[Python-Dev] Excess help() output

2014-07-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, The help() output is confusing for beginners: >>> class B(object): ... pass ... >>> help(B) Help on class B in module __main__: class B(__builtin__.object) | Data descriptors defined here: | | __dict__ | dictionary for instance variables (if defined) |

[Python-Dev] subprocess research - max limit for piped output

2014-07-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
I am trying to figure out what is maximum size for piped input in subprocess.check_output() I've got limitation of about 500Mb after which Python exits with MemoryError without any additional details. I have only 2.76Gb memory used out of 8Gb, so what limit do I hit? 1. subprocess output read bu

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes-like objects

2014-10-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
That's a cool stuff. `bytes-like object` is really a much better name for users. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > This thread hasn't been productive for a really long time now. I agree. The constructive way would be to concentrate on looking for causes. I don't know if there is a discipline of "programming language usability" in computer science, bu

[Python-Dev] python 2.7.9 regression in argparse?

2015-01-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
https://github.com/nickstenning/honcho/pull/121 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.c

Re: [Python-Dev] hg vs Github [was: PEP 481 - Migrate Some Supporting Repositories to Git and Github]

2015-01-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: > >> What I really don't understand is why this discussion is hg v. >> GitHub, when it should be hg v. git. Particular hosting is >> a secondary issue > > I think even the proponents concede that git isn't better enough > to justify a switch in

[Python-Dev] 2.7.9 regression in argparse

2015-03-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
Just a pointer for possible regression http://bugs.python.org/issue23058 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org

2015-05-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/19/2015 11:02 AM, Kushal Das wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> With the help of CentOS project I am happy to announce an automated >> system [1] to test patches from bugs.python.org. This can be fully >> automated >> to test the patches whenever som

Re: [Python-Dev] Mingw help

2015-06-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:24 AM, Steve Dower wrote: > If you have an interest in linking to the Windows builds of Python 2.7 and > 3.5+ using mingw, please visit http://bugs.python.org/issue24385 > > Unless someone can provide me with the One True Way to generate a lib that > will work for everyone

[Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/1ee45eb6aab9/Parser/Python.asdl In Assign(expr* targets, expr value), why the first argument is a list? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/10 anatoly techtonik : >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/1ee45eb6aab9/Parser/Python.asdl >> >> In Assign(expr* targets, expr value), why the first argument is a list? > > x = y = 42 Thanks. S

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/10 anatoly techtonik : >>>> http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/1ee45eb6aab9/Parser/Python.as

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : >>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson >>> wrote: >>>> 2013/11/10 anatoly tech

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : >>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson >>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/22 anatoly techtonik : >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : >>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
It was too fast. I didn't had a chance to send the comments. -- anatoly t. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hello, > > I've pushed pathlib to the repository. I'm hopeful there won't be > new buildbot failures because of it, but still, there may be some > platform-specif

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-23 Thread anatoly techtonik
I'd vote for a different perspective on path handling. For me the pathlib is not the good way to go. Especially with copying ill behaviour of old os.path functions. We definitely need a "task force page" dedicated to "working with paths in Python" to collaborate. ML + PEP with privileged write acc

Re: [Python-Dev] buildbot's are needlessly compiling -O0

2013-11-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 24 Nov 2013 17:15, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: >> >> our buildbots are setup to configure --with-pydebug which also >> unfortunately causes them to compile with -O0... this results in a python >> binary that is excruciatingly slow and mak

[Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
I wanted to help people who are trying to find out more about PEP submission process by providing relevant info (or a pointer) in README.rst that is located at the root of PEPs repository. You can see it here. https://bitbucket.org/rirror/peps I filled this issue with b.p.o http://bugs.python.or

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. "Pull > requests" (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should > start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing it and > getting it fo

Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity"

2014-01-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 09/01/2014 06:50, Lennart Regebro wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Ben Finney >> wrote: >>> >>> Kristján Valur Jónsson writes: >>> Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings. Sometimes you ju

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Update Sphinx toolchain.

2014-01-12 Thread anatoly techtonik
And cross-platform automation tools in Python instead of make https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/issue/456/makepy-command-script -- anatoly t. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, INADA Naoki wrote: > What about using venv and pip instead of svn? > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Georg Br

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Update Sphinx toolchain.

2014-01-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
t; instead of dir names, and move dir names into parameters, because it is how it is most often used. -- anatoly t. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > That's also planned, see > https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx-new-make-mode/. > > Georg > > Am 12.01.

[Python-Dev] PyPI offline, status is ok

2014-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
http://status.python.org/ shows all green https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gazest shows Error 503 backend read error backend read error Guru Meditation: XID: 2792709923 Varnish cache server https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ shows XID: 4199593736 -- anatoly t. _

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI offline, status is ok

2014-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> http://status.python.org/ shows all green >> >> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gazest shows >> >> Error 503 backend read error >> &

[Python-Dev] Dead code in json/encoder?

2014-03-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
It looks like _one_shot parameter is always called with True argument and unused. What is the purpose of it? https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/de1b33f6e6071816a1fc52cd5f0c6cd47d704251/Lib/json/encoder.py#L239-L249 -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mail

[Python-Dev] New absolute __file__ in Python 3.4

2014-04-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
https://docs.python.org/3.4/whatsnew/3.4.html#other-language-changes 1. Is this absolute name with symlinks resolved? 2. Why there is a special case for __main__? (i.e. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.) 3. What link should I click in Python reference to read about standa

[Python-Dev] Python usability study (Was: Language Summit notes)

2014-04-20 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > Glyph wants a PSF fund to a usability study on Python. There were a > few other suggestion on PSF support for tooling development. +2 on initiative -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-D

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7.7. on Windows

2014-04-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On 04/29/2014 05:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: >> >> This would be an incredibly painful change that would surprise and hurt a >> lot of >> people. > > > Hi, I think "incredibly painful" is overstating the case a bit. ;) We're > talking about an

[Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
I am banned from tracker, so I post the bug here: Normal Windows behavior: >hg status --rev ".^1" M mercurial\commands.py ? pysptest.py >hg status --rev .^1 abort: unknown revision '.1'! So, ^ is an escape character. See http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/35565-45-when-special-comman

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Why pass shell=True when executing a single > command? I don't get it. > I don't know about Linux, but on Windows programs are not directly available as /usr/bin/python, so you need to find command in PATH directories. Passing shell=True m

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Ryan wrote: > > In all seriousness, to me this is obvious. When you pass a command to the > > shell, naturally, certain details are shell-specific. > On Windows cmd.exe is used by default: http://hg.python

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:00 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > Also notice that using a list with shell=True is using the API > incorrectly. It wouldn't even work on Linux, so that torpedoes > the cross-platform concern already :) > > This kind of confusion is why I opened http://bugs.python.org/issu

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > SHELLS ARE NOT CROSS-PLATFORM Seriously, there are going to be > differences. If you really must: > > escape = lambda s: s.replace('^', '^^') if os.name == 'nt' else s > It is not about generic shell problem, it is about specific behavi

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > "R. David Murray" writes: > > Also notice that using a list with shell=True is using the API > > incorrectly. It wouldn't even work on Linux, so that torpedoes > > the cross-platform concern already :) > > > > This kind of confusion is why

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > ISTM what you want is not shell=True, but a separate function that > > follows the system policy for translating a command name into a > > path-to-binary. That's something that, A

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > Hello all, > > PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a good > number of people confirmed to attend. If you are intending to come to the > language summit but haven't let me know please do so. > > The agenda of topi

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Issue 1229 in nativeclient: Get Python to work under Native Client

2013-07-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
Does Python build system support cross-compiling? NaCl projects seems to have problem with that. Just thought you might be interested to know about it. -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Issue 1229 in nativeclient: Get Python to work un

[Python-Dev] TransformDict (PEP 455) Naming

2013-09-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
Does anybody know if http://vote.python.org is already operational? I decided to start a separate thread for TransformDict name, because I want to change it. Current implementation of PEP 455 only touches dictionary keys and it is more narrow than the name suggests. I'd reserve TransformDict name

[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrap) TL;DR and Usage Scenario

2013-09-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > With the last round of updates, I believe PEP 453 is ready for > Martin's pronouncement. > > HTML: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0453/ > Major diffs: http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/b2993450b32a I'd enjoy concise PEP texts, but it is extre

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding support to curses library

2009-02-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
Please note that there is a pending change that will introduce curses module on Windows in http://bugs.python.org/issue2889 I would really like to see the patch in the issue integrated before it became invalid due to other patches to test curses on Windows. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM, A.M. K

Re: [Python-Dev] Pybots link obsolete?

2009-02-26 Thread anatoly techtonik
Still actual. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Hello, > > In http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/, there's a link suggesting to visit the > pybots Web site for more information. However, http://www.pybots.org/ just > says > "Nothing here #". > > Regards > > Antoine. > > > _

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wins Linux New Media Award for Best Open Source Programming Language

2009-03-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Lie Ryan wrote: The prize was Martin von Löwis of the Python Foundation on behalf of the Python community itself. >>> >>> This is a funny translation from German-to-English. :-) >>> >>> But yeah, a good one and the prize was presented by Klaus Knopper

[Python-Dev] version compare function into main lib

2009-03-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
Greetings, Correct me if I wrong, but shouldn't Python include function for version comparisons? The problem of splitting a string like "10.3.40-beta" into tuple for cmp() seems to be dead simple, but the code gets bulky with excepting errors arised from converting resulting strings for arithmeti

Re: [Python-Dev] os.defpath for Windows

2009-04-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, I've added the issue to tracker. http://bugs.python.org/issue5717 --anatoly t. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Yinon Ehrlich wrote: > Hi, > > just saw that os.defpath for Windows is defined as >        Lib/ntpath.py:30:defpath = '.;C:\\bin' > > Most Windows machines I saw has no c:\bin di

[Python-Dev] Roundup keywords for bug tracking

2009-06-05 Thread anatoly techtonik
It is impossible to edit roundup keywords and this takes away the flexibility in selecting bugs related to a module/function/test or some other aspect of development. For example, I need to gather all subprocess bugs in one query and things that won't be fixed in deprecated os.popen() into another.

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup keywords for bug tracking

2009-06-08 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Daniel Diniz wrote: > anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> It is impossible to edit roundup keywords and this takes away the >> flexibility in selecting bugs related to a module/function/test or >> some other aspect of development. For ex

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of 2.7 and 3.2

2009-06-08 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > I have thought that 2.7 was now to come out instead with 3.2 and would > include backported 3.2 new features.  Others expect 2.7 to come out soon > after 3.1 and to only contain new 3.1 features.  So Guido or someone, please > clarify: is 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of 2.7 and 3.2

2009-06-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > I am not quite sure whether you are for new features or not. Your > first sentence ("vote for ... not adding new features") seems to > suggest that you would not like to see new features, and your last > sentence ("absence of native cur

[Python-Dev] Roundup dependency tree changes

2009-09-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, How about allowing all authenticated users update dependency field in Python tracker? http://bugs.python.org/iss...@sort0=dependencies&@sortdir0=on&@sort1=&@group0=priority&@group1=&@columns=title,id,activity,dependencies,status&@pagesize=150&@startwith=0 Looks like developers with access

[Python-Dev] IDLE as default Python editor (Was: [pygame] Python IDE for windoz)

2009-11-08 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community that I'd like to ask to Python developers. How many of you use IDLE? What's wrong with it? >From my side I like the idea of having default Python editor that is small, fast, convenient and extensible/embeddable. IDLE is

[Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> >> Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we're the >> ones that *ship* Idle, so it is legitimate to ask our reasons for >> continuing to do so. > > OTOH, the second (or, rather, third) question (does anybody think i

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > What's so bad about IDLE that you'd like to replace it? That was exactly my previous question. You don't use IDLE either, so why not to replace it with something that you can actually use, with something that is at least extensible? So p

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > >> Then there will be another issue - all editors are based upon some >> frameworks - I didn't see any popular cross-platform GUI toolkits in >> Python, so we will inevitably face the need to replace Tkinter with >> other default GUI toolkit.

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing IDLE

2009-11-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:49 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > This is not how it works. We cannot incorporate something into Python > without explicit consent and support from the author(s). So for any > editor to be incorporated as a replacement (along with all libraries > it depends on) we woul

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI front page

2009-11-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: >>> There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the >>> PyPI website. >> >> Speaking of which, why is it that http://pypi.python.org/pypi and >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ (not

Re: [Python-Dev] Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

2009-12-27 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Steven Bethard wrote: > > If you're only concerned about 2.X, then yes, optparse will *never* be > removed from 2.X. There will be a deprecation note in the 2.X > documentation but deprecation warnings will only be issued when the -3 > flag is specified. Please se

[Python-Dev] Fixed URL to 2.6 documentation

2010-02-04 Thread anatoly techtonik
Greetings, I'm writing a module for current Python 2.6 and I would like to reference documentation for Python 2.6, because I am not sure if behavior won't be changed in further series. So far I can link only to: http://docs.python.org/ (stable, 2.6) http://docs.python.org/dev/ (2.7) http://docs.p

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I'm thinking about doing a Python 2.6.5 release soon.  I've added the > following dates to the Python release schedule Google calendar: > > 2009-03-01 Python 2.6.5 rc 1 > 2009-03-15 Python 2.6.5 final > > This allows us to spend some time on 2.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >> >> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is it ok to release new ver

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >>> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >>> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is it ok to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Besides, as Barry said, classifying a bug as blocker is also a good way > to attract some attention on it. Other classifications, even "critical", > don't have the same effect. Unfortunately, not many people have privilege to change bug p

[Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
What is the point in maintaining archive listed in http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not searchable? Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but couldn't. GMane archive doesn't search - http://news.gmane.org/navbar.php?group=gmane.comp.python.dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not >> searchable? > > It is: > > Goog

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >>>> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in >>>>

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik : >> Yep. Just like I said. So, how about to add Google search form to >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev ? > > You'll have to talk to postmas...@python.org abo

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not >> searchable? >> Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but >> couldn't. >> >> GMane archive

[Python-Dev] Release timer for Core Development page

2010-02-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
I've got another idea of having a release timer on http://python.org/dev/ page together with link to generated release calendar. It will help to automatically monitor deadlines for feature fixes in alpha releases without manually monitoring this mailing list. There is already a navigation box on t

[Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

2010-02-16 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, So far, Python timezone handling is far from "pythonic". There is no function to get current UTC offset, intuitive API to get DST of current time zone and whenever it is active, no functions to work with internet timestamps (RFC 3339). In my case [1] it took about one month and five people

Re: [Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

2010-02-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> So far, Python timezone handling is far from "pythonic". There is no >> function to get current UTC offset, (...) > > There is the time.timezone attribute: UTC offset in seconds. It is correct only if DST is not in effect. On Tue, Feb 16,

[Python-Dev] Tracker reviews workflow and flags

2010-03-19 Thread anatoly techtonik
I want to push some of my patches before 2.7 and use 5-1 rule for that, but I can't come up with any review workflow other than mailing status of my comments to the issues here. I can't mark issues in any way. How about giving users ability to set flags or keywords? Maybe entering a separate field

[Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
I wonder if there are many people here who don't use some kind of "easy_install" package for package management in their Python / virtualenv installations? I propose to include at least one such package that is capable to auto-update itself in Python 2.7 C:\~env\Python27>python.exe -m easy_install

Re: [Python-Dev] Joel Spolsky on Mercurial

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> Having gotten that far, I think this might be worth referencing in new dev >> docs. > > Will do. I finally read hginit yesterday, after having seen people > rave about it on twitter for a few weeks, and it's a very friendly > introduction

Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > > Distutils2 is planned to be reintegrated in the stdlib in Python 3.3, > and my goal is to release it when Python 2.7 final is released. Does that means "after" Python 2.7, because I meant it to be "before" or at least "with"? > The open qu

Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

2010-03-24 Thread anatoly techtonik
> Sure. Package management tool should have an ability to update itself when > required regardless of Python release. For example:: > > python.exe -m easy_install setuptools > This should be: python -m easy_install -U setuptools P.S. Wave effect. =) -- anatoly t. __

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for commit access

2010-03-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:34 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > Procedurally, I wonder where people got the notion from that you can or > need to apply for commit access. IIUC, it used to be the case that you > would be recommended for commit access, by some (more or less senior) > fellow committer

[Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
t So, do we need a PEP for that? How else can I know if consensus is reached? Anybody is willing to elaborate on implementation? P.S. Please be careful to reply to relevant lists -- anatoly t. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > 2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik : > [..] >&g

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC 2010 is on -- projects?

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
I would vote for allowing student work on community infrastructure tasks. Tracker, Wiki, Web site management tools are all outdated and everybody who cares agrees that they've seen a better tools. -- anatoly t. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:36 AM, C. Titus Brown wrote: > Hi all, > > once again, t

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> >> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct >> user how to download and install an actual package  management tool >> when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool - >> `easy_install` - a part of `se

Re: [Python-Dev] [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro : > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct >> user how to download and install an actual package  management tool >> when users tries to use it. So far I know

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > [..] >> distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know >> anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about >> dependencies. > > At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages at the > Pyth

[Python-Dev] Google Groups mirror (Was: Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > Anatoly, I am now answering only in Distutils-SIG. > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: > [..] Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with all this message duplication and thread foll

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/3/29 Nick Coghlan : > anatoly techtonik wrote: >> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 >> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as >> before: > > Until the discussed package management tools

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups mirror (Was: Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > anatoly techtonik gmail.com> writes: >> >> Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with all this >> message duplication and thread following nightmare. Why can't people >> here create a

Re: [Python-Dev] Contribute

2010-03-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:20 AM, wrote: > >    Shashwat> Python should have something like gnome-love ( >    Shashwat> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove ). Some bugs on bugzilla is >    Shashwat> tagged with gnome-love which are fairly easy and especially >    Shashwat> created to help dive in new

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC 2010 is on -- projects?

2010-03-31 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM, C. Titus Brown wrote: > >> I would vote for allowing student work on community infrastructure >> tasks. Tracker, Wiki, Web site management tools are all outdated and >> everybody who cares agrees that they've seen a better tools. > > As long as it's programming, it

[Python-Dev] trunk doctests fail to execute with 2.7 alpha

2010-04-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
I can not compile Python itself, so I use Alpha version to run tests in trunk. Recent update broke successfully running tests. Any hints why this happened and how to fix them back? > C:\~env\Python27\python.exe test\test_doctest.py doctest (doctest) ... 66 tests with zero failures Traceback (most

Re: [Python-Dev] trunk doctests fail to execute with 2.7 alpha

2010-04-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
Thanks. I've copied test/test_support.py form Lib into 2.7 alpha directory and it seems to work. Although it doesn't seem good to me to mix test support library with tests themselves. -- anatoly t. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 01/04/2010 10:05, anat

Re: [Python-Dev] trunk doctests fail to execute with 2.7 alpha

2010-04-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >> >> Thanks. I've copied test/test_support.py form Lib into 2.7 alpha >> directory and it seems to work. >> Although it doesn't seem good to me to mix test support library with >> tests themselves. >> > > What do you mean by "it doesn't seem go

[Python-Dev] skip all TestCase methods if resource is not available

2010-04-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
Currently it is possible to mark individual test methods with: test_support.requires('network') However, sometimes it is necessary to skip the whole TestCase if 'network' resource is not available counting the number of skipped tests at the same time. Are there any standard means to do

Re: [Python-Dev] skip all TestCase methods if resource is not available

2010-04-01 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Florent Xicluna wrote: > 2010/4/1 anatoly techtonik: >> Currently it is possible to mark individual test methods with: >>            test_support.requires('network') >> >> However, sometimes it is necessary to skip the whole Tes

[Python-Dev] 5 : 1

2010-04-02 Thread anatoly techtonik
I reviewed 5 issues and want to see http://bugs.python.org/issue7585 committed to Python 2.7 http://bugs.python.org/issue7443 test.support.unlink issue on Windows platform i race condition between os.unlink(), TortoiseSVN and os.open() - reporter changed OS and can't confirm bug anymore, ne

[Python-Dev] Code coverage metrics

2010-04-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
Where can I find public reports with Python tests code coverage? -- anatoly t. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40

Re: [Python-Dev] Code coverage metrics

2010-04-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: >> Where can I find public reports with Python tests code coverage? > > Here: > > http://coverage.livinglogic.de/ Thank you. What is the status of getting these stats on python.org? -- anatoly t.

Re: [Python-Dev] Code coverage metrics

2010-04-06 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Where can I find public reports with Python tests code coverage? >>> >>> Here: >>> >>> http://coverage.livinglogic.de/ >> >> Thank you. What is the status of getting these stats on python.org? > > Wouldn't "status" imply that there is a pl

Re: [Python-Dev] stabilizing for a release

2010-04-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
There is still a serious regression in zipfile module: http://bugs.python.org/issue6090 And I would really like to see my issue with difflib tabs committed: =/ http://bugs.python.org/issue7585 -- anatoly t. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > Let's do it. Please no com

Re: [Python-Dev] stabilizing for a release

2010-04-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:10 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > >> There is still a serious regression in zipfile module: >> http://bugs.python.org/issue6090 >> >> And I would really like to see my issue with difflib tabs committed: =/ >> http://bugs.python.org/issue7585 > > None of these are buildbot

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:13 AM, average wrote: > > There are so many features taken from 3.0 that I fear that it will > postpone its adoption interminably (it is, in practice, treated as > "beta" software itself).  By making it doctrine that it won't be > official until the next "major" Python re

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > >>>            I am surprised to see that the bug-tracker >>> doesn't have an OS classifier or ability to add >>> tags ? Since a number of issues reported seem to Just to remind about my +1 for user editable tags. >> There is one. In the Com

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-17 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > Brian Curtin wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 03:20, anatoly techtonik > <mailto:techto...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>     On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan >     <mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com>

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