nding, the use of Pickle is also dangerous if you
> are not completely sure what is being passed in:
Oh goodness yes. pickle is exactly as unsafe as eval is. Try running this code:
from pickle import loads
loads("c__builtin__\neval\n(c__builtin__\nraw_input\n(S'py>'\ntRtR
There _are_ times when this is technical, and there are specific areas
of this that have technical difficulties, but... that's different, and
interesting, and being actively researched, and not really impossible
either.
I don't know. This is maybe a bit too rant-y and disorganized; if s
t things like set builder).
Well, what sort of language differences make for English vs Mandarin?
Relational algebraic-style programming is useful, but definitely a
large language barrier to people that don't know any SQL. I think this
is reasonable. (It would not matter even if you gave SQL pyth
es when this is technical".
("political" is a bad word for it, because it covers things that are
just plain bad ideas (but, subjectively). For example, there's nothing
technically challenging about adding an operator that wipes the user's
home directory.)
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> abstractions are developed and concurrent, distributed computation is
> rigorously systematized, I think we'll go full circle.
Maybe I'm too tired, but this went straight over my head, sorry.
Perhaps you could be a bit more explicit about what you mean by the
implications/logic?
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d and only stupid people care about it."
You probably should have read the email before replying to it.
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The post you're criticising specifically gave a definition for cdr
that had the semantics he wanted. "where cdr(s) is conveniently
defined as s + 1."
(car can be defined as s[0]). The real difference is the lack of error
checking and the lack of cons.
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n editor that doesn't highlight
comments appropriately?
Fortunately, my editor can insert single-line comments in bulk, so
multi-line comments aren't a big deal to me. I don't really get why
Python doesn't have them, though.
> I would say you've made a case _against_ multi
hat refuse to do this, AFAIK.
Least importantly: Why are multiline comments line-oriented? Why not
inline, like with the C-style /* ... */ comments? This doesn't seem
like a "proper" multiline comment.
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ay or
may not return True. Then let's just go to the definition:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Well-Defined.html
"An expression is called "well-defined" (or unambiguous) if its
definition assigns it a unique interpretation or value. Otherwise, the
expression is said to not b
n? I thought it was universal...) definition of
"ill-defined":
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Ill-Defined.html
"() is ()" does not have one unique value in all interpretations. It
can be either True or False, depending on the Python. (At least, I
think this was the consensus). Therefore "is" is ill-defined in this case.
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> "is" is never ill-defined. "is" always, without exception, returns True
>> if the two operands are the same object, and Fals
ct is implementation-dependent.
>> --
>
> And if I try running "from java.util import ArrayList" in CPython it
> will give me an import error. It doesn't mean that the import
> mechanism is broken because it returns different results in different
> implementations
more predictable.
Well, no. Immutable objects could always compare equal, for example.
This is more expensive though. is as-it-stands is very quick to
execute, which is probably attractive to some people (especially for
its used in detecting special constants).
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s now. I am a bit regretful, the discussion of
whether "is" itself is ambiguous, or the actual values, doesn't really
matter. What matters is that sometimes "() is ()" will return True,
and sometimes it will return False. It doesn't really matter whether
it's "is" that's ambiguous, or the identity of newly made tuples. The
point is that something is ambiguous. And maybe that's worth changing?
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
wrote:
> Well, no. Immutable objects could always compare equal, for example.
> This is more expensive though. is as-it-stands is very quick to
> execute, which is probably attractive to some people (especially for
> its used in detec
crete computational process objects do.
I meant "number objects".
I hope I did not cause any genuine confusion.
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off the top of my head.
Hold up, why do we give up interning? As you mention later, interning
only involves hashing and equality comparisons, not id() or is. (e.g.
we can intern `y` just fine with `y = cache.setdefault(y, y)`)
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Tim Delaney
wrote:
> On 24 April 2012 09:08, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Tim Delaney
>> wrote:
>> > And doing that would make zero sense, because it directly contradicts
>> > the
>>
'm not in favor of doing that. It's a nice
optimization, there's no point doing it in cases where it leads to
_worse_ performance.
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am done with this thread.
... Good idea.
We clearly understand Python's behavior. I just spent the whole time
bickering about definitions. Ugh. I'm an idiot. Sorry for the trouble.
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ttention to the "bytes of code" comparison
-- it's rare one sees a language more verbose than C)
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=ats&lang2=gcc
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random floats takes about 1.5 seconds to do on my
machine. More complicated objects take more time, but usually not that
much more time. What exactly are you sorting?
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time.datetime.now() + datetime.timedelta(random.getrandbits(10)),
>>> random.getrandbits(32)) for _ in xrange(1172026)]
>>> random.shuffle(x)
>>> x.sort()
>>>
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ere is only that one
thing -- Luke has no """fork""" of his own codebase.
I guess it won't die of stagnation, eh? It'll be a perfectly usable,
stable project, led by a thief.
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etty general and good though.
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; objects in Python space, which could then forward the output in any way you
> want.
Surely a pipe would cause a deadlock if the pipe fills up if Python
and the C program are running in the same process/thread?
I'm not too familiar with these sorts of things.
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> you're expecting them.
How am I supposed to know to expect them, if they are undocumented?
Trial and error? That seems like a poor replacement for documented
error conditions.
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p`
in the list documentation. Kinda hard to get there without already
knowing the answer.
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reading the docs on ValueError is probably worth doing
the first time you see it. Although, it's also one of those exceptions
that has a "clear" name, so it isn't something everyone will do. I'm
not sure if I ever did it. And certainly the OP never looked there.
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:
http://docs.cython.org/src/userguide/debugging.html
Now if only my editor would bold those "cdef"s... :)
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t wasn't serialized
properly.
repr() is not meant for storing data, it's meant for presenting it to
a programmer.
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t on the wording of
str.isdecimal()? It seems to imply that ''.isdecimal() should be true.
(It isn't.) Especially when compared like that to isdigit, which makes
a point of noting this particular edge case.
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only a few weeks ago. And that's a stronger claim anyway. ;)
> Here are some other resources I have stumbled on...
> [...]
> http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/index.html
This looks really good. Thanks.
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This was previously reported as http://bugs.python.org/issue12947
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laugh
> even though I'd like to.
Can you be less condescending?
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be backwards incompatible, though, so maybe it's too late.
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>>>
>>> def myexec(s):
... eval(compile(s, '', 'single'))
...
>>> x = 3
>>> myexec('x = 4')
>>> myexec('x')
3
>>> myexec('print x')
3
>>>
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:12 PM, News123 wrote:
> If I start Python in interactive mode,
> and I yype the commands,
> 'a=3', 'a', 'print a'
>
>
> Then the
the additional option
of providing a special file opener.
http://docs.python.org/dev/library/functions.html#open
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eap.py were in the same directory. Otherwise it
looks like whichever comes first in the search path is imported first.
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'w', and open has a large and growing list of parameters.
A chmod method would also work. Although you can use
os.fchmod(f.fileno(), ...) instead (another workaround? fun. TIMTOWTDI
I guess).
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fter Haskell). Of those three, Prolog would be easiest
to use with Python, due to its predictable execution and the existence
of bindings (search PyPI).
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thing other
than the interpreter.
The bytecode doesn't really have much to do with all this, except that
it is the specific thing that CPython works with.
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Javascript also lets you break lines. For example, this does what you want:
return 1
+ 5
Whereas this does not
return
1 + 5
Of course, Python would have no such problem, because you could make both
cases unambiguous due to the indent.
Devin
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3
ts, namely, by doing it to the tokenstream rather than to the
actual text)
Devin
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Bruce Leban wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>>
>> Javascript also lets you break lines. For example, this does what yo
parentheses and
especially \ everywhere. Parentheses can be awkward and don't quite
work everywhere the way one might want, and \ has that trailing space
ugliness.
Devin
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Bruce Leban wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
>
that has indentation stripped
or mangled due to the transition medium would be even harder to
recompose.
Devin
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Jim Jewett wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>> Howeverm indentation errors have been extremely rare
value in a
meaningful sense, it's just that by saying that we say that the values
being passed are references/pointers. This is maybe one level of
abstraction below what's ideal, but Scheme, Java, etc. share this
terminology. (Ruby calls it pass-by-reference AFAIK. Whatever, a rose
by any other name...)
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On May 4, 6:51 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2011 02:56:28 -0700, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> > Python is pass-by-value in a
> > meaningful sense, it's just that by saying that we say that the values
> > being passed are references/pointers. This is may
On May 4, 6:56 am, Hans Georg Schaathun wrote:
> On Wed, 4 May 2011 02:56:28 -0700 (PDT), Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>
> : Eh, that example doesn't say what you think it does. It has the same
> : behavior in C:http://ideone.com/Fq09N. Python is pass-by-value in a
> :
thing for me to
self-deprecatingly suggest I'm brainwashed (with a smile), and another
for you to agree in complete seriousness.
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ean function f. But
> what is the easiest (fool-proof) way to print out a diagram of g ?
Python doesn't come with support for (ro)bdds built-in. You're
probably thinking of this library, which includes visualization
instructions:
http://pyeda.readthedocs.io/en/latest/bdd.html
Sadly, no. :( Consoles (and stdout) are just text, not hypertext. The way
to make an URL clickable is to use a terminal that makes URLs clickable,
and print the URL:
print("%s: %s" % (description, url))
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> Excel
Sadly, no. :( Consoles (and stdout) are just text, not hypertext. The way to
make an URL clickable is to use a terminal that makes URLs clickable, and print
the URL:
print("%s: %s" % (description, url))
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wrote:
> Excel
raise UnboundLocalError if not x
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possibility, and there's no rule that says "just because this will
always raise an exception, we can fail at compile-time instead". Maybe
a particular UnboundLocalError was on purpose, after all. Python
doesn't know. So probably this can't ever sensibly be a compile
error, even if it's a fantastically useful lint warning.
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ety a couple of years ago (to help with
things like GIL-less python projects), but I guess nothing ever came
of it.
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g someone. Even if you think it is
justified, consider how it looks to others. I am afraid of ever
getting on your "bad side", and I bet the same is true of other
non-Bart people, too.
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were bullying.
The behavior on the list the past few days has been unforgivably
toxic, and that has nothing to do with the behavior of Bart et al.
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ext(fname)
sys.path.insert(0, dname)
try:
return __import__(modname)
finally:
del sys.path[0]
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can either maintain a killfile or use the mailing list.
The state of discussion here as it stands is absurd, what with the
trolling and irrelevant rants and subsequent explosions of hate.
This list needs stronger moderation. Please.
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uot; I want an
> HTTP POST request to be executed.
Uh oh. What you want is impossible. You cannot call an attribute
without first accessing it. :(
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:04:16 -0800, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
>> Uh oh. What you want is impossible. You cannot call an attribute without
>> first accessing it. :(
>
> Not quite impossible. All you need is an
setup.py
* furniture/
...
* tests/
- test_chair.py
- test_common.py
- test_table.py
Note that tests is not a package either. py.test and nose work by
loading files, NOT modules. So they won't work with loading test
submodules in a package.
For this and other reasons, I personally stay away from nose and py.test.
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docs frequently point out
potential security vulnerabilities in usages of libraries where pydoc
does not. (The wording *is* awkward, though.)
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learn
things that are unnecessary to get the bare minimum accomplished.
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e will be either
classobj or instance; and the __class__ doesn't exist (for class
objects) or is what you'd expect (for instances).
This isn't particularly pathological, so I disagree with the
suggestion that one should always definitely use type() for style
reasons.
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>>> c2 - c1
Counter({'a': 1})
>>> [(k, c2[k]) for k in c2 - c1]
[('a', 2)]
Counter subtraction is multiset subtraction, not set subtraction.
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going to perform.
I don't know. Will it do float addition? int addition? size_t
addition? How does coercion work?
+ can do many different things, it's not just a straight translation
to an obvious machine instruction.
> If you maim yourself with a razor-sharp chisel, do you blame the chi
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>> Yes you do. Lifetimes are hard, because you need to malloc a lot, and
>> there is no defined lifetime for pointers -- they could last for just
>> the l
arguments that can only be passed by keyword". Am I correct?
It's good practice in technical writing to repeat yourself: once in
the formal spec, and once in plain english. I don't see why this would
be a typo.
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print "accessing attr"
return instance._attr
def __set__(self, instance, value):
print "setting attr to {}".format(value)
instance._attr = value
a = A()
a.attr
a.attr = 42
A().attr
A().attr = 3
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I can't tell from your email who the original author of the forwarded
email is. :(
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> More mailing list erraticness:
> I see Ethan's comment on Devin but not Devin's post
> Neither in GG nor in my email
No
h I will explain few to no specific
disagreements, nor will I give anyone the benefit of the doubt,
because that would be silly.
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et the most help if you provide a minimal, self-contained,
runnable example, and an example of its exact output.
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is
doesn't seem like a useful question to ask. Anyway, most of the useful
bits of Python aren't present or have different semantics than how
they work in lisps.
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On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Chris Seberino wrote:
> On Friday, January 3, 2014 11:10:07 AM UTC-6, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
>> A lecturer of mine back in university did this (implemented a subset
>> of Python in Racket). My understanding is that this is primarily
>> int
abeled
as such. I try to reword them as, "I prefer to look at it as ..." --
it's less aggressive, which means people are more likely to really
listen to what you have to say. It also doesn't pretend to be an
argument when it isn't.
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, if a benefit of backporting things is an
easier eventual migration to 3.x, it's killing two birds with one
stone.
At any rate it's not a possibility to sneer at and suggest is
improbable or a waste of time. It is a rational outcome for a codebase
of a large enough size.
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ould have to look up the callstack to see
if its direct caller came from a module which enabled that future
feature).
I'm not sure there's anything that can't in principle be
sort-of-sanely encoded as a __future__ feature though.
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>> For example, I imagine that it is kind of _silly_ to have a
>> __future__.disable_str_autoencoding on a per-module basis, because
>> some modules'
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>> What if we decide there is no single source of responsibility, and it
>> can't be limited exactly to a module, and make a __future__ feature
>> the b
ppy that there's no way to enforce/test a
polyglot conversion until it is complete. Any kind of granularity
would have helped. :(
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it is a directory. It can
do it this way because it doesn't need to preserve the interleaved
order of directories and files, but there's other solutions for you if
you do want to preserve that order. (Although they won't be as clean
as they would be in a language with ADTs)
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uring out who to
punish, and discourages people from enabling cheaters.
If one of their fellow students copied their assignment, they actually
likely would be in trouble, and could be expelled or failed.
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uld ever match two, though. It'd match once
as-is, or thrice if you make the repetition greedy (get rid of the
?s).
>>> p = re.compile('((?:CAA)+?)((?:TCT)+?)((?:TA)+?)')
>>> p.findall('CAACAACAATCTTCTTCTTCTTATATA')
[('CAACAACAA', 'TCTTCTTCTTCT', 'TA')]
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prevent you from doing
> so?
I don't see any way in which someone uncomfortable with the re module
would magically find themselves perfectly at home with the regex
module. The regex module is the re module with some extra features
(and complexity), is it not?
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mp;& make install).
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:00 AM, wrote:
> Well, I retired early, and I guess now I've got some spare time to learn
> about programming, which always seemed rather mysterious. I am using an old
> mac as my main computer, and it runs os x 10.4 is this t
assume you don't have the function definition syntax memorized,
and just define functions. And assume you don't know Python, so just
hire someone else to write your code instead.
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on after the fact, but you'd want the memory to be unpageable
before it has contents put in it, not after.
Destroying memory is comparatively easy, as you say -- just make the
object's internal state "invalid", rather than adding anything to the
language.
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On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
>> Destroying memory is comparatively easy, as you say -- just make the
>> object's internal state "invalid", rather than adding anything to the
>> langua
Why not take ownership of the file object, instead of requiring users
to manage lifetimes?
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wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm currently developing a library called pyiso (
> https://github.com/clalancette/pyiso), used for manipul
Documentation is all you can do.
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On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Chris Lalancette wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
> wrote:
>> Why not take ownership of the file object, instead of requiring users
>> to manage lifetimes?
>
> Yeah, I&#
ersus “non-callable attribute”?
Obviously, yes.
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in benefit
of the u'...' syntax addition.
For 3.2, you'll have to do b'...' for bytes, '...' for unicode, and
str('...') for platform-specific strings (bytes on 2.x, unicode on
3.x). It is in good taste to make an alias of str so it's less
confusin
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Devin Jeanpierre writes:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Ben Finney
>> wrote:
>> > from __future__ import unicode_literals
>>
>> Ordinarily, for 2.x/3.3+ code I would suggest not doing
em as
my_svr.blahblah, then only the second set of imports are necessary.
P.S. don't use import *, and if you do use import *, don't use more
than one per file -- it makes it really hard to figure out where a
given global came from (was it defined here? was it defined in model?
was it defined in sampling?)
I hope that resolves all your questions!
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r not grep
succeeded -- so you can redirect stdout and stderr to os.devnull and
avoid using .communicate(). Also, if you can't use .communicate(),
but need to access stdout, this is the most common reason to need
threads with subprocess.
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Ganesh P
0 ** 0
I'd file a bug report but I'm anticipating some rational (heh)
explanation. Any ideas?
Python 3.4 also raises this exception, but the error message is less
informative. ("decimal.InvalidOperation: []").
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