Re: [Python-Dev] Sharing expat instances

2005-12-14 Thread Steve Holden
un from zip files it's difficult to avoid a reduction in sharing anyway - without some kind of additional mechanism there's no guarantee that two modules with the same filename are actually the same library anyway, and there's every likelihood that over time several zipped applic

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications

2005-12-15 Thread Steve Holden
addition of the 'text' module] Seems to me your solution is obvious: import text as somethingelse regartds Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-19 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > just noticed an embarrasing misspelling in one of my recent checkins, only That's "embarrassing", by the way. You're obviously having a bad spelling day :-) not-throwing-stones-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1

Re: [Python-Dev] Expose Subversion revision number to Python

2005-12-19 Thread Steve Holden
y convey anything useful. > I thought it was more succinct than the build-date when rebuilding continuously during testing, but I guess I'm only -0 on dropping it. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.co

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-20 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>That's "embarrassing", by the way. You're obviously having a bad >>spelling day :-) > > > I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly > valid... >

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-20 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>>I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly >>>valid... >>> >> >>Anything you say, Frederick ... >> >>thirteen-million-google-hits-can't-possibl

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-21 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > - is it perhaps time to start investigating using "lighter" tools for the core > documentation ? > +1 regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holde

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-21 Thread Steve Holden
e with that style, but for some reason the oft-repeated advice that plain text markup is an acceptable format for documentation contributions doesn't seem to have escaped the gravity field. So that's just as good for the existing docs as anything that replaces them (if anything does). regard

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-22 Thread Steve Holden
complain than to contribute. Maybe we should fix > that problem... > I very much agree that we should, and *not* by making it more difficult to complain ;-) Could the PSF help here by offering annual prizes for the best contributions to the documentation, or wouldn't that be an a

Re: [Python-Dev] timeout options in high-level networking modules

2005-12-22 Thread Steve Holden
al socket.defaulttimout() or somehow monkey-patch the modules you want to use, and neither of those options are entirely satisfactory. Basically any method that can create a new TCP connection should acquire an optional timeout=None parameter, right? regards Steve -- Steve

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-24 Thread Steve Holden
ly run Python installed from packaged installers. Alternatively, is there any mileage in trying to either get Sourceforge to provide Windows machines in the compile farm, or get Microsoft to provide more software fee to Windows testers? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 8

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-24 Thread Steve Holden
Steve Holden wrote: [...] > Alternatively, is there any mileage in trying to either get Sourceforge > to provide Windows machines in the compile farm, or get Microsoft to > provide more software fee to Windows testers? ^fee^free^ -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 31

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-24 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Steve> Alternatively, is there any mileage in trying to either get > Steve> Sourceforge to provide Windows machines in the compile farm, or > Steve> get Microsoft to provide more software fee to Windows testers? > > How about seeing

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-26 Thread Steve Holden
Steve Holden wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Steve> Alternatively, is there any mileage in trying to either get >>Steve> Sourceforge to provide Windows machines in the compile farm, or >>Steve> get Microsoft to provide more software fee to Windo

Re: [Python-Dev] a quit that actually quits

2005-12-28 Thread Steve Holden
typing a > name shows its repr()). > > In the mean time I'm a strong believer in "it ain't broke so don't fix it" > here. > +1, with the proviso that we might add a description of how to exit to the interactive rubric (if anyone can

Re: [Python-Dev] Ph.D. dissertation ideas?

2006-01-12 Thread Steve Holden
gage a neophyte with an specific teaching strategy (possibly based on personality analysis) and then present problems to verify comprehension and offer appropriate feedback. That would be a terrific game! regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] TAR problems under Solaris

2006-01-13 Thread Steve Holden
group made good money selling an "extended" version of tar (that coped with longer paths than the standard version) to customers who could afford it. Guess they never fed the changes back into the trunk ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119

Re: [Python-Dev] Names matter.

2006-01-16 Thread Steve Holden
inly, > it should not be acceptable to contribute to Python under a false name. > In principle I think you are correct. In practice it's difficult to see how to nsure this without insistence on some digital certificate from an acceptable CA - by which I mean one that actually chec

Re: [Python-Dev] timeit module

2006-01-16 Thread Steve Holden
of the Zen > of Python. > Presumably for benchmarking purposes the function call overhead would be present for all compaered techniques. Do you mean rules #0 and #2? > [...] regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] Names matter.

2006-01-16 Thread Steve Holden
me, *really*. > Sorry. My previous message suffered from a smiley-deficiency. Clearly there is little point in a signed piece of paper saying "I am me, signed 'me'". regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden W

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

2006-01-18 Thread Steve Holden
he normal str and repr coercions via %s and %r >>respectively. > > > Is the byte type intended to be involved in string formatters at all? > Does byte("%i") % 3 have the obvious effect, or is it an error? > > Although upon further consideration I don&

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

2006-01-18 Thread Steve Holden
x27;t even be interested in seeing 1.3407807929942597e+154 written in fixed point form *in decimal*, let alone in binary where the representation, though unambiguous, would have over 500 bits, most of them zeros. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Ho

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

2006-01-18 Thread Steve Holden
Steve Holden wrote: [...] > Personally I wouldn't even be interested in seeing > 1.3407807929942597e+154 written in fixed point form *in decimal*, let > alone in binary where the representation, though unambiguous, would have > over 500 bits, most of them zeros. > Well, sho

Re: [Python-Dev] Python icon

2006-01-18 Thread Steve Holden
priate enlightenment was eventually attained through Google: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-January/319862.html > That's probably not a bad idea. We should also add script explaining how to download the beta site data and the generation software so people can

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

2006-01-18 Thread Steve Holden
tlandish. > > But if there were a stdlib function to format floats losslessly in hex > or binary, Tim Peters would use it at least once every six weeks to > illustrate the finer points of floating point arithmetic. <0.00390625 > wink> > > +1.0 > Nah, Tim's got

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

2006-01-19 Thread Steve Holden
hould we allow a "digits" argument, or just the radix argument? > Another possibility, since Python 3 can break backward compatibility: we could take a page out of Icon's book and use an "rN" suffix for non-decimal literals. 23 == 27r8 == 17r16 regards Steve -- Ste

Re: [Python-Dev] Path inherits from string

2006-01-26 Thread Steve Holden
one defined, otherwise reverting to current behaviour? That way we could just just define an __open__(self) method for path objects. I doubt performance is a huge issue here. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenw

[Python-Dev] SourceForge Download Page, Subversion Home Page

2006-01-27 Thread Steve Holden
several of these kinds of discussions. I'll try to only spill on to the python-dev list what impinges on developers. Your opinions on these specific issues are probably the most significant. [pydotorgers: let's try not to spam python-dev with any discussions

Re: [Python-Dev] threadsafe patch for asynchat

2006-02-07 Thread Steve Holden
ut, how do I give the dispatcher control again to process the next asynchronous network event? The usual answer is "process the request in a thread". That way the dispatcher can spring to life for each event as quickly as needed. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +

Re: [Python-Dev] threadsafe patch for asynchat

2006-02-08 Thread Steve Holden
Josiah Carlson wrote: > "Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Steve Holden wrote: >> >> >>>>What is the reason that people want to use threads when they can have >>>>poll/select-style message processing? Why does Zope requir

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's just *keep* lambda

2006-02-08 Thread Steve Holden
nly if a > community consensus emerges from the thousands of random variants? > Right, then we can get back to important stuff like how to represent octal constants. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's just *keep* lambda

2006-02-09 Thread Steve Holden
f actually *giving up* once you know it's time. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mai

Re: [Python-Dev] Pervasive socket failures on Windows

2006-02-12 Thread Steve Holden
agree with the solution. > > I was away from mail, ahem, "working". > yeah, right, at your off-site boondoggle south of the border. we know. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhancing the shutil module

2010-01-18 Thread Steve Steiner (listsin)
On Jan 18, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Masklinn wrote: > On 18 Jan 2010, at 13:40 , Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Tarek Ziadé wrote: >>> There's one remaining external call for "zip" done if the zip module >>> is not found, but I am happy to remove it and throw an exception if >>> it's not found, and keep the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3146: Merge Unladen Swallow into CPython

2010-01-21 Thread Steve Steiner (listsin)
On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Collin Winter wrote: > Hey Greg, > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: >> +1 >> My biggest concern is memory usage but it sounds like addressing that is >> already in your mind. I don't so much mind an additional up front constant >> and per

Re: [Python-Dev] Another version of Python

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Steiner (listsin)
On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:37 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote: > Some of you have probably already seen this, but in case you haven't: > >http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/ I wish I actually had, like, that much time on my hands bro. S ___ Python-De

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