Re: [Python-Dev] MSDN licenses available for python-dev

2010-04-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
Twisted folks will surely appreciate any help and may be able to contribute back. http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/Windows -- anatoly t. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > Hi python-dev, > > The recent threads on builds/installers for Mac and Windows reminded me of > Ste

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Library Support in 3.x (Was: email package status in 3.X)

2010-06-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Stephen Thorne wrote: >> We are also attempting to enable tax-deductible fund raising to increase >> the likelihood of David's finding support. Perhaps we need to think >> about a broader campaign to increase the quality of the python 3 >> libraries. I find it very

[Python-Dev] cmdline arguments in test_support.run_unittest

2010-06-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
I thought that some arguments to test_support.run_unittest would be useful. Would like to hear your feedback before making anything. http://bugs.python.org/issue9028 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] WPython 1.1 was released

2010-06-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
It would be interesting to see benchmark diagrams inline on one page with overall summaries. I've posted a enhancement to http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/issues/detail?id=145 if somebody is going to look at that. I wonder if 32bit version can bring more speedups? -- anatoly t. ___

[Python-Dev] Pickle security and remote logging

2010-06-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, I need to send logging module output over the network. The module has everything to make this happen, except security. SocketHandler and DatagramHandler examples are using pickle module that is said to be insecure. SocketHandler and DatagramHandler docs should at least contain a warning abo

Re: [Python-Dev] Pickle security and remote logging

2010-06-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > > I've updated the documentation of SocketHandler.makePickle to mention security > concerns, and that the method can be overridden to use a more secure > implementation (e.g. HMAC-signed pickles). Thanks. But I doubt HMAC complication helps to

[Python-Dev] Mercurial migration readiness (was: Taking over the Mercurial Migration)

2010-07-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
After reading PEP 384 and PEP 385 (finally) I got a strong impression that they are not ready for the change (read below the line for details), because they do not propose any workflow. So, instead of rushing with migration I'd like to propose incremental change rather than revolutionary that will

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration readiness (was: Taking over the Mercurial Migration)

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Jesse Noller wrote: > > This migration is far from "rushed". Workflow will need to be > documented and we need a working hg setup a little while before the > official migration. Both of those said, I personally think this has > dragged on long enough. So, if I unde

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration readiness

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: > hg.python.org/cpython is a test setup for people working on the > transition. It is not guaranteed to be usable, it usually lags, and it > will be rewritten before the real switch IIRC. > > code.python.org/hg is a mirror kept in sync for use by

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration readiness (was: Taking over the Mercurial Migration)

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> >> So, if I understand correctly - there are no Mercurial mirrors for >> testing at the moment, > > There are repositories at http://hg.python.org/; the "cpython" one > represents the result of conversion at some point in time. What is the p

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration readiness (was: Taking over the Mercurial Migration)

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> >> What is the problem with realtime synchronization and working with >> already up to date Mercurial mirror of central SVN repository? > > The specifics of the conversion process are not nailed down yet. > Therefore, the exact translation of

[Python-Dev] Are you ready for Mercurial migration?

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
To shed some light on the readiness of Python community for the switch I've opened public Google Wave. Please add your opinion if you can and send this link to other contributors you may know: https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+G12NYQbDA -- anatoly t. _

Re: [Python-Dev] Are you ready for Mercurial migration?

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
Éric, you letter is discouraging. This is not for coredevs, who already "decided" - it for the rest of the world. I should clarify it in the first place, but I would like to avoid lengthy debates outside of the Wave. > As a minor contributor, I’m eager for the migration, It is not the question ab

Re: [Python-Dev] Are you ready for Mercurial migration?

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
Antoine, I value you contribution to `hgsvn` project, and this thread is not a personal accusation of anybody in making proper transition - please understand that I would like to see the opinion of people who preferred not to be involved in lengthy discussions. For personal pretensions against me -

Re: [Python-Dev] Are you ready for Mercurial migration?

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: >> Do you plan to read ~100 page long hginit.com tutorial after *it happens? > > That tutorial is not ~100 pages. It's actually a good tutorial. That's why I posted it here, but it still >80 pages in my browser. > Feel free to copy that into Go

[Python-Dev] SVN <-> HG workflow to split Python Library by Module

2010-07-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
I planned to publish this proposal when it is finally ready and tested with an assumption that Subversion repository will be online and up-to-date after Mercurial migration. But recent threads showed that currently there is no tested mechanism to sync Subversion repository back with Mercurial, so i

Re: [Python-Dev] blocking 2.7

2010-07-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > In the worst case, a function rejects valid data. If I have to choose, I > prefer to reject valid data than a security vulnerability. But audioop has > tests and I don't think that my patch breaks anything :-) But Python tests lack coverag

[Python-Dev] Licensing // PSF // Motion of non-confidence

2010-07-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
Sorry for touching a sore point of if I sound like a boss to someone. I tried to be as constructive as possible, but politeness was not the point, so I can only hope you understand. I do not think PSF does its job well and here is why. 1. Python licensing terms are explained poorly In order to "

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration readiness

2010-07-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >> > After the switch, hg.python.org/cpython will be the official repo, and >> > code.python.org/hg will probably be closed. >> >> Why this transition is not described in PEP? > > Because it's not a transition. It's a mirror. It was put in p

Re: [Python-Dev] New regex module for 3.2?

2010-07-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:52 PM, MRAB wrote: > Hi all, > > I re-implemented the re module, adding new features and speed > improvements. It's available at: > >    http://pypi.python.org/pypi/regex > > under the name "regex" so that it can be tried alongside "re". > > I'd be interested in any comme

Re: [Python-Dev] New regex module for 3.2?

2010-07-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: > > While the re2 comparison might be interesting from an abstract > standpoint, it intentionally supports a different regex language from > Python so that it can run faster and use less memory. Since re2 can > never replace Python's re module

Re: [Python-Dev] python-checkins replies

2010-07-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Michael Foord wrote: >>> >>> Given how high traffic python-checkins is I don't consider that a >>> reasonable place to send follow-up and nor do I consider it the >>> responsibility of committers to monitor it. As you said earlier this >>> *isn't* in our standard d

Re: [Python-Dev] importlib

2010-07-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> In any case, here my results under a Linux system: >>> >>> $ ./python -m importlib.test.benchmark >>> sys.modules [ 323782 326183 326667 ] best is 326667 >>> Built-in module [ 33600 33693 33610 ] best is 33693 >>> >>> $ ./python -m importlib

Re: [Python-Dev] marking os.system() as deprecated in the docs

2010-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
Is it possible to use subprocess functionality in os.system()? Just exactly describe what it does instead of "This is implemented by calling the Standard C function system(), and has the same limitations." type sentences. -- anatoly t. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:52 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > Th

Re: [Python-Dev] OpenID login for Roundup bug trackers

2010-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
+On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:25 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Thanks for drawing my attention to that; if the people who made OpenID >> auth happen are observing this, then thank you all very much! > > You're welcome! > >> Any hope of feeding those changes back upstream so it's available to all >>

[Python-Dev] Readability of hex strings (Was: Use of coding cookie in 3.x stdlib)

2010-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
I find "\xXX\xXX\xXX\xXX..." notation for binary data totally unreadable. Everybody who uses and analyses binary data is more familiar with plain hex dumps in the form of "XX XX XX XX...". I wonder if it is possible to introduce an effective binary string type that will be represented as h"XX XX X

[Python-Dev] Define a place for code review in Python workflow

2010-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
http://bugs.python.org/issue9376 This issue discussed docs on the proper way to create diff on windows (as it is doesn't have the tool) for sending the patch. The current proper way is to use "svn diff" which will be replaced with "hg diff". I proposed using Rietveld like: > python -m easy_install

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Readability of hex strings (Was: Use of coding cookie in 3.x stdlib)

2010-07-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
ssage -- From: anatoly techtonik To: Alexandre Vassalotti Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:24:15 +0300 Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Readability of hex strings (Was: Use of coding cookie in 3.x stdlib) On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: > [+Python-ideas -Python-Dev] > > i

[Python-Dev] Internal counter to debug leaking file descriptors

2010-08-30 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, Is there any kind of internal file descriptor counter that can be queried to debug issues with leaking resources? It can be used in tests to check that all tests are finish with 0 opened descriptors. It will be very useful while porting Python applications from Unix to Windows. Unix is more to

Re: [Python-Dev] Internal counter to debug leaking file descriptors

2010-09-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > If you wanted to do something like this in the Python stdlib, you'd > have to monkey-patch (with a proxy/wrapper) all places that can open > or close a filedescriptor -- os.open, os.popen, os.close, file > open/close, socket open/close, an

Re: [Python-Dev] r84388 - in python/branches/py3k/Doc: conf.py using/index.rst

2010-09-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> That title isn't better though, since it doesn't cover the "using/cmdline" >> document which deals with command line options, environment variables >> and the like. >> >> I agree that "Using Python" is not very descriptive though. > > Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > I certainly agree with that.  So, how can we solve those problems?  Radomir > has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme > more visually appealing.  What roadblocks do people encounter when they want > to he

[Python-Dev] Python development tools (Was: Goodbye)

2010-09-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Simply, situations like the above (Mark closing a bug just because > nobody would answer his message on a short delay) have happened > multiple times - despite people opposing, obviously -, I must say that the same attitude is present in

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >>    Antoine> Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively >>    Antoine> contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place >>    Antoine> to ask.  Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ... >> >> It would be nice

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > More wiki and website maintainers needed! That's the consequence. You need to seek the reason why there are no maintainers or active members on pydotorg-www lists. I've expressed my thoughts earlier. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Stev

[Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? My user story: I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one package. Each module has tests or other useful stuff for debug in its main sectio

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-30 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:18 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl: >> Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or

[Python-Dev] Allow registered users to link bugs

2010-10-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
Can anybody remind me why we don't allow registered tracker users to link dependent bugs between each other? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-10-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> >> I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in >> Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? >> >> My user story: ... >> PEP 328 http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0328/  proposes: >> >> from ... import c

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-10-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in >> Python 3k or >> we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? This is The question. Is Python 3k more friendly to users or require them to learn the "zen of import" (whi

[Python-Dev] It is always loo late (Was: Relative imports in Py3k)

2010-10-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:22 AM, R. David Murray wrote: >> >> I don't see why such awkward way should be necessary in Python 3k, >> which breaks backwards compatibility. Why it can't "just work" for my >> user story? > > Because you weren't around advocating and implementing a change when > Python

Re: [Python-Dev] r85838 - python/branches/py3k/.gitignore

2010-10-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 26, 2010, at 09:19 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > >>On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >>> This looks more like "Add gitignore".  Do we really want to check in >>> ignore files for every possible DVCS? >> >>No, but support

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing zipfile.BadZipfile to zipfile.BadZipFile

2010-10-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
Can anybody summarize the outcome? Is it that renaming BadZipfile to BadZipFile with backward compatible alias and deprecation note breaks something? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

[Python-Dev] Code coverage doesn't show .py stats

2010-11-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, Python code coverage doesn't include any .py files. What happened? http://coverage.livinglogic.de/ Did it work before? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: h

[Python-Dev] Pickle alternative in stdlib (Was: On breaking modules into packages)

2010-11-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > > This is the strongest reason why I recommend to everyone I know that they > not use pickle for storage they'd like to keep working after upgrades [not > just of stdlib, but other 3rd party software or their own software]. :) > > +1. > Twis

Re: [Python-Dev] Pickle alternative in stdlib (Was: On breaking modules into packages)

2010-11-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:28 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz >> wrote: >>> >>> This is the strongest reason why I recommend to everyone I know that they >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Formatting of Hg checkin notifications

2010-11-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 11/13/2010 8:28 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Following the python-checkins list, I get to see both the current SVN >> notifications and the Hg notifications from Tarek's pushes into the >> distutils repository. I realised today that there i

[Python-Dev] API refactoring tracker field for Python4

2011-01-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
There are many API changes and proposals that were forgotten and didn't get into Python 3, although they should be, because it was the only chance to change things with backwards compatibility break. For example http://bugs.python.org/issue1559549 This happened, because of poor bug management, whe

Re: [Python-Dev] API refactoring tracker field for Python4

2011-01-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: >> >> There are many API changes and proposals that were forgotten and >> didn't get into Python 3, although they should be, because it was the >> only chance to change things with backwards compatibility break. For >> example http://bugs.python.

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2011-01-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 07/01/2011 17:07, Python tracker wrote: >> >> ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-12-31 - 2011-01-07) >> Python tracker athttp://bugs.python.org/ >> >> To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. >> Do NOT respond to this m

[Python-Dev] Where are Python 2.5.5 binaries for Windows?

2011-01-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
I need Python 2.5.5 binaries to run Google AppEngine SDK 1.4.1 on Windows, but can't find them on http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.5/ Why are they removed? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] Where are Python 2.5.5 binaries for Windows?

2011-01-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 13:04, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> >> I need Python 2.5.5 binaries to run Google AppEngine SDK 1.4.1 on >> Windows, but can't find them on >> http://www.python.org/download/release

Re: [Python-Dev] Where are Python 2.5.5 binaries for Windows?

2011-01-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: >> >> >> >> I need Python 2.5.5 binaries to run Google AppEngine SDK 1.4.1 on >> >> Windows, but can't find them on >> >> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.5/ >> >> >> >> Why are they removed? >> >> -- >> >> anatoly t. >> > >> > Nothi

[Python-Dev] Get current UTC offset in crossplatform way

2011-01-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, It is already 2011. I didn't monitor the issue closely, but judging by the face that http://bugs.python.org/issue9527 is still open, Python still doesn't have a method to extract current timezone information from system. Can anybody recap what are we going to do with that in Python 3? Prob

[Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-01-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, I'd like to You probably know that after installation on Windows system it is possible to call Python from Explorer's Run dialog (Win-R). It is because Python path is added to App Paths registry key and Windows Explorer shell checks this key when looking for executable. But Python doesn't wor

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Am 28.01.2011 20:29, schrieb Raymond Hettinger: >> At the very least, we should add some prominent instructions for getting the >> command line version up and running. > > /me pops out of Guido's time machine and says: "execute > Tools/s

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
Ok. Here is the patch. I used Orca to reverse installer tables of Mercurial MSI and inserted similar entry for Python. Also available for review at: http://codereview.appspot.com/4023055 -- anatoly t. Index: Tools/msi/msi.py === ---

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 15:13, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> >> Ok. Here is the patch. I used Orca to reverse installer tables of >> Mercurial MSI and inserted similar entry for Python. >> >>

[Python-Dev] Mercurial style patch submission (Was: MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047))

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:45:45 + > techto...@gmail.com wrote: >> I see no reason for b.p.o bureaucracy. Mercurial-style workflow [1] is >> more beneficial to development as it doesn't require switching from >> console to browser for submi

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > techto...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I see no reason for b.p.o bureaucracy. > > It provides a place for discussion, and makes it easier to coordinate > multiple efforts. Code review system provides a better space for discussion if we are speakin

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 31.01.2011 21:45, schrieb techto...@gmail.com: >> There is no b.p.o issue as it's not a bug, but a tiny copy/paste patch >> to clean up the code a bit while I am trying to understand how to add >> Python to the PATH. >> >> I see no reason

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-01-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: I see no reason for b.p.o bureaucracy. >>> >>> It provides a place for discussion, and makes it easier to coordinate >>> multiple efforts. >> >> Code review system provides a better space for discussion if we are >> speaking about

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-02-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:58 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> To me polluting tracker with the >> issues that are neither bugs nor feature requests only makes bug >> triaging process and search more cumbersome. >

[Python-Dev] Rietveld integration status (Was: MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047))

2011-02-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > > A mailing list works only if you have a small group of core developers > who can independently organize the incoming mails using local tools, > such as the read/unread marking of the email client.  For a larger > group this doesn't work (how

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-02-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 15:43, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Brian Curtin >> wrote: >> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 15:13, anatoly techtonik >> > wrote: >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-02-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:10 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 31.01.2011 22:13, schrieb anatoly techtonik: >> Ok. Here is the patch. I used Orca to reverse installer tables of >> Mercurial MSI and inserted similar entry for Python. > > This doesn't do unin

[Python-Dev] devguide: Generate patches without code checkout (Was: devguide: Write a guide to committing a patch.)

2011-02-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:14:51 +0100 > Ezio Melotti wrote: >> > + >> > +Committing Patches >> > +== > [...] >> > + >> > +    svnmerge.py merge -r 42 >> > + >> > +This will try to apply the patch to the current patch and genera

Re: [Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

2011-02-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > >> It is a surprise to find builtin msilib. Why isn't it used? > > Originally, because Python needs to be packaged with an older > release (in particular one that isn't itself maintained anymore). That doesn't answer the question why Pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Generate patches without code checkout (Was: devguide: Write a guide to committing a patch.)

2011-02-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> Making and testing a patch from Python checkout requires compiling >> Python, which is not possible for Windows users. > > That latter comment hasn't

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-02-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Chris Withers wrote: >> >> I've helped quite a few "python newbies" on Windows who are also >> surprised / frustrated on learning that "python" on the command line >> doesn't work after installing python. > > Yes, I've always found it a surprising disappointment tha

Re: [Python-Dev] python 3.2 (fwd)

2011-02-16 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 2/9/2011 12:32 PM, s...@pobox.com wrote: >> >> Passing this along from webmaster. > > It is hard to reply to an attachment rather than inline forwarded message. >  However, with rc1 > import sqlite3 sqlite3.version > '2.6.0' sq

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Fix a silly statement.

2011-02-16 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 10.02.2011 19:27, schrieb Brett Cannon: >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 23:10, Georg Brandl wrote: >>> Am 09.02.2011 23:58, schrieb brett.cannon: brett.cannon pushed 7101df1bd817 to devguide: http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/710

[Python-Dev] Actual Mercurial Roadmap for February (Was: svn outage on Friday)

2011-02-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 00:17, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I think it's fair to say that the project currently rests, lacking >> a project lead. The most recent timeline is that conversion should >> be completed by PyCon, and, failing that

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Fix a silly statement.

2011-02-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: >> Well, it's no good to keep using CVCS terms and mislead users.  That the >> "checkout" is not a checkout but a full repository is about the most >> important >> fact about a hg (or any DVCS) clone. > > Well, to really use the Mercurial terms,

Re: [Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

2011-02-19 Thread anatoly techtonik
I've got a feeling that policy is evil and can not be applied cleanly when change falls out of scope of Python core .c sources and .py files from standard library. Right now the proposal is to add Python to %PATH% to make Python more user friendly for newbies. I can't see what can become worse tha

[Python-Dev] w9xpopen.exe is still in 3.2

2011-02-19 Thread anatoly techtonik
Python definitely needs a development Roadmap to avoid things like w9xpopen.exe slipping off radar from release to release. We don't support Windows 9x since Python 2.6. What this file does in 3.x distributions? http://bugs.python.org/issue2405 -- anatoly t. __

Re: [Python-Dev] w9xpopen.exe is still in 3.2

2011-02-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:10 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 20.02.2011 07:43, schrieb anatoly techtonik: >> Python definitely needs a development Roadmap to avoid things like >> w9xpopen.exe slipping off radar from release to release. We don't >> support Wi

Re: [Python-Dev] Gsoc 2011 ideas

2011-02-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
I've compiled a list of issues with python.org services that are not strictly related to core development, but still may be beneficial for Python community as a GSoC project at http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/list Feel free to add your own proposals/ideas. -- anatoly t. On Sat, Feb 12,

Re: [Python-Dev] Actual Mercurial Roadmap for February (Was: svn outage on Friday)

2011-02-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 14:41, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> Do you have a public list of stuff to be done (i.e. Roadmap)? >> BTW, what is the size of Mercurial clone for Python repository? > > There is a TODO fi

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.2.0 == 20th anniversary release

2011-02-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 23.02.2011 20:43, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> Or you realized later how nice it would be, grabbed the time machine, >>> and fixed 10 release blockers on the 19th. :) >> >> No no no. He actually grabbed the time machine, drove 20 years bac

[Python-Dev] Official Roadmap (Re: Let's get PEP 380 into Python 3.3)

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Now that the language moratorium is lifted, let's make sure to get PEP > 380 implemented for Python 3.3. How about official RoadMap? There is no visibility into what's going on in Python development. New people can' t jump in and help do

Re: [Python-Dev] Official Roadmap (Re: Let's get PEP 380 into Python 3.3)

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 06:40, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Guido van Rossum >> wrote: >> > Now that the language moratorium is lifted, let's make sure to get PEP

[Python-Dev] unittest.main() --catch parameter

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
I am looking at --help of test runner and asking the question: what is the use case for -c, --catch option? It doesn't look like it should be present in generic runner. I also can't find reasons to waste short option for it. There will be big problems with people complaining about BC break even if

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest.main() --catch parameter

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 03/03/2011 20:31, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> I am looking at --help of test runner and asking the question: what is >> the use case for -c, --catch option? > > It catches keyboard interrupt and instead of j

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Antoine Pitrou writes: > >  > Following the example given in the original article, I was considering >  > a single freeform question: "why did you stop contributing after your >  > last patch to CPython?" (of course, that text should be

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Westley Martínez wrote: > If I got a message like that in my mailbox I would be rather annoyed, > mark it as spam, and be less likely to contribute again. > > Just my point of view. +1 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Svetlov wrote: >> >> Will Mercurial make things more attractive? >> > Definitely yes! I welcome upcoming migration. > >>> And, of course, very long lifecycle of the most issues greatly reduces >>> enthusisasm. >> >> True. I believe we are improving that, but

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest.main() --catch parameter

2011-03-03 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >>> >>> Without this option interrupting a test run with a ctrl-c kills the run >>> and >>> reports nothing. Seeing an unexpected failure or error during a long test >>> run and having to wait to the end of the test run to see the traceback >>>

Re: [Python-Dev] rXXX links in the bug tracker after the migration to Mercurial

2011-03-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
We need a mapping for previous commits. -- anatoly t. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > Does the bug tracker will continue to support rX links after the > migration to Mercurial? > > Victor > > ___ > Python-Dev mailin

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld or Review Board use?

2011-03-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Andi Albrecht wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Mar 04, 2011, at 05:19 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> >>>Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 10:05 -0600, s...@pobox.com a écrit : Is Rietveld or Review Board being used within the Python co

Re: [Python-Dev] rXXX links in the bug tracker after the migration to Mercurial

2011-03-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:51:15 -0500 > David Malcolm wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:17 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: >> > On 04.03.2011 13:59, Victor Stinner wrote: >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > Does the bug tracker will continue to support rX

Re: [Python-Dev] rXXX links in the bug tracker after the migration to Mercurial

2011-03-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:45:24 +0100 > "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> > It's not really needed; but since it works with 6+ hex digits there might >> > be false positives. >> >> I searched the messages, and it turns out that primarily long number

[Python-Dev] Python3: speed efficiency vs user friendliness (my first experience)

2011-03-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
I didn't touch Python3 until PyCon, and my first user experience is not really good. I've got a feeling that Python3 became more ugly, because it doesn't allow me to think about the logic anymore, and requires more low-level workarounds even for basic user input/output. For example, now I need to

[Python-Dev] 2to3 status, repositories and HACKING guide

2011-03-23 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, Currently 2to3 page at http://wiki.python.org/moin/2to3 lists http://svn.python.org/view/sandbox/trunk/2to3 as a repository for 2to3 tool. There is also an outdated repository at http://hg.python.org/ and the page says that the code is finally integrated into CPython 2.6 - you can see it at ht

Re: [Python-Dev] 2to3 status, repositories and HACKING guide

2011-03-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, Benjamin, Is your repository for 2to3 is still actual? http://svn.python.org/view/sandbox/trunk/2to3/ Which should I use to start hacking on 2to3? -- anatoly t. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > Hi, > > Currently 2to3 page at http://wiki.python.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] [issue7284] argparse - display version in usage by default

2011-03-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Steven Bethard wrote: > > I see though that vi puts the full name and version before the usage (which > is currently impossible in argparse): That was exactly my use case, which I'd say is very common for small utilities. Just in 10 minutes I could find that abo

[Python-Dev] GSoC idea: PEP process enhancements (Was: [issue7284] argparse - display version in usage by default)

2011-03-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:14 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> A pity that before argparse replaced optparse, there was no research >> made to gather the output from various console tools to see how >> argparse

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.3 release schedule posted

2011-04-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > I've posted a very preliminary Python 3.3 release schedule as PEP 398. > The final release is set to be about 18 months after 3.2 final, which > is in August 2012. Why this isn't being added to Release Calendar on the front page? Do you have

[Python-Dev] Unicode module names (Was: Python 3.3 release schedule posted)

2011-04-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > I am still working on the import machinery to fix last bugs related to > Unicode. So it will be possible to do an useless "import café" in Python > 3.3, on any platform. But it is not really an huge change (for the user, > but an huge chan

Re: [Python-Dev] Decisions about workflow

2011-04-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM, wrote: > >    Antoine> Take a look at: >    Antoine> http://docs.python.org/devguide/committing.html > > What form should directed graphs be in for inclusion? Pictures. But so far I haven't seen any Graphviz-like tools in pure Python. http://code.google.com/p/ra

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