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> might help
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over and over for "if" statements and perhaps
some kind of case/switch statement and while loops and so on, may be
parsimonious but ...
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age and still fail. Throw in the reality that your loop may
use variable manipulated in parallel by other threads and that your thread may
be killed as it runs and I wonder.
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doesn’t allow trailing commas in lists and mappings.
* JSON doesn’t provide easy cross-referencing, interpolation, or composition.
The Python config module provides an interface to work with configuration files
written
in the CFG format.
Comprehensive documentation is available at
https://docs.red
cher.
I'm not sure that's true. Most beginners, in my experience,
learn the syntax from their teachers and then go off and play.
What they observe happening is what sticks. And python loop
'else' constructs appear inconsistent to them.
As teachers we like to think we are pass
imply that ELSE is a grab
bag case that can mean many things to many people.
But if the specific meaning is clearly documented, use it. Lots of people
who program in languages like Python do not necessarily even speak much
English and just memorize the keywords.
We can come up with ever more inter
often an example of this
happening.
So if you looked at your own code now, in the context of the rest of your
code, would you change things?
in python, I suspect I would seriously change an amazing number of things
for older code including code being ported. It supports quite a few
programming
f times. But in Pascal I use it regularly.
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stored in a null-terminated array and the accepted way to copy it
might be to use pointers called p (the source) and q(the destination) in
weird and compact code like:
while (*q++ = *p++);
Now Python does not have some of those operators but copying strings is
fairly trivial with no visible
needs to do things in the current environment and
thus only part of the functionality can be moved away.
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hat's good enough for me :-)
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Used by 4.8k but only ... 4 stars
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dead code (possibly emitting
a warning in the process?).
A linter likewise might identify the redundant code.
I don't use any python linters, does anyone know if they do
detect such dead spots?
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ething, such as an object
like a deque, you get to know it so well that you may stop commenting on how
you are using some built-in feature as it seems routine.
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programming languages.
They are not sentient and cannot be asked to solve much of anything.
So is the question whether someone can program using only Python to solve an
arbitrary sudoku problem? Short answer is you can do that in just about ANY
language. I mean by brute force, if you have a 9 by 9 matrix
On 16/09/2021 06:50, af kh wrote:
> Hello,
> I was doing some coding on a website called replit
I have no idea what that is but...
> after answering 'no' or 'yes' after the last sentence I wrote,
> the Python window shut off,
That's what you told it t
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On 16/09/2021 06:50, af kh wrote:
> Hello,
> I was doing some coding on a website called replit
I have no idea what that
at
# class
def __init__(self, *a, **k): super().__init__(*a, *k) self.__something = 0
def get_something(self): return self.something
op = opaque.make_opaque()
# But I want to have this as type MyClass. This obviously doesn't work:
my_object = MyClass(op)
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l.etree.ElemenTree and .Element to circumvent its idiotic namespace
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functions to return my derived MyElement classes. I think it could work but I
somehow need to convert the root Element to a MyElement.
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st):
File "", line 1, in
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'jam'
>>> class foo(str): pass
...
>>> s = foo('hello')
>>> s.jam = 3
>>> s.jam
3
There's a lot of places in Python where you can break sta
On 2021-09-21, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On the prolog thread, somebody posted a link to:
><https://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html>
>
> One thing that it tangentially says is "XML is not the answer."
>
> I read this page right when I was abo
tools. In JSON all that checking is entirely
> handled by the consuming program(s).
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for validating JSON files, and there appear to be at least four
implementations in Python.
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ti 21. syysk. 2021 klo 16.53 Mohsen Owzar ([email protected])
kirjoitti:
> Hi Guys
> Long time ago I've written a program in Malab a GUI for solving Sudoku
> puzzles, which worked not so bad.
> Now I try to write this GUI with Python with PyQt5 or TKinter.
> Fir
a version. Thanks to
Blazej
Floch for the report and suggested fix.
* Fixed #150: Fix incorrect handling of epochs.
* Reverted handling of tags for Python >= 3.10 (use 310 rather than 3_10). This
is
because PEP 641 was rejected.
* Added a GitHub Actions workflow to perform tests.
A more de
well be a fairly slow and
even error-prone way to solve a problem.
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 10:55 PM Mats Wichmann wrote:
>
>
more like that?
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"Avi Gross" writes:
>But scientific papers seemingly allow oodles of authors and any time
rmats are also available ;-)
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efore pontificating.Then I would
ignore any potential future enhancements and choose the easiest possible
mechanism. I have used json with python and been delighted at the ease of
converting data into dicts and even arbitrary nesting where data values can
also be dicts etc.Good luck--(Unsigned mail from my
On 2021-09-24, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:53 AM dn via Python-list
> wrote:
>> On 25/09/2021 06.59, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>> > CSV: Good for tabular data of a single data type (strings). As soon as
>> > there's a second data type (numb
On 2021-09-25, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2021-09-24 23:32:47 -, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> JSON Schema provides a way to denote composite types.
>
> I probably wasn't clear what I meant. In XML, every element has a tag,
> which is basically its type. So by
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thers have already produced the data using
other tools, in which case you have to read it in at least once/
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O
re typical use of
"generator" as used in python in which some code sort of runs as needed to
keep generating the next item to work on. Do you mean something that creates
realistic test cases to simulate a real-word scenario? These often can
create everything at once and often based on rando
I replied to Michael privately but am intrigued by his words here:
"The thing that creates realistic test cases is my brain."
I consider extensions to my brain to include using a language like Python on
my computer and in particular, to take a model I think of and instantiate
it. Lots
Well, Michael, if you want to go back to the eighties, and people you worked
with, I did my Thesis with a professor who later had an Erdős number of 1!
Too bad I never got around to publishing something with him or I could have
been a 2!
But that work, being so long ago, was not in Python but
spoke including Hungarian and Math.
Well, time to get back to something remotely about Python. Is there any
concept of a Rossum Number where anyone who worked directly with Guido Van
Rossum is a 1 (or True or truthy) and ...
Hey I just realized my Berners-Lee number might be 1 but it was so long ago
does Python have?
[] - list comprehension
{} - dictionary OR set comprehension
() - generator expression
Tuples are incomprehensible and I wonder if any other comprehensions might
make sense to add, albeit we may need new symbols.
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+1000,
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:10 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2021-09-29 at 11:38:22 +1300,
dn via Python-list wrote:
For those of us who remember/can compute in binary, octal, hex, or
decimal as-needed:
Why do programmers confuse
Sounds like an excellent homework question.
But your method of using an object is not what first comes to mind based on
your cursory description.
There is a python idiom using functional programming that looks like this:
def doit(a, b, fun): return(fun(a,b))
So make up your own
The board of editors of the Python Papers has decided to let the
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It will not be renewed in November.
Anyone interested in it can get in touch.
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another. Here are examples I just typed:
+1
1
+1
1
+-+-+-1
-1
---1
-1
--1
1
Luckily since Python has no ++ or -- pre or post operators, these are legal,
albeit a tad weird.
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Grant Edwards writes:
> On 2021-10-04, Cecil Westerhof via Python-list wrote:
>> When I run:
>> pip3 list --outdated
>>
>> I get:
>> Package Version Latest Type
>> --- -- -
>> cryptography 3.4.8 35.0.0
.
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Subject: Fwd: Re: sum() vs. loop
On 10/10/2021 09:49, Steve Keller wrote:
> I have found the sum() function to be much slower than to loop over
> the op
worry
the original might be changed out from under.
My apologies if it was understood to mean I had shown it was copied.
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ion?
Best wishes
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On 22/10/2021 12:19, Antoon Pardon wrote:
I have a file with python code but the name doesn't end with the '.py'
suffix.
What is the easiest way to import this code as a module without
changing its name?
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but the attribute references "self.ctr" is no identifier!
This seems a surprising omission. You'd expect at least 'attributeref'
and 'subscription' to be allowed, if not the whole of 'target'.
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to show that
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On 2021-10-23, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 4:39 AM Jon Ribbens via Python-list
> wrote:
>> On 2021-10-23, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> > In what situations do you need to mutate an attribute and also test
>> > it, and how much hassle is it to simp
messed up if evaluated as a regular expression. So is it any
wonder NOBODY suggests the above be done?
As Chris has said, something was added to Python that is a partial
implementation. There are fairly reasonable ways to do additional things and
until recently, those were the proper and only way. But
) events?
(I'm not familiar with tkinter, but in wxpython you can.)
And if so, does trapping KeyUp solve the problem?
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he topic here is the Python run-time parser though. It is reading your code
and doing whatever complex set of things it has to do to parse from a fairly
large set of possible valid programs as well as invalid ones. I have never
looked deeply at how it works but my guess is that somewhere in the
We have had discussions debating if Python is a good language for teaching.
The short answer is NO unless you only teach a small subset and the students
know there is more they can learn as needed. The language is too rich and
has too many ways to do seemingly anything and that is before you add
.
Avi
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Subject: Re: Beginner in python
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 9:23 AM Kian Kwame wrote:
>
> hi buddie
> am new to python somebody kindly advice the coding which w
d
not be a souped-up generalized_sum() function when a simple one will do and
be faster when invoked so many times.
And note often what is used is a temporary lambda anonymous function that
may look like \(x,y) x+y ... or whatever syntax your language uses.
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in contact and lets you add friends and view them
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 2:36 AM
To: Python
Subject: Re: Create a contact book
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 5:30 PM anders Limpan wrote:
>
> i would like to
I think anyone who suggests we should separate costs from benefits belongs
securely within the academic world and should remain there.
Practical things need to be built considering costs. Theoretical things,
sure, cost is not an issue.
Python is not only a real-world set of applications but an
I used to be on the Tutor list for python and found it was not for me. Yes, we
should refer people there especially those who seem to have HW and would like
some gentle coaching but not outright answers.
What frustrated me is that rarely would we be told by people what they had
learned and
Dave,
You make me wonder about unintended side effects. Are we allowing the ++ and
--- operations into Python through a side door?
any context that allows you to insert the walrus operator like:
index := index + 1
index := index - 1
Is now similar to notations in C/C++ and
I realized that the person seeking completeness in Python may next ask why
the Walrus operator, :=, is not properly extended to include a whole
assortment of allowed assignment operators
I mean in normal python programs you are allowed to abbreviate
x = x + 5
with
x += 5
I just realized I left out **= so my apologies. Are there other such
abbreviations and does anyone use them?
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Subject: walrus with a twist
ome languages have a built-in extension
method such as R that allows you to create arbitrary functions by placing
them between % signs as in %>% or %percentile%
If Python wanted to add more flexibility than admittedly it already has,
then possibly something like I jokingly suggested as a
purpose
in Python as using them means you do not need to specify an argument twice
and you can specify some dunder methods that make it more efficient to type:
obj += obj2
rather than
obj = obj + obj2
So there may be a valid argument, not just about completeness, to implement
something BUT as
ial class for it:
>
>if g := re.search(pat1, text):
> hack(g.group(1))
>elif g := re.search(pat2, text):
> smack(g.group(2), "foo")
>...
>
> It's way messier if you have to separate the assignment and test the old
> way. That said, I&#
nse and make the
program easier to read.
So, the obvious solution is to ask the language, like Python, to allow
variables that are synonyms. In languages with pointers, this can often be
done fairly easily. In some languages with some optimizations, it can be
dangerous as some copies of this kind
, 5+cos(x))) …
Not necessarily pretty and I am sure there may well be reasons it won’t work,
but I wonder if it will work in more places than the currently minimal walrus
operator.
From: Antoon Pardon
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:03 AM
To: Avi Gross ; [email protected]
Subj
Good points, Peter.
Although we are discussing Python, I think it would be reasonable to look a
bit more broadly.
Ages ago, IBM used a different encoding than ASCII called EBCDIC (Extended
Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code ) which let them use all 8 bits and
thus add additional symbols
ltiple CONTRADICTORY such
declarations and it is often a matter of taste. In some languages I use periods
in longer variable names and in others I use underscores and many times I use
camelCase, Hungarian notation and others. The compiler and interpreter
generally do NOT care.
To bring this bac
, that should do even on standard keyboards.
∴
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Subject: Re: walrus with a twist :+= or ...
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:53 AM Avi Gross via Python-list
wrote:
> Is ther
gs it follows:
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lf.ctr - 1) <= 0 :
Then assuming passing it 'ctr' as a string makes sense, and the object self is
passed by reference, I can see it working without a walrus operator.
But it is extra overhead. This being python, setting values WITHIN an object is
a challenge. I mean there are ways t
it for them, as in some asking about HW.
I am not joining this one. 😉
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Am Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at
As it reaches the contact() statement, I get this error:
TypeError: first argument must be an iterable of pandas objects, you passed an
object of type "DataFrame"
Based on the definition I wrote in the beginning of the code, "dict[name]"
should be a dataframe. Isn't that?
How can I fix that?
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0
M3 0, 'K1': Value
0 10
1 5
2 10
6 2
7 2
8 2, 'K2': Value
3 20
4 10
5 15}
For K1, there should be three rows and two columns labeled as Value.
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Value
0 10.0NaN
15.0NaN
2 10.0NaN
6NaN2.0
7NaN2.0
8NaN2.0, 'K2':Value
3 20
4 10
5 15}
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Hello Team,
I'm trying to add logs in the new relic platform from a python application.
For that, I've to add logs in a local file in a specific format which is
'{"log.level":"%(levelname)s", "log.entity.name":"my-service-name",
"messa
On 2021-11-10, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> Hi!
>
> How do I handle a SIGINT (or any other signal) avoid nesting?
I don't think you need to. Python will only call signal handlers in
the main thread, so a handler can't be executed while another handler
is running anyway.
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lobal stores" but the
output is `None`. Any idea about that?
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>>> df.iloc[1].name
Correct I also see that 'df.index[1]' works fine.
Thanks.
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'1,024'
How can I fix that? Any idea?
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> (see
> https://pandas.pydata.org/pandas-docs/stable/reference/api/pandas.read_csv.html)
Got it. Thanks.
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On 2021-11-17, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Is the proliferation of packaging formats in Python as nutzo as this author
> believes?
>
> https://drewdevault.com/2021/11/16/Python-stop-screwing-distros-over.html
>
> Asking because I've never been in the business of re
lotting/_matplotlib/core.py",
line 903, in _get_subplots
ax for ax in self.axes[0].get_figure().get_axes() if isinstance(ax, Subplot)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_axes'
I guess there is a mismatch between versions. Is there any workaround for that?
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buteError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_axes'
The error is weird. I have stick at this error...
Any thoughts on that?
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t
by the bit representation of 6 and stores a result which then is handed to
sqrt() and if the bits are not identical, there is no guarantee that the
result is identical.
I will say this. Python has perhaps an improved handling of large integers.
Many languages have an assortment of integer sizes you
n
floats but on the design not accommodating the precision needed or perhaps
on the algorithm used not necessarily being expected to reach a certain
level.
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On 20/11/2021 22:59, Avi Gross via Python-list wrote:
there are grey lines along the way where some
mathematical proofs do weird things like IGNORE parts of a calculation by
suggesting they are going to zero much faster than other parts and then wave
a mathematical wand about what happens when
.
As such, since this is a Python Forum let me add you can get limited support
for some of this using the decimal module:
https://www.askpython.com/python-modules/python-decimal-module
But I doubt Python can be said to do things worse than just about any other
computer language when storing and usin
expectations.
The example I gave, is NOW, indeed on quite firm footing but for quite a while
was not.
What we have in this forum recently is people taking pot shots at aspects of
Python where in a similar way, they know not what is actually happening and
insist it be some other way. Some people
a repeating decimal but 14 and 10 are not coprime.
I believe it is correct to say that infinitely recurring expansions
occur when the denominator is divisible by a prime that does not divide
the base.
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er calculations.
I note some of your argument is the valid difference between when your
knowledge of the input numbers is uncertain and what the computer does with
them. Yes, my measures of the height/width/depth may be uncertain and it is not
the fault of a python program if it multiplies the
limited.
Is there any official limit on the maximum size of a python integer other
than available memory?
And replying sparsely, yes, pretty much nothing can be represent completely
in base e other than integral multiples of e, perhaps. No other numbers,
especially integers, can be linear combinations
().get_axes() if isinstance(ax, Subplot)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_axes'
I am pretty sure that there is a version mismatch because on a system with
Pandas 1.3.3 the output should be like https://imgur.com/a/LZ9eAzl
Any feedback is appreciated.
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>I installed the latest pandas, although on Python 3.10, and the script
>worked without a problem.
Yes as I wrote it works with 1.3.3 but mine is 1.2.3.
I am trying to keep the current version because of the possible future
consequences. In the end maybe I have to upgrade the pandas.
R
lf._get_subplots()
File
"/home/mnaderan/.local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/pandas/plotting/_matplotlib/core.py",
line 903, in _get_subplots
ax for ax in self.axes[0].get_figure().get_axes() if isinstance(ax, Subplot)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_axes'
Any idea about that?
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line 903, in _get_subplots
ax for ax in self.axes[0].get_figure().get_axes() if isinstance(ax, Subplot)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_axes'
Although the plot() crashes, I see that row and axes variabl
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