV whatever. For
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On 30/12/2013 20:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:41:44 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
http://alexgaynor.net/2013/dec/30/about-python-3/ may be of interest to
some of you.
I don't know whether to thank you for the link, or shout at you for
sending eyeballs to look
On 30/12/2013 22:38, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 12/30/2013 01:29 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 30/12/2013 20:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:41:44 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
http://alexgaynor.net/2013/dec/30/about-python-3/ may be of interest to
some of you.
I don&#
On 31/12/2013 01:09, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 12/30/2013 01:29 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 30/12/2013 20:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:41:44 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
http://alexgaynor.net/2013/dec/30/about-p
On 30/12/2013 22:38, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 12/30/2013 01:29 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 30/12/2013 20:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:41:44 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
http://alexgaynor.net/2013/dec/30/about-python-3/ may be of interest to
some of you.
I don&#
the URL:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N5N5PG2
People using 1.x will be miffed as their baby has been missed out :)
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2to3 -w pytesser.py
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Mark Lawrence wrote:
raise "Not Valid DB Type"
is perfectly valid in Python 2.
Actually, no it isn't. It's only valid up to Python 2.4. In Python 2.5,
string exceptions display a warning but continue to work, and in P
y Herron
I liked the look of this as well. It ought to go to python ideas, or
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But even that would be problematic until it got so thoroughly
understood that it's like enumerate() - which is itself still not
perfect.
ChrisA
I find the above rather funcy :)
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On 03/01/2014 04:18, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 01/02/2014 05:14 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 02/01/2014 23:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
raise "Not Valid DB Type"
is perfectly valid in Python 2.
Actually, no it isn't. It's only valid up to Python 2
incorrect code in
preference to something that is correct but slow? Except that Python
3.3.3 is often faster. And always (to my knowledge) correct. Upper
Class Twit of the Year anybody? :)
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se from None' or ...
In any case I think we will be maintaining python 2.x code for at least
another 5 years; the version gap is then a real hindrance.
Of interest
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init__.py", line 92, in bootstrap
_run_pip(args + [p[0] for p in _PROJECTS], additional_paths)
File "C:\Python34\lib\ensurepip\__init__.py", line 28, in _run_pip
import pip
File
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Raised an issue anyway and then found a file caused enum.py. Whoops :(
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Mark Lawrence wrote:
http://blog.startifact.com/posts/alex-gaynor-on-python-3.html.
I quote:
"...perhaps a brave group of volunteers will stand up and fork Python 2, and
take the incremental steps forward. This will have to remain ju
http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/1/5/unicode-in-2-and-3/
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>> Most of the complaints about Py3 are "it's harder to get something
>> started (or port from Py2)". My answer is that it's easier to get
>> something finished.
>
> I like all of this logic, it makes sense to me. But Armin and Kenneth have
> more experience than I do actually writing networking s
d nothing but the
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thon 2.8, as my
understanding is that the vast majority of the Python core developers
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On 06/01/2014 16:46, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 06 January 2014 11:42:55 Mark Lawrence did opine:
On 06/01/2014 14:32, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 06 January 2014 08:52:42 Ned Batchelder did opine:
[...]
You are still talking about whether Armin is right, and whether he
writes well
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type/class unification was wrong. It was fine before.
Mark
>> It can't be both things. It's either bytes or it's text.
>
> Of course it can be:
>
> 000: 0372 0106 6100 1d00 .r..a...
> 010: 0
ince
the first release of Python 3. Surely much more time should be made
available for people using Python 2 to plan for a migration?
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>> Chris didn't say "bytes and ascii data", he said "bytes and TEXT".
>> Text != "ascii data", and the fact that some people apparently think it
>> does is pretty much the heart of the problem.
>
> The heart of a different problem, not this one. The problem I refer to is
> that many binary formats
On 06/01/2014 19:30, Mark Janssen wrote:
Chris didn't say "bytes and ascii data", he said "bytes and TEXT".
Text != "ascii data", and the fact that some people apparently think it
does is pretty much the heart of the problem.
The heart of a different problem,
t. Add your
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> Looks like another bad batch, time to change your dealer again.
??? Strange, when the debate hits bottom, accusations about doing
drugs come up. This is like the third reference (and I don't even
drink alcohol).
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On 06/01/2014 19:41, Mark Janssen wrote:
http://blog.startifact.com/posts/python-2-gravity.html
"A Way Forward - How to go forward then? I think it makes sense to work as
hard as possible to lift those Python 2 codebases out of the gravity well."
I think this is complete nonsense
top of
the plot of each point.
If you give any idea or hint, I will really apprecite. Thank you, Isaac
Sorry I can't help directly but can point you here
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users or perhaps
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On 06/01/2014 20:31, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
06.01.14 15:44, Mark Lawrence написав(ла):
Simply scrap PEP 404 and the currently unhappy customers will be happy
as they'll be free to do all the work they want on Python 2.8, as my
understanding is that the vast majority of the Python
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On 06/01/2014 20:49, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 1/6/2014 8:44 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 12:39, Ned Batchelder wrote:
I'm not talking about the technical details of bytes and Unicode. I'm
talking about making customers happy.
Simply scrap PEP 404
Not necessary.
>> Really? If people are using binary with "well-defined ascii-encoded
>> tidbits", they're doing something wrong. Perhaps you think escape
>> characters "\n" are "well defined tidbits", but YOU WOULD BE WRONG.
>> The purpose of binary is to keep things raw. WTF?
> If you want to participate in
responsibility for that, but don't
claim I'm not making a technical point which seems to be at the heart
of all the confusion regarding python/python3 and str/unicode/bytes.
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On 06/01/2014 21:42, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 4:33 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 21:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 06 January 2014 16:16:13 Terry Reedy did opine:
On 1/6/2014 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
And from my lurking here, its quite plain to me that 3.x python has
On 06/01/2014 22:22, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 5:08 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 21:42, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 1/6/14 4:33 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 06/01/2014 21:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 06 January 2014 16:16:13 Terry Reedy did opine:
On 1/6/2014 9:32 AM, Gene
ojectPhoenix which is the port of wxpython to
support Python 3. I'm not sure when it will be released by I believe
we're talking months.
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>> I would still point out that "Kenneth and Armin" are not the whole Python
>> community.
>
> I never said they were the whole community, of course. But they are not
> outliers either. [...]
>
>> Your whole argument seems to be that a couple "revered" (!!)
>> individuals should see their complain
On 06/01/2014 22:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Mark Lawrence yahoo.co.uk> writes:
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And as I started this thread, I'll say what I please, throwing my toys
out of my pram in just the same way that your pal Armin is currently doing.
I'll join Ned here: please stop it. Yo
eloped". Funny really as I see bug fixes going
into Python 2.7 on a daily basis so I can only assume that their
definition of dead is different to mine and presumably yours.
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Mark Lawrence writes:
You arrogance really has no bounds. If you'd have done the job that
you should have done in the first place and stopped that blithering
idiot 16 months ago, we wouldn't still be putting up with him now.
That is a mi
oes the PSF get its money?".
Or a misplaced need for funding to support a pet Burmese Python
Or European?
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updates or no security
updates. That's all fine.
What's not fine though is people holding the rest of us back with their
negativity and FUD that Python 3 is a mistake.
Big +1 from me to all the above.
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use of the massive overhead they've already had to
do supporting 2 and 3 in parellel. Assuming that I'm correct, who is
going to do the work involved, you Martijn?
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the bug tracker would come higher up my list,
particularly as some of them have been sitting there for ten years. Or
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argument about memory usage
to pieces. You did not bother to respond to the comments from Tim
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