object out of the
pointers being passed.
Some people (hi Larry) still think that using a rope representation for
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quite well. However, the conclusions still stand: dealing
with static type objects will be tricky.
Of course, I would also like to eliminate static type objects as much
as possible.
This then leaves the issue with the casts, which might be considered clutter.
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Sure, but couldn't we define this "empty" class in C code so that you can
use the C API with it as well and just provide a C function to get a new
instance?
That would be easy. All you need is a dictoffset.
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I'd appreciate it. I got the go-ahead to commit the port but want to
wait until the build slaves are ready for it.
Please don't wait, but let the build slaves break. This is getting urgent.
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write another importer. For the builtin
zipimport, this is not an option, since it seeds itself from the sys.path
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add whatever fields you want.
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can reproduce them myself. More precisely, I fail to understand what
they mean without seeing the source code that produced them (perhaps along
with an indication what hardware, operating system, compiler version,
and Python version were used to produc
t this would require a custom mapping
in some cases. It would be best if Sphinx could already
consider such a mapping when generating links. Failing
that, we can also do the custom mapping in the web
server (i.e. with redirects).
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to look at the code, but that will make them
aware that the code may change. For that reason, also, using fwalk is
a bad idea, since they then will need to trace their code reading into
fwalk.
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11 Express will or will not include.
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As some have probably noticed: I updated the Rietveld version that we use to
the current code base. There have been a few incompatible changes (schema, GAE
API) which I hope I resolved. If you find new problems, please report them
to the meta tracker.
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Nasty! Perhaps freeze_importlib.py could be rewritten in C, so
importlib could be recompiled when the compiler changes?
Or we support bootstrapping from the source file, e.g. with an
environment variable BOOTSTRAP_PY which points to the _bootstrap.py
source.
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annot release the sources right now, do not release
the binaries either.
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See above. Also notice that such signing is already implemented, as part
of PEP 381.
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Thanks! (And if not necessary before the feature freeze, sorry for
the noise.)
Pushing issues is certainly on-topic for the list.
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quite a while in their releases.
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Yes, that's what the PEP says, by BDFL pronouncement.
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package, com.canonical is a namespace package, and com.canonical.launchpad
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n it stops might be enough to create a
solution.
I find this very hard to reproduce. All of the versions reported to crash
work fine for me most of the time, except that a small percentage (1 out
of 5 starts perhaps) actually does crash.
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issue10571
That's different, though: PyPI continues to support it just fine.
It's only distutils which has it broken. If you manually run gpg,
and manually upload through the web interface, it still works.
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in an offline pull request. Of course, for a really minor doc change
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d, IMO. It might be in the community's
interest if people coordinate, but not in the interest of the individual
contributor.
As your original message shows, there has already been enough
duplication of effort in this area.
And that's not really a problem, I
ite my own library to generate machine code.
I plan to use nanojit.
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I think you misread: PyPy, not pypi.
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Please, learn from Unladen Swallow and other's experiences, otherwise they're
for naught, and frankly we (python-dev) waste a lot of time.
Again: we (python-dev) won't waste much time (unless we chose to in
discussions);
Victor may lose time, but then he may not.
s properly.
I'm not actually using the latest Xcode. So if you could test my test
program, that would be much appreciated.
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does sort-of mandate that
the datetime module is used to represent SQL time types. So not basing
this off datetime isn't really an option.
Providing a subtype should work, though.
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Don't you have commit rights still?
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But why isn't it visible on python.org/dev/peps/ yet?
Because the build process of the PEPs broke when hg.python.org became
its own system.
I'll try to look into that tomorrow, since unfortunately nobody else
volunteered
to fix it.
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Martin, I have just received a huge pile of email saying this:
"
/home/docs/build-devguide: line 3: hg: command not found
"
From "Cron Daemon r...@python.org"
Could this be related to the recent fix you made?
Remotely related. This is really the cron job for updating t
ng that compiles it may be the easy part; the
tricky part is defining something that then executes it.
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HTTP/1.1 protocol. Even without the client using SNI, you should still
get the right page, since the HTTP Host: header indicates the host you
are trying to contact at this point, not SNI. The SNI is only relevant
for the certifica
sufficient time and interest to research it and provide you
with an explanation (or a fix). If nobody picks it up right away,
it's IMO fine to wait for somebody to report it who has a real
problem with this change in runtime.
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confirm that?
That is correct, yes.
OTOH, Python is free software, so people are free to maintain such
patches, and even make binary releases out of them. These just won't
be available from python.org.
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enough to maintain such patches in a ways that allows simple tracking of
changes applied to 2.7 itself, for anybody with enough interest to do
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'...' # U+002E U+002E U+002E, 3x FULL STOP
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'…' # U+2026, HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS
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I was contemplating that option indeed. Sébastien Sablé seemed to
have the same aim. Would you know any other such efforts?
I believe Kristjan Jonsson has a port as well.
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ut I can accept that a certain loss of maintainability that gives
better performance makes a lot of people happy. But I will continue
to object further complications that support irrelevant special
cases.
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Zitat von francis :
Most recent 15 issues waiting for review (15)
=
Just curious: How is a issue considered "waiting for review"?
Issues that have the "patch" or "needs review" keyword or are
in the "pa
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module (and hg revert afterwards). You may have to do some patch parsing
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ort in 3.5. Perhaps that would be a good thing
to do.
Or maybe we can drop support for Tru64 as well as we already does it
for, say, VMS?
No, see PEP 11.
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sting code sounds like a good idea.
The world wouldn't end if the test broke on Tru64, though.
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We had an offer several months ago that patches to 3.3 would "likely" (IIRC)
be contributed; this didn't materialize. So the PEP 11 removal of VMS support
stands.
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On 9/4/2012 9:00 AM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
Aha, ./Doc/whatsnew/3.0.rst declares dropping support for Tru64.
Several files in repo mention it, though.
That suggests that it should be added to PEP11. Martin is the PEP
editor, so I guess it is his final decision
which means that it continues to be supported -
except that it may not actually work. But if so, we should accept
bug fixes that claim to restore support.
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it message.
We do cite tools occasionally, but in a negative way, such as "silence
gcc warning", where the commit message and/or comment explains why some
code is ugly for some non-obvious reason.
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gives enough time for proposed changes to be implemented and to
stablize?
I think it's really vice-versa. We traditionally follow a timed
process: we release when enough time has passed, and include features
which are ready by the time we
of the Windows installers. It required a
dedicated buildbot operator, since the process tended to break.
We still do have OSX nightly installers:
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wasn't out yet and they weren't sufficiently interested to go to the
effort of building their own copy of Python.
How about having nightly builds then?
We actually do have nightly builds.
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completely different from what gets
released). However, I don't mind supporting this strategy anyway as an
experiment.
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What is it that you want to do that can be done easier if it's multiple
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file or in the same file.
Why can you ignore the functions only if they are stored in a different
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I think SPARC (the architecture) disallows unaligned accesses to
memory. I don't think it is specific to the Solaris CC compiler.
That's correct. Unaligned memory operations need to use memcpy.
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Zitat von Michele Orrù :
Hello, I have some issues pending 'patch review' hanging for more than
two weeks, could somebody please check them out?
In case nobody picks it up, my 5-for-1 offer still stands: if you review
five issues, I'll review one of yours.
r, it does look
that this may become a proper internet standard in the near future, so it's
an ok choice.
If it really must be ed25519, I request that this is registered with IANA
once the PEP is accepted, the RFC is accepted, and the JWS algorithm
registry is open.
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. In particular,
the phrasing "Additional tags defined by the extension should be of
the form string/Name:"
is unclear - under what "particular circumstances" can I deviate from that
requirement, i.e. use some form other than string/Name?
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Does the PEP, or does it not, specify that a dash must be used between
the package-name-and-version? Neither the words "hyphen" nor "dash"
appear in the PEP, except that hyphens are used inside the tag, and that
hyphens and dots i
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any realistic threat that is effectively protected against with your
signature scheme.
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gorithms; yet Daniel proposes to deviate and use a non-builtin
algorithm.
None of the algorithms in question are built in in Python; the two
standard algorithms with public keys (i.e. RSA and ECDSA) are both
built into OpenSSL.
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worked on this particular system").
This should compare to zipping the standard library, which has been a
supported
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in Python. You cannot know statically that 'dict' really refers to
the builtin. Something may shadow the name at run-time, making dict
refer to some other callable.
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e
the {} byte code builds the dictionary one-by-one, whereas
the keywords dictionary is built in a single step (taking
all keys and values from the evaluation stack).
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'ab'
"b"+"a"
'ba'
I would say that the two dictionary examples are equally allowed to
give different results - that they should be equivalent to (shallow)
copy followed by update(), but possibly more efficiently.
Can this be moved to python
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contain
multiple versions, when only one specific version is needed.
When working on this, try to come up with other automated download
procedures, e.g. ones that do not involve revision control and have
support built into Windows.
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nor tar. However, including a PowerShell script may be an option;
most developers will have PowerShell already on their system. AFAICT,
PowerShell can do HTTP downloads and extract zip files.
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y this
error info(eg: test bad magic) and run again, nothing is changed. It seems
that the file is not the correct position.
This is the right position. When you change _bootstrap.py, you need to
run "make" again, to freeze the modified _
atin-1? PyPI will reject anything that is
not UTF-8.
As for the uploads: you'll have noticed that it put the
sdist files into packages/2.5; this is not supposed to
happen. If you delete the files, and reupload them with
the current CVS, the files should go into /packages/source.
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into Requires; PEP 314 somewhat suggests that you can do
Depends: sys (>=2.3)
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n support could also go away.
I don't think any testing happens for W9x; I (atleast) can't
test it myself (I installed a Windows 95 system to test the 2.4
installer, but had to give up the machine shortly after that).
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> Martin: There aren't any German docs, are there?
I started translating the doc strings once, but never got to complete
it. I still believe that the doc string translation is the only approach
that could work in a reasonable way - you
might be None
- if the field is zero-or-more, it is represented
as a list.
It might be reasonable to expose this through
a separate module, in particular to provide
access to the type objects.
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I don't believe .NET 1.1 ships msvcr71.dll. Actually, Microsoft
discourages installing msvcr into system32, so that would be against
their own guidelines.
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I find this argument convincing.
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Express. Whether this is important, and outweighs the disadvantages, I don't
know.
In addition, I'm uncertain whether this is a new feature. I thought you could
get the VS 2003 compiler (VC 7.1) with the .NET 1.1 SDK. But maybe I'm
misremembering.
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This would be a waste of time: In Python 3, the string type will be
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I guess the Express version can also build firefox, just fine.
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_ParseTuple)
- more reliable reference counting, due to destructors of local
variables
- "native" exception handling, making exceptions both less error-prone
and possible more efficient.
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To reproduce the failure, run
from compiler import compileFile
compileFile("Lib/test/test_contextlib.py")
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ages outweighing the disadvantages, especially
> in light of the amount of rewriting necessary to see the "advantages"
> cited so far.)
That's why I'm explaining the advantages to you.
I'm not saying Python 3 should be written in C++, I'm only saying
that doing
it to this list) that CPython's extensive use of "inheritance
> by aggregation" is invalid C.
>
> switching to C++ would be one way to address that, of course.
My preferred way of fixing it is to do it the "proper" C way
w that
there is no potential for misinterpretation to make the claim
the problem is only theoretical?
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> martin> - increased type-safety, in particular for API that isn't
> martin> type-checked at all at the moment (e.g. PyArg_ParseTuple)
>
> That's merely an advantage to having a C++
I just created a snapshot MSI release from the trunk
(I actually recreated the 25a0 tag for that, to find that
subversion will not update $HeadURL$ automatically when
switching branches).
Please find the file at
http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/home/loewis/python-2.5.13238.msi
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to administer.
We should not do this. Performing a checkout each time is too expensive.
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See above. Rather than copying Modules/Setup over, I'd prefer to
see a distclean.
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that. I would start running the binary in a debugger to find
out where it crashes. Maybe the bug in Python is easy to see
from that. But then, maybe the bug is in the compiler, and not
in Python...
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