s already
> managing a T2000 server.
Jim:
Thanks, this is a terrific offer. I am copying it to the Python
developers list so they can discuss it - I know that Solaris is one of
the platforms we do get quite a few build questions about.
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I am sure this will be included as a part of the discussion at the VM
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So, if anyone wants to run a Sun buildbot or whatever, Jim would be the
person to contact. Synchronize on this list to ensure Jim doesn't get
multiple approaches, please.
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sh silently.
>
> I stand by my opinion about the right way to do this. I also think that
> a 3.1 release 6 months after 3.0 is perfectly fine and serves our users
> just as well.
>
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> Barry Warsaw wrote:
[...]
>> I stand by my opinion about the right way to do this. I also think that
>> a 3.1 release 6 months after 3.0 is perfectly fine and serves our users
>> just as well.
>>
> +1
>
I should have been more explicit. I
years and years in the way that, say, 2.4 still is.
>
It might also be a good idea to take the download link off the front
page of python.org: until that happens newbies are going to keep coming
along and downloading it "because it's the newest".
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I expect that some newbies would find 2.6 a somewhat
> confusing mix of old and new.
>
Fair point. At least we both agree that the current site doesn't best
serve the punters.
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rtainly never intimated such a thing (I said
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from zoneinfo. Unfortunately it doesn't look like there's
enough overlap to allow an automated mapping.
That said, it is incredibly easy to convert between UTC and local
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724949.aspx), even for dates in the
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If not, I might.
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then transforming the
copies as a separate step seems a little ... unnecessary.
Having to write
[x for x in seq]
to produce a copy of a list doesn't seem that outrageous to me, and I
don't find the predicate-less case of your proposal that convincing:
[x in seq]
seems somehow to
privileges
in order to avoid the impression that we might one day work on stuff
that actually useful to real Python users.
Except, possibly, conferences.
The effbot is at least averagely cantankerous this month :-)
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7;s the right
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going through just fine, but somethings not getting built correctly and Python
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's - by the incorporation
of the CAs' self-signed certificates, as in the browsers.
So almost certainly if the platform has a certificate repository it
might be good to offer an interface to that, as well as offering a
private certificate repository.
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. The context
> diff is less than two printed pages. I can post it somewhere if people
> are interested.
>
> Anyway, I am not going to lobby for a language change or write a PEP
> (unless someone asks me to.) I just wanted to throw this out there and
> see what people think o
e type) then a factory function would be a very
acceptable substitute, no? (The function could make use of a subclass -
there's surely no necessity to provide the default as an initializer
argument: it could be provided as an argument to a method present only
i
se subprocess to start a reliably slow server on
localhost? It might even be possible to retrieve the ephemeral port
number used by the server, to avoid conflicts with already-used ports on
the testing machine.
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s just below 10 SEK/L,
> but they found a way...
>
IIRC Guido is on record as saying "There will be no Python 2.10 because
I hate the ambiguity of double-digit minor release numbers", or words to
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or functions.
> Also, I think has_key/in should return True if there is a default.
>
It certainly seems desirable to see True where d[some_key] doesn't raise
an exception, but one could argue either way.
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mplementing a multiset so that one can write
>
> d[key].append(value)
>
> to add a new key/value to the multiset without having to handle the
> case separately where the key isn't in the dict yet. This also works
> for sets instead of lists:
>
> d = {}
> d.default_fa
we use (or should use) documentation.
>
>
One could wish this ideal had been the case for the import extensions
defined in PEP 302.
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e that (still at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb).
>>
>>I liked your current version better so I installed it.
>
>
> How about this one:
> http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/BuildBot_%20Python.html
>
All formats would be improved of the headers could be made to fl
so I'm just trying to make
> sure we don't squander it lightly.
>
Given that the default entries behind the non-existent keys don't
actually exist, something like "virtual_dict" might be appropriate.
Or "phantom_dict", or "ghost_d
rgraduate project at Leeds University).
Griswold later went to the University of Arizona and developed Icon,
Dewar went to Rutgers (I think) and developed SETL.
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the uses of regsub to re, any
> Neal> volunteers?
>
> Whippersnapper... sheesh! I still remember when all we had was regex. And
> we were thankful for it, by golly. Now you'd think the young-uns never knew
> it existed.
>
You had regex? You were lucky. (etc., etc.)
y
vel = (0 if "absolute_import" in self.futures else -1)
>
Contrast with the bleeding obvious:
level = 0
if "absolute_import" in self.futures:
level = -1
or even, if a certain obscurity is desirable:
level = - ("absolute_impor
Morel Xavier wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>
>> Contrast with the bleeding obvious:
>>
>> level = 0
>> if "absolute_import" in self.futures:
>> level = -1
>>
>> regards
>> Steve
>
> >
> The issue tha
Joe Smith wrote:
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>>Jim Jewett wrote:
>>
>>>I think that adding parentheses would help, by at least signalling that
>>>the logic is longer than just
require, and would like some sort of advance
> warning. Parentheses at least tell me "You're not done
> yet; keep reading."
>
> >>> ack(r,r) if r not in cache
>
> >>> log(message) if error_flag
>
I think you've misunderst
; It's not a big deal, but it is not completely negligible either.
>
On the third hand, what about
>>> def foo((x1, y1), (x2, y2)):
... print x1, y1, x2, y2
...
>>> origin = (10, 1)
>>> corner = (20, 2)
>>> foo(origin, corner)
10 1 20 2
)
> [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>
>>>>raise SystemExit("quit() called")
>
> quit() called
> Error!
>
> (At least,
Morel Xavier wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>
>>Contrast with the bleeding obvious:
>>
>> level = 0
>> if "absolute_import" in self.futures:
>> level = -1
>>
>>regards
>> Steve
>
> >
> The issue that spa
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dvcorp.com and I need to get in touch with him.
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If Thomas Heller and Richard Jones haven't recently received email from
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, or would developers prefer to put a fourth alpha in to the
schedule?
The intention is there should be no major functionality added by the
sprint, simply that performance should be improved, so the schedule may
work. It's just a call for the release manager really, I guess.
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nstituionally incapable of using a forward
slash. Don't know what's with the square brackets though ...
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nt he discussions. Google hasn't
given me a lot to go on. Anyone?
[Follow-ups to python-dev would be best, I suspect].
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Greg Ewing wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>
>
>>In actual fact the effbot has lately found itself so permeated with
>>Windows that it has become constituionally incapable of using a forward
>>slash. Don't know what's with the square brackets though ...
>
the best one available.
>
Of course that would mean establishing which *was* the best available
which, as we've seen this week, may not be easy.
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cker when I get a chance. There are a
> couple of new Coverity complaints that need to be addressed.
>
That'll be great. Again, let me say we've had terrific support from many
other developers. I hope the whole community benefits from this sprint.
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accepting two arguments. IMHO I think
we should accept that the behaviour needs to change and be prepared for
a few anguished squeals. FWIW I suspect they will be even fewer than
anticipated.
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explains the bogus subtest results I'm seeing, and the "magic
>>hardware" behaviour you're seeing.
>
>
> That's exactly the reason why tests run for a relatively long
> time - to minimize these effects. Of course, using wall time
> make this approach vulne
ps so, but it would have been nice if you could have come to this
conclusion before asking me not to make this change, which would
otherwise have been checked in two weeks ago.
Still, as long as we can all agree on this and move forward I suppose
the intervening debate at least leaves us bett
o was offended by the original message please pretend
> that it was delightfully witty and written by Tim instead? Thanks. ;)
>
I wonder what the hell's up with Tim. He's been really crabby lately ...
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Yeah, that'll really help the end-user whose sys admin has just upgraded
to 2.5, won't it?
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ted.
>
Perhaps you should go for the £10 argument next door?
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s surely that one of find()'s legitimate return values
evaluates false in a Boolean context. It's especially troubling that the
value that does so doesn't indicate search failure. I'd prefer to live
with the wart until 3.0 introduces something more satisfactory, or
simply r
> I have no idea of today's practice though.
>
Indeed. Something like:
SYSIN DD *,BLKSIZE=80
IIRC (which I may well not do after thirty years or so). People used to
solve generic programming problems in JCL just for the hell of it.
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g can it?
>
> (Just think of it as rpartition() stopping at the last occurrence,
> rather than searching from the right. :-)
>
So we can check that a substring x appears precisely once in the string
s using
s.partition(x) == s.rpartition(x)
Oops, it fails
l arguments about the distribution
of use cases and input lengths. If we had a type that represented a
substring of an existing string it might avoid the stress, but I'm not
sure I see that one flying.
>
>>So, using three variables is both faster *and* easier to read than any o
keyword there's nothing to stop
us calling the convenience function "print". With the removal of the
trailing-comma functionality we'd only have to add parentheses to 2.X
print statements to have them work :-)
Next question: could the function have a sensible
n to pass a substring to such
> a routine.
>
Since Python strings *can* contain embedded NULs, doesn't that rather
poo on the idea of passing pointers to their data to C functions as
things stand?
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, and be driven to suicide by the
enforced interactions with the other developers who had nothing but
scorn for the lowly print statement.
On the other hand, with that kind of money you could probably hire
enough geeks to do the maintenance for you.
first-in-line-for-the-job-ly y'rs
ent from ABC and BASIC"? In
that case I suppose we'd better start thinking about what to use instead
of "if" and "for". What did the print statement do to us that it must be
cast out in this way?
I suspect the fundamental problem is that the commas do something mor
pragmatic Python solution, so I'm not about to start a
war about it.
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the need
> for ref. counting.
>
Reference counting is an implementation detail, and isn't a part of the
language specifications. I have no idea why you find it so annoying, but
there are other implementations (Jython, Iron Python) that don't use it.
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I would anticipate security issues with allowing general expressions:
you are effectively allowing access to eval(). If a naiive programmer
were to use unverified input as a format string unpleasant things could
happen ... your call, but it seems dangerous to me. Remember C's printf
has
ent line.
> #
> # Whitespace formatting, after all, is VERY PYTHONIC. ;-)
> # Delimiters on the other hand -- well, we prefer not to mention
> # the sort of languages that use those, right? ;-)
>
+1
> Another possibility is to recognize lines like:
>
> #---
> #***
> #=
rllib2.py: type = 'I' if file else 'D'
> xdrlib.py: print 'succeed' if pred(x) else 'failed', ':', x
> xmlrpclib.py: write("1" if value else "0")
>
Having though about it more clo
Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On 9/29/05, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I would argue for mandatory parentheses around the expression, leaving
>>room later (probably after Guido is no longer around to be sick at the
>>site of it) for:
>>
>>de
Guido van Rossum wrote:
> [Guido]
>
>>>Let me give you what you expect. If all the "X if C else Y" syntax
>>>does is prevent that atrocity from ever being introduced, it would be
>>>worth it. :)
>
>
> [Steve]
>
>>Well, fine. However
lp siding with the underdog, doomed for the
knacker's yard in Python 3.0. Sniff.
The decision on X if C else Y is a cause for much jubilation.
Congratulations, Guido!
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for
function scopes, as the module
crud = "module crud"
def f():
print crud
crud = "function crud"
print crud
f()
does indeed raise an UnboundLocalError exception.
I'm not enough of a language lawyer to determine exactly why this
ad communications are
problematic, and arbitrary access to foreign-thread state is a nightmare
(although the position has been somewhat alleviated by the introduction
of threading.local).
Beyond the single-producer many-consumers model there is still plenty of
room to shoot yourself in the foot.
>
> Indeed. It's a (minor) pain that optional flag variables and variable length
> argument lists are currently mutually exclusive. Although, if you had that
> rule, I'd want to be able to write:
>
>def f(a, b, *, foo=1, bar=2): pass
>
> to get a function which r
;
> Py> data = dict(a=1, b=2, c=3)
> Py> (a, b, c) = **data
> Py> print a, b, c
> (1, 2, 3)
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
This gets too weird, though. What about:
(a, **d) = **data
Should this be equivalent to
a = 1
d = dict(b=2, c=3)
? Basically I suspect we are
Neal Norwitz wrote:
> We all know Guido likes Python. But the real question is do pythons like
> Guido?
>
> http://python.org/neal/
>
Neal:
Getting a 404 on this one right now.
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> Neal> pythons like Guido?
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> Neal> http://python.org/neal/
>
> Like Steve (and unlike Oleg), I get 404s for this page. I also tried
> "www.python.o
t would thereby be engendered I
think that would be a good idea.
We can fix their programs by making Unicode the default string type, but
it will take much longer to fix their thinking.
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deserve to have their
> software not work.
>
That sounds like a "get out of jail free" card for Microsoft and many
other software vendors ...
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content.
>
Under NO circumstances should a Wiki page be used as the destination for
a link in a runtime error message.
If the page happens to be spammed when the user follows the link they'll
wonder why the error message is pointing to a page full of links to hot
babes, or whatever.
le helpfully told me:
>
> Center for Alcohol & Drug Treatment
>
I suspect you may already know that Fredrik referred to
Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers
Where's the BDFL to say "yes" or "no" when you need one?
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akes a lot more than that when running without
> pymalloc.
>
Is there maybe a machine in the SourceForge compile farm that could be
used for this work?
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;Error".
>
>
> Unless, of course, your exception is not an error (like the
> aforementioned HTTPRedirect). ;)
>
For library modules I'd recommend that the exception hierarchy be rooted
at either BaseError (for modules not designed from import-*) or
ModulenameBaseError (for
vate fantasy ;-) It works fine for its intended use.
In that case it would seem to make even *more* sense, theoretically, to
replace the class name in mangled names with a GUID, hence avoiding
collisions in similarly-named subclasses.
Then it would work even finer (though the mangled names would b
>
> anyone ?
>
How about "independent" to highlight the fact that development takes
place elsewhere? Or "external"?
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d I think we need a name that differentiates externally-maintained
packages from the contributions that are integrated into the core and
maintained as part of it.
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at all for one's code to be
included in the core. If the authors of code aren't bothered about its
promotion to the core I hardly think anyone else should be.
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to just a single entry in the
global module index and adding a first-level TOC at the beginning of
that section of content?
Even if we then have to call it the global package and module index!
regards
Steve
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r be used as we have now migrated to CVS on Sourceforge :-(
Could someone fix that?
regards
Steve
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Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 December 2005 10:12, Steve Holden wrote:
> > However, this change highlights the fact that the checkins mailing-list
> > description at
> >
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-checkins
> >
> &
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