Hi all
I got an evil idea for Python this morning -- Guido: no, it's not
about linked lists :-) -- , and I'd like to bounce it here. But
first, a bit of context.
In the context of writing i18n apps, programmers have to "mark"
strings that may be internationalized in a way that
- a special hoo
On 4/6/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais wrote:
> >...
> >A(P(_("Click here to forget"), href="...
> >...
>
> I assume that this should be
>
> P(A(_("Click here to forget"), hre
On 4/6/06, Alex Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/6/06, Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > - We could also have a prefix "I" for strings to be marked but not
> > runtime-translated, to replace the N_() strings.
>
> I'm more dub
On 4/7/06, Alexander Schremmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:35:51 -0400, Martin Blais wrote:
>
> > This is pretty standard
> > getttext stuff, if you used _() a lot I'm surprised you don't have a
> > need for N_(), I alway
On 4/7/06, M.-A. Lemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I got an evil idea for Python this morning -- Guido: no, it's not
> > about linked lists :-) -- , and I'd like to bounce it here. But
> > first, a bit of
On 4/7/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais wrote:
> >> P(a("Click here to forget", href="...
> >
> > No. That's not going to work: pygettext needs to be able to extract
> > the string for the catalogs.
On 4/6/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
> > > Try the 2.5 alpha 1 just released, and you'll see that the toplevel
> > > package is now xml.etree. The module and class are still called
> > > ElementTree, though.
> >
> > It would be nice to have new code be PEP 8
On 4/7/06, Alexander Schremmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:07:26 -0400, Martin Blais wrote:
>
> > There are cases where you need N_() after initialization, so you need
> > both, really. See the link I sent to Alex earlier (to the GNU manual
> >
growing sleep-hours deficit. I
> hope you forgive me.
>
> Have a good day,
> Noam
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estion I will write up a mini-PEP for
discussion of this idea and will move the code in the sandbox (and out
of a branch).
Additionally, I must say, all that hot water in the blue lagoon this
morning was a really hot justficiation for the "hot buffer" name.
http://furius.ca/tmp/nfs3/html/20
On 5/29/06, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If it is really 0.5%, then we're fine. Just remember that PyStone is an
> amazingly uninformative and crappy benchmark.
I'm still looking for a benchmark that is not amazingly uninformative
and crappy. I've been looking around all day
On 5/29/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [python-checkins]
> > >> * Added socket.recv_buf() and socket.recvfrom_buf() methods, that
> > >> use the buffer
> > >> protocol (send and sendto already did).
> > >>
> > >> * Added struct.pack_to(), that is the corresponding buffer
> > >>
Hi all
I'd like to know what the policy is on the source code indentation for
C code in the interpreter. At the Need-for-Speed sprints, there was
consensus that there is a "new" indentation for style for the Python C
source files, with
* indentation (emacs: c-basic-offset): 4 chars
* no tabs (so
On 5/31/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/31/06, Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So I assume you're suggesting the following renames:
> >
> > pack_to -> packinto
> > recv_buf -> recvinto
> > recvfrom
ood idea to add this to the
builtins in the future?
(Implementation follows.)
=
#!/usr/bin/env python
"""
Inject some tracing builtins debugging purposes.
"""
__version__ = "$Revision: 1781 $"
__author__ = "Martin Blai
In the subprocess module, by default the files handles in the child
are inherited from the parent. To ignore a child's output, I can use
the stdout or stderr options to send the output to a pipe::
p = Popen(command, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE)
However, this is sensitive to the buffer deadlock p
Did I happen to come across a bug or an inconsistency in Python
implementation, or am I hitting an intentional behavior?
Thanks very much for reading and some insights!
Martin
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Thanks for the response. The code snippet I sent deals with new style classes
only so I assume that in some cases isinstance falls back to old-style-like
handling which then asks for __bases__ and __class__ etc, possibly incorrectly
so on new style classes.
Thanks again!
Martin
-Original
Hi
Today I typed something funny in the interactive interpreter:
>>> while:
File "", line 1
while:
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
it got me wondering, wouldn't it be nice if
while:
...
behaved as:
while True:
...
Since they appeared, I started using "while T
On 7/20/05, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/20/05, Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > it got me wondering, wouldn't it be nice if
> >
> >while:
> > ...
> >
> > behaved as:
> >
> >
On 7/24/05, Fred L. Drake, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 24 July 2005 09:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > detailed as the full documentation? I'm inclined to think that while it
> > might be a noble goal, it's probably not worth the effort for several
> > reasons.
>
> All your rea
cise
import hard.
The cvs->baz->bzr process is unfortunate. As Mark said, we're going to be
moving away from the Arch-based code and so trying to make that process
simpler.
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> > Providing you can live with adding a pair of parentheses to that, you can
> > have:
> >
> >def print(*args):
> > sys.stdout.write(' '.join(args) + '\n')
> >
> > I think the language would be cleaner if it lacked this weird exception f
On 9/2/05, Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >print('foo:', foo, 'bar:', bar, 'baz:', baz,
> > > 'frobble', frobble)
> > >
> > > To my (admittedly biased) eyes, the second version more obviously
> > > prints to a single line
On 9/2/05, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Moore wrote:
> > Interestingly enough, the other languages I use most (C, Java,
> > VB(Script) and Javascript (under Windows Scripting Host)) all use
> > functions for output. Except for C, I uniformly dislike the resulting
> > code - the
On 9/2/05, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 11:02 AM 9/3/2005 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> >Printing the items in a sequence also becomes straightforward:
> >
> >print " ".join(map(str, range(10))) => output(*range(10))
> >
> >Playing well with generator expressions comes for free, to
On 9/3/05, Paolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais wrote:
> > Then how about::
> >
> > output(*(x*x for x in range(10)), iter=1)
> >
> Illegal in python2.4.(Wrongly ?) And makes the star solution half unuseful.
>
> >>> def f(*args,*
On 9/3/05, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 21:42, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> I do hate having to write two parentheses -- it's more than the extra
> keystrokes. It's that I have to use two shifted characters and I have
> to be sure to close the construct, which ca
On 9/4/05, Tony Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes. If it didn't have the redirect stuff; I would like it more if it also
> didn't have the trailing comma magic. "print" is a fundamental; it deserves
> to be a statement :)
I don't know exactly what you mean by "fundamental", in opposition
On 9/4/05, Stephan Deibel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > But more important to me are my own experiences exploring the
> > boundaries of print.
> >
> > - I quite often come to a point in the evolution of a program where I
> > need to change all print st
On 9/8/05, Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Le jeudi 08 septembre 2005 à 19:12 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit :
>
> > It would be
> > nice to be able to lose the "_()" calls to gettext(). The function
> > would look to see if a message catalog was available for the cur
On 9/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (Maybe someone else has already raised this point. I'm a bit behind.)
>
> Martin> Here goes something: for applications targeted to the web, where
> Martin> newlines don't matter,
On 9/12/05, Nathan Bullock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wondering if a function such as this has ever
> been considered? I find that I quite often want a
> function that will give me a relative path from path A
> to path B. I have created such a function, but it
> would be nice if it was in th
On 9/18/05, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/17/05, John J Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > c. Since time is needed to iron out bugs (and perhaps also to reimplememt
> >some pieces of code "from scratch"), very early in the life of Python 3
> >seems like the least-worst
On 9/19/05, Andrew McNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree. I find I often have an object with an optional friendly name
> (label) and a manditory system name. So this sort of thing becomes common:
>
> '%s blah blah' % (foo.label or foo.name)
>
> The if-else-expression alternative wo
On 9/20/05, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthias Andreas Benkard wrote:
>
> * In a recent project, I had occasion to store pathnames of
>picture files in a relational database. I wanted to store
>the pathnames relative to a user-chosen "Pictures"
>directory, so that it could
Hi.
I hear a confusion that is annoying me a bit in some of the
discussions on concurrency, and I thought I'd flush my thoughts
here to help me clarify some of that stuff, because some people
on the list appear to discuss generators as a concurrency scheme,
and as far as I know (and please correct
On 10/1/05, Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > like this with their "deferred objects", no? I figure they would
> > need to do something like this too. I will have to check.)
>
> A Deferred object is just the abstraction of a callback - or, rather, two
> callbacks: one for success and one f
On 10/2/05, Christopher Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/3/05, Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/1/05, Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > like this with their "deferred objects", no? I figure they
Hi.
Like a lot of people (or so I hear in the blogosphere...), I've been
experiencing some friction in my code with unicode conversion
problems. Even when being super extra careful with the types of str's
or unicode objects that my variables can contain, there is always some
case or oversight whe
On 10/3/05, M.-A. Lemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure it's a sensible default.
>
> Me neither, especially since this would make it impossible
> to write polymorphic code - e.g. ', '.join(list) wouldn't
> work anymore if list contains Unicode; dito for u', '.join(list)
> with lis
On 10/3/05, Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > If that's how things were designed, then Python's entire standard
> > > brary (not to mention third-party libraries) is not "unicode safe" -
> > > to quote your own words - since many functions may return 8-bit strings
> > > containing n
Hello Python-Dev,
My name is Martin Maly and I am a developer at Microsoft, working on the
IronPython project with Jim Hugunin. I am spending lot of time making
IronPython compatible with Python to the extent possible.
I came across a case which I am not sure if by design or a bug in Python
On 10/3/05, Michael Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > How hard would that be to implement?
>
> import sys
> reload(sys)
> sys.setdefaultencoding('undefined')
Hmmm any p
On 10/15/05, Reinhold Birkenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Blais wrote:
> > On 10/3/05, Michael Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> > How hard would t
Hi
Just wondering, would anyone think of it as a good idea if the
enumerate() builtin could accept a "start" argument? I've run across
a few cases where this would have been useful. It seems generic
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I find myself occasionally doing this:
... = dirname(dirname(dirname(p)))
I'm always--literally every time-- looking for a more functional form,
something that would be like this:
# apply dirname() 3 times on its results, initializing with p
... = repapply(dirname, 3, p)
There is a
On 11/14/05, Bruce Eckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just finished reading PEP 342, and it appears to follow Hoare's
> Communicating Sequential Processes (CSP) where a process is a
> coroutine, and the communicaion is via yield and send(). It seems that
> if you follow that form (and you don't s
Hello again.
As I'm digging deeper into LISP and Scheme these days, I was
wondering, is there a good compelling reason why in Python we don't
have a native singly-linked and doubly-linked list types?
That is, reasons other than
- "you can get by without it" (sometimes I *want* lists), or
- "you c
On 12/21/05, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 20:36 +0100, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>
> > I'm not really interested in optimizing for you, I'm interested in
> > optimizing
> > for everyone else. They already know HTML. They don't know ReST, and
> > I doubt they care ab
On 12/22/05, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 04:08 PM 12/22/2005 -0500, Martin Blais wrote:
> >ReST does an amazing job of inferring generic document structures from
> >text, but for documenting source code, you really want to be able to
> >say "
On 12/25/05, Christian Tismer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> > Python's philosophy about (built-in) data types, inherited from ABC,
> > is to offer a few powerful clearly distinct choices rather than lots
> > of alternatives with overlapping usages. This reduces the time i
On 12/25/05, Josiah Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Like Phillip Eby, I use 2-tuples for this when I feel the need
> > (usually during a backtracking graph search, to keep track of paths
> > back to the root in a space-efficient way), and am happy wi
On 12/26/05, Josiah Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A "flat" list or tuple would certainly be more space-efficient up to
> > this point. But when the graph branches, the 2-tuple representation
> > allows *sharing* the common path suffix (which may be very long!):
> ...
> > If there's an N-w
e severe breakage of 2.7 installations, much more problematic
than switching to two-digit version numbers.
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available to MSDN users. It's
just not available through regular sales channels anymore.
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odules, so installation compiles the modules from scratch. This is
easier, as it can use the ABI of the Python which will be installed
to.
If you go the "parallel ABIs" route, extension authors have to provide
two parallel sets of packages as well. Given 32-bi
tc., all which know how to deal with
Python minor version numbers, but are unaware of the notion of competing
ABIs on Windows (except that they know how to deal with 32-bit vs. 64-bit).
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and it will get bigger the more time passes.
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hat the generator will also
support the other generator methods, in particular .send and
.throw?
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useful, so everybody makes their own list. I was
maintaining such a list in the Python wiki for some time, until a
board member decided that a publically-visible inventory is not
appropriate, and it must be a password-protected wiki - where I now
keep forgetting where the wiki is, in the first place, l
brary.
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e then free to contribute support for their platforms.
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flexibility in naming is greater. zeroes=True formally
creates a subtype (of string), and it doesn't hurt that it is not an
adjective. "allow_zeroes" might be more descriptive. bitwise=True
doesn't really create a subtype of int. For the feature in question,
I f
enge is "my dependencies are not ported
to Python 3". There is little you can do about it, short of porting
the dependencies yourself (fortunately, Python and most of its libraries
are free software).
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ot;ls -l" in your shell,
the "system" (not just the kernel - but ultimately the terminal program,
which might be the console driver, or an X11 application) will interpret
the file name as having an encoding, and render them with a font.
So for Python, the question is: whi
ld include "python.org" as
a server name, which is considered risky regardless of where the
service is hosted. There are solutions to that as well, of course.
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ecial
characters, but replaces the lower-case characters with Hebrew.
So yes, Unix doesn't mandate ASCII-compatible encodings; but it
still mandates ASCII-inspired encodings. I wonder how you would
run "gcc", though, on an SI 960 system; you'ld have to type
חדד.
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Mar
Am 24.08.14 03:11, schrieb Greg Ewing:
> Isaac Morland wrote:
>> In HTML 5 it allows non-ASCII-compatible encodings as long as U+FEFF
>> (byte order mark) is used:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/syntax.html#encoding-declaration
>>
>> Not sure about XML.
>
> According to Appendix F here:
>
>
> But is that true?
It used to be true, and stopped being so with PEP 393. In particular,
Python 3.2 and before would expose UTF-16 in the narrow build, so the
elements of a string would be code units. Since Python 3.3, the
surrogate code points are not lon
eakage elsewhere (as also discussed):
- some code will fail because of the space in the path
- some installations will fail because of the restricted access to
Program Files (which, of course, is also the main reason why people
want that install location)
It's of
t this only supports exe and msi
packages.
I haven't seen anything resembling dependencies in OneGet.
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> repo.
Python is already available in Chocolatey:
https://chocolatey.org/packages/python
Given that OneGet intends to support Chocolatey as a repository,
it might just work already. All python.org would have to guarantee
is stable URLs for the Python msi fil
we can arrange to somehow support
relative paths in co_filename.
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t if the rationale is a bit more verbose, a bug
tracker item would be right. All IMO, of course.
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ing to implement it).
So you are certainly not alone here, either.
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know if I can help providing PSF organization verification.
>
> I already completed that for the current cycle.
>
I had asked the PSF for a StartSSL certificate when the previous
certificate expired, and the PSF was not able to provide one. After
waiting several weeks for the PSF t
xt to the original file.
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;s typically the case that
changes to the header files didn't consider the stable ABI, so each
change needs to be reviewed manually. Typically, further changes to
other source files will be necessary.
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t to Verisign.
>
> When was that ? I never received such a request.
I sent the request to Jesse Noller, Noah Kantrowitz and Kurt Kaiser on
2014-03-17. On 2014-04-15, Jesse indicated that he had given up.
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code, then you might
be able to hack your C library's stdio implementation to delegate fread
calls to your code.
I recommend to use Python 3 instead.
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a repository URL and branch name
into the buildbot configuration, and a post-push hook on the repository
to trigger the build. It's actually possible to configure a bitbucket
POST hook to trigger a buildbot build, but we haven't yet integrated
that into the buildbot master.
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ding timely reviews). I suggest
that some of the stuff that needs to be done still is delegated, so that
Donald doesn't have to do all of it.
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nge you see in
your compiler warnings. 3.4 is not released yet, perhaps there is
something that can be done.
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#ifdef). Removals cause linker failures.
It would be possible to automatically find out whether any functions
declared under the stable API are actually exported also, by parsing
the preprocessor output for Python.h
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do it,
but now it's done - and you might not even change your code even if
Python 2.7.x gets changed, since you might want to support older 2.7.x
release for some time.
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library.
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Am 19.11.13 21:28, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> Well, unless you propose a patch before Saturday, I will happily ignore
> your proposal.
See
http://bugs.python.org/file32709/framing.diff
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he payload
(except that HTTP makes it worse by making them optional).
Of course, a single length field has other drawbacks, such as having
to pickle everything before sending out the first bytes.
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e for this "difficult to implement"
property is that the framing is in putting framing "in the middle"
of the stack (i.e. not really *below* pickle itself, but into pickle
but below the opcodes - just like http chunked transfer is "
two files in the same directory that differ only in case - i.e. the
system would be case-sensitive.
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t for 2.7 at this point.
I don't think a PEP is necessary - Guido essentially pre-approved
changes needed to make Python 2.7 work with newer tools and operating
systems.
A patch for this would be appreciated - perhaps you would want
to put it into your sandbox on
would be allowed to call something "Python"
without further qualification (except for the traditional CPython
release).
Regards,
Martin
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ut changes it's meaning a lot.
Hmm. This isn't the original *question*. Instead, the question read
# Can I rely on PEP 404 that the "Python 2.8" namespace never will clash
# with CPython?
So while the word "Stackless" wasn't removed everywhere, it cer
can I get one?
You are not a Python committer yet, are you? If you are, go to
hg.python.org/cpython, and invoke the server-side clone. If you
are not - does your company agree if you would become one?
In any case, patches or a clone on bitbucket would work just
as well.
Regards,
Martin
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or the spwd module?
Anybody could run the test suite, and somebody might run it as root -
so you must be asking for something else.
Regards,
Martin
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Am 05.12.13 16:21, schrieb Vajrasky Kok:
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:06 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>
>> Can you please phrase your question more explicit? What is it that
>> you want to be done before writing unit tests for the spwd module?
>
> I am asking
w days for
most of the year would be appreciated (although we can also deal
with operators that leave for longer periods of time - we just
disable the slave then, and reenable it when the admin brings
it back up). The commitment should be for a "long" period, i.e.
a few years.
Regards,
Mart
l out surveys ;-)
So for the Python 4 survey, I propose to have just a single question:
* Have you heard of Python 4?
That will prove that Python 4 is even faster than Python 3 :-)
Of course, that is also because it has a JIT compiler, and runs
on 16 cores with no GIL.
Regards,
Martin
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