g our time by designing and (eventually) coding before this issue
is resolved?
Yes, and yes.
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Am 29.05.2010 21:06, schrieb P.J. Eby:
At 08:45 PM 5/29/2010 +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
In it he says that PEP 382 is being deferred until it can address PEP
302 loaders. I can't find any follow-up to this. I don't see any
discussion in PEP 382 about PEP 302 loaders, so I assume
n module
>
>pc = get_pth_contents(importer)
Assuming we always get here with a loader, I'd rather call this
on the loader.
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For finders, their search algorithm is changed in a couple of ways.
One is that modules are given priority over packages (is that
intentional, Martin, or just an oversight?).
That's an oversight. Notice, however, that it's really not the case that
currently directories have prece
same directory, and dpkg is happy.
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e to get a diff between at least the .rst
versions of the docs for version x and version y?
That's most certainly possible, using "svn diff -rX:Y".
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So how should I go about fixing that?
a) revert the patch for #1759169, documentating that Python compilation
actually requires _XOPEN_SOURCE to be defined, or
b) define _XOPEN_SOURCE only for the multiprocessing module.
Any input appreciated.
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In general, gettin all those „external“ projects seem to be complex to
build. Is there a fast way?
Run Tools\buildbot\external.bat.
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Am 07.06.2010 12:44, schrieb Kristján Valur Jónsson:
Thanks martin.
I did as you suggested, and by installing nasm (creating nasmw.exe as a copy of
nasm.exe) and without installing perl, was able to build the 32 bit debug
version.
The 64 bit version didn't want to build, probably becau
r (binary -> ASCII), but then
it may not because ASCII actually *also* implies "bytes" (it's an encoding).
So what would you propose to change: b2a_hex should return a Unicode
string? or this future transform method should return a Unicode string,
whereas the module returns bytes
ther group will, and losing existing context for that would kinda suck.
Roundup keeps track of all status changes, see the bottom of an
arbitrary issue for an example.
So I don't think any additional recording is necessary.
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There aren't that many backport requests, anyway, are there?
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Some external software comes with proprietary .pyd bindings.
Can you please explain what a "proprietary .pyd binding" is?
Do you mean they come with extension modules? If so, there is no chance
of using them in debug mode, anyway, right? So what specifically is the
problem?
Regar
, I'd rather put that
function into a separate C file that gets included twice, instead of
including the full timemodule.c into datetimemodule.c.
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#x27;t there if you don't. So extensions compiled with it are
incompatible with extensions compiled without it.
If you define COUNT_ALLOCS, every type object will have additional
slots; again, you can't mix extensions that have a different set
to see a /final/
demo installation *before* the switchover; because these things are all
missing, the final demo installation is missing, as well.
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o if you manage to get it working somehow, don't
forget to post what you think the status is.
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th the web content editor
community?
Sorry for a naive question, but what is the web content editor
community?
I think he's talking about the editors of www.python.org.
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er (*)).
For numbers, programmers are forced to accept the abstraction. For
character strings, they apparently resist much more.
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(*) An anecdotal dialog may read like this
Teacher: "How are numbers represented in Python?&
s, is a work in progress
How about "Python 3 is a work in progress" for the topic?
I wouldn't say that, either - not more than Python 2 was a work in
progress over the last 10 years.
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, who has the ultimate say to whether the problem is
important or not.
As for OSX, it seems that the only test that is failing is the ctypes
test suite, and there only a single test. I don't think this is
sufficient reason to block the release.
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FWIW, nobody has requested changing any of the build slaves to "stable"
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that it was supported actually doesn't
make it so.
If the test failure *isn't* a regression, I think it shouldn't block the
release.
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) there is no clear solution in sight. So if we wait for it resolved,
it could take months until we get a 2.7 release.
b) it's only about getgroups - a fairly minor API.
c) IIUC, it only occurs to users which are member of more than 16
groups - a fairly uncommon setup.
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perfectly
fine, as long as there is an autoconf test for it
(plain ifdefs are gruntingly accepted also).
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Just my 0.02€.
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gt; I am extremely keen for this to happen. Does anyone have ownership of this
> project? There was some discussion of it up-list but the discussion fizzled.
Can you please explain what "this project" is, in the context of your
message? GSoC? GHOP?
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y has taken ownership of that project, and likely,
nobody actually will - unless you volunteer.
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ion is a bug, just like any other bug,
and deserves being discussed here.
Furthermore, a sufficient condition for mis-wording is if a user read it
in full, and still managed to misunderstand (as happened here).
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> My apologies guys, I see now.
>
> I will see if I can think of a less ambiguous way to word this and submit a
> bug.
Please don't take out or rephrase the word "shallow", though. This has a
long CS tradition of meaning exactly what is m
elease into end-of-September (but the days as proposed are
fine).
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> I'll move the discussion to pydotorg-www
I'll predict that this is its death :-(
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. OTOH, I can't go much earlier so if
> September is bad for you, then we'll stick to the above dates.
I think we can strive for your original proposal. If it slips, we let it
slip by a month or two.
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Am 26.06.2010 02:41, schrieb Stephen Thorne:
> On 2010-06-25, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> What page were we suggesting linking to?
>>
>> I don't think anybody proposed anything specific. Steve Holden
>> suggested it should go to "reasoned dis
rently be accomplished by clicking "Python"
> and then "3").
Or you can use the link "Python 3 packages" on PyPI's main menu.
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Mercurial migration
next year.
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rations should be supported.
I'm not sure. It uses TIOCGPGRP, basically to establish that ioctl
can also put results into a Python array (IIUC). This goes back to
http://bugs.python.org/555817
Somebody rewriting it would need to make sure the original test purpose
is still met.
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tests on Windows,
and Windows tests on Unix. Otherwise, if you can get it to pass by
installing additional software, Tim did *not* mean this to be an
expected skip.
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Independent of that, I also decided to entirely ignore the notion of
expected skipped test (so even if I would run the test suite, I wouldn't
bother if one was reported as skipped).
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> I would like to modify the code of the bdist installers, but I don't
> see any VS project for VS 9.0. How are the wininst-9.0*exe built ?
See PC/bdist_wininst.
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So somebody please reproduce the problem, propose a patch, and get in
contact with Dirkjan to integrate it.
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>> See PC/bdist_wininst.
>
> Hm, my question may not have been clear: *how* is the wininst-9.0
> built from the bdist_wininst sources ? I see 6, 7.0, 7.1 and 8.0
> versions of the visual studio build scripts, but nothing for VS 9.0.
Ah. See PCbuild/bdist_wininst.vcproj
issues
alread).
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re only a runtime concept.
If you were to reject code at startup more restrictively, you might
end up rejecting the standard library, as it contains syntax errors
in code that isn't being imported normally (test/badsyntax*).
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it's an implementation detail (as is the func_code
attribute, and the code object).
So the question really is: can you tell the difference, using only
mechanisms not explicitly documented as implementation-specific?
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(*) Unfortunately, the documentation fails to mention that, proba
Mercurial, or whether the
build identification patch is able to learn about tags in the first
place.
Finally, I wonder how the documentation build process will continue to
integrate subversion. I guess you just need to have an svn binary around
when building the documentation.
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>
> I'd love to see a more detailed description of this, including why
> someone new to Mercurial would choose one over the other.
I think someone new to Mercurial shouldn't choose either one.
Just sit back and wait for the re
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>
> Am I the only one to think this should really stop?
You are certainly not alone. However, I've given up responding to
anatoly techtonik, knowing that it will be futile, and a waste of time.
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> I downloaded Visual
> C++ 2010 Express, and it needs to convert the .vcproj files into
> .vcxproj files, but it fails.
Please take a look at PCbuild/readme.txt. It tells you to install
one of the Visual Studio 2008 editions.
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> Am 03.07.2010 09:00, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>>> I'm trying to test out a patch to add a timeout in subprocess.py on
>>> Windows, so I need to build Python with Visual Studio. The docs say
>>> t
ll have a chance to learn how to use it without fear
of breaking anything. Until then, they should just remain patient.
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can somebody kindly explain the commands that would be required?
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Am 04.07.2010 00:56, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 00:51:58 +0200
> "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>>>> I'd love to see a more detailed description of this, including why
>>>>> someone new to Mercurial would choose one over the other.
27;d rather recommend to use hg on
an entirely independent project. That worked for me.
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are very few people who both
have the time and the expertise to evaluate them.
FWIW, I don't consider a few months as a "long" time for a patch review.
At the moment, I'm personally able to perhaps review one issue per week
(sometimes less); at this rate, it
to the core, and we
>> surely should trust those folks with commit privileges.
>>
>
> Can I take a really big liberty and volunteer Terry Reedy for the job.
It doesn't work that way. You can't volunteer somebody else (*).
If Terry would volunteer himself, he'd g
, I would
> say that you can never possibly get to "everything".
Right, I was trying to put things positively :-)
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Again, Guilherme could commit his changes any time.
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Unfortunately, they happen more often than you think.
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> I think Martin has always supported me in some way and I really
> appreciate that. But, maybe because I won commit privileges solely
> based on GSoC work, I felt other developers wouldn't approve my
> commits without previous discussion and that is the major reason for
> no
bly, make to lists: bug fixes, and new features. The bug fixes
could be either for 2.x or 3.x; the new features would preferably be
for just 3.x.
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I see. What copy have you been using specifically? I think I need to
remove myself from these lists.
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> What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
> especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
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should be removed? If we removed all modules that somebody is not
using, the standard library would be empty.
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Am 12.07.2010 13:01, schrieb Tal Einat:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> My point is that I don't think I am exaggerating IDLE's flaws. I'm not
>>> saying that it is no longer usable or useful, but I am saying that its
the association from long ago, before IDLE
> was available, or at least so usable. I have thought of changing that,
> but I do not know what the replacement incantation would be.
There should be an "Edit with IDLE" (sic) context menu item.
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>> Not normally, no - there's no easy way to connect a checkin message to
>> a committer's email address,
>
> There's a one-to-one mapping somewhere.
Unfortunately, no: we don't have email addresses of all committers.
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Martin
Am 12.07.2010 23:57, schrieb Benjamin Peterson:
> 2010/7/12 "Martin v. Löwis" :
>>>> Not normally, no - there's no easy way to connect a checkin message to
>>>> a committer's email address,
>>>
>>> There's a one-to-one mappin
Am 13.07.2010 00:00, schrieb Terry Reedy:
> On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
>>> On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit
s could be set to python-dev. Not
> sure if that's a mailman feature, though.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong: I think we had this, at one point,
and then switched it to the status quo. I can surely try switching it
back if desired.
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so that if Lib is selected, you can then find the appropriate module?
If you think any specific feature is missing in the tracker, please post
a report to the meta-tracker.
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wanted to know how Python
handles SIGKILL, when the hole point of SIGKILL is that you cannot
handle it. So he shouldn't have been surprised that he couldn't find
a place in Python where it's handled.
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Am 21.07.10 17:47, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman:
Martin& Tim brought up the issue of externals which the buildbots
use on Windows to bring in and build slightly patched versions of external
libraries such as OpenSSL and sqlite3.
The issue in hgsubversion (which is different from hgsvn) has
all .pth files, and a loader will need to support a
load_module_with_path method, to initialize __path__.
Please comment if you think that this needs further changes;
I'll hope to start implementing it soon.
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n the other hand, posting actual patches that fix actual bugs can
make a lot of a difference. Also, having a maintainer who is willing
to look into these patches and accept the good ones will make a lot
of a difference.
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> understand where your feelings come from.
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k and see a nice, colored, side-by-side web-pace view
> created by ViewVC. Is there any way a 'view' button could be added,
> along with the current edit and remove buttons, to produce the same web
> page and make it easier to review patches *before* commitment?
You should
y 'round actually works: if you put rep...@bugs.python.org
into the reviewer list when uploading to Rietveld, Rietveld changes
get automatically posted to the tracker. If you then also chose a
sensible title (ie. one that includes [issueXXX]), Roundup will be able
to associate it with the r
> Basically, I think what you'd like to have is Martin saying "I'm going to
> work on this feature", in addition to "I implemented this feature now"
> afterwards. That shouldn't be too hard.
I'm not very good at blogging (more specifically, I neve
y present your plans for important or major
> changes in catalog-SIG
> prior to starting them, so we can discuss them.
So would you consider the addition of JSON a major feature (as it
introduces a new API)? I doubt Richard would have been willing to wait
for the end of some discussion before imp
> Should I open a tracker issue to add something to the tracker doc?
I recommend that you use it for some time before changing anything.
I also suggest that, instead of uploading the patch to Rietveld
yourself, you can ask the submitter to do it.
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Mar
Am 27.07.2010 16:56, schrieb Terry Reedy:
> On 7/27/2010 1:42 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> Should I open a tracker issue to add something to the tracker doc?
>>
>> I recommend that you use it for some time before changing anything.
>
> How is someon
eant to apply to. It would be nice if the patch author gets notified
when a patch becomes stale, but that would require to be certain what
branches a patch is targetted for.
In any case: contributions are welcome.
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- The issue is not urgent, take your time
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nk there are many other instances where values that compare equal
pickle differently in Python. By relying on this property for hashing,
you are really operating on thin ice.
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python Lib\test\regrtest.py" or some such.
So I assume you are asking for something else.
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Perl shouldn't be a requirement if you use the OpenSSL copy from
svn.python.org.
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If it does, drop tests from the test sequence until you end up with
the minimum number of tests that you need to run in sequence (and yes,
I had interworkings of three test modules at some point).
Of course, educated guessing can accelerate the process.
Regards,
Martin
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s skills that have eluded me through a
> fairly lengthy technical career. So it also boils down to shortage of
> manpower of a particular kind. People with programming skill would,
> understandably, rather invest their time in something they are good at.
I think you are belittling the cont
Am 04.08.2010 21:03, schrieb Paul Moore:
> On 4 August 2010 18:42, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> I don't really have any answer to this problem right now. Is it
>>> possible to set up a local buildslave-like environment (so I can run
>>> the test suit
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