;
> Fair enough. I don't quite understand, though -- why is the "official
> policy" to kill something that's "essential" on *nix?
ISTM that the policy is based on a fantasy that "it looks like text to me
in my use cases, so therefore it must be text for everyo
a "normal" linux system.
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on Windows,
who don't have the toolchain build their own C extensions.
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oject.
(Note that "having an MSDN subscription" is not the same as "knowing how
to configure which compiler such that it can bulid extensions against an
installed Python binary").
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What don't you simply monkeypatch sys.modules, e.g.:
>
> import myhttplib
>
> sys.modules['http'] = myhttplib
>
> or doesn't it work as desired?
Doesn't that leave any prior imports broken (using the original module)?
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t to adopt the PEP, but it I think it
> would be a good reason to recommend against using such obscure syntax,
> unless there's a good reason
Heh, 2003 called, and they want their "list incomprehension" debate back. ;)
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your test suite exercising that imported code (which should run with all
warnings enabled), but not when running the app.
Seems like a reasonable choice to me.
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should deprecate that syntax in 3.7,
> remove in 3.8. Let's start with that? :)
You guys are no fun: such a change would remove at least one evil
"bwah-ha-ha" cackle from David Beazley's next PyCon talk. :)
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> You would have to write:
>
> val = name.strip()[4:].upper() except Exception as -1
Wouldn't that really need to be this instead, for a true 'except:' equivalence:
val = name.strip()[4:].upper() except BaseException as -1
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itb.text()') which are used by non-CGI third-party libraries to render
tracebacks for debugging purposes. Enhancing those methods seems pretty
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es a good job with branch coverage.
I haven't seen anything in this discussion which indicates that binding
expressions will change that at all.
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eason: if "1 day" is the same for your usecase as "24 hours", then just
do the math yourself.
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attractive nuisance she will have to learn to avoid.
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se cases, having the logged datetimes be incomparable to user-facing
ones would make them less useful.
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datetimes. Typically, the application used a "date interval" object (or a
recurrence object) which generated date offsets without assuming that a
"day" was 86400 seconds.
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), which is why I hadn't written a patch for it.
+1. That certainly tripped the switch for me. I wish more of the
asyncio stuff would illuminate itself so smoothly. ;)
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backward-compatibility guarantees in Python. Or code which
explicitly works around the breakage could fail (urlparse changes between
2.7.3 and 2.7.4, anyone?d(
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ong values when straddling Python 2.x / Python 3.x.
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ss the 'int' or 'default' arguments" goes
back to at least the 'whrandom.py' module in 1.5.2. ;)
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ntation and a C extension).
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#3, especially in a new "major" release (w/ sufficient
documentation of the change).
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of the arguments accepted by the existing signature.
> (This is being discussed right now in issue #19145.)
I can't imagine justifying such an API design in the first place, but
sometimes things "jest grew", rather than being designed. I'm in favor
of # 1, in any case. If real backward compatibility is not feasible
for some reason, then I
pec.
+1 for A: it is how you would actually call the object on which 'help()'
is being called. The fact that self will be passed silently is
irrelevant to the caller.
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http://docs.python.org/devguide/
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"Guido hates them" isn't an argument: its a ukase. Version numbers are
tuples, not decimal fractions.
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n altogether.
> I'm neither averse to, nor in favour of, a Python 4 compatibility
> break in due course
I am. I don't think the community can stand another such break.
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On 03/12/2014 04:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> You can use hasattr() in place of AttributeError
I use:
getattr(subject, attrname, default)?
*all the time*.
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itle&id=&%40columns=id&stage=4&creation=&creator=&activity=&%40columns=activity&%40sort=activity&actor=&nosy=&type=&components=&versions=17&dependencies=&assignee=&keywords=&priority=3&%40group=priority&status=1&%40columns
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On 03/18/2014 07:18 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Nevertheless, an __eq__ with side-effects is legal Python and may in
> fact be useful.
E.g., for an LRU usecase.
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PyPI module.
Seems perfect for the Cheesehop to me.
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cluded module based on its customers'
paid-for needs.
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On 03/28/2014 12:18 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
> I'm mostly arguing the FLOSS project should feel free to ignore
> high-maintenance-cost commercial concerns until those concerns bring
> either blook (funded developer time) or treasure (poo
won't even be
getting security releases from the core developers.
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Amen!
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z', bam='qux')
bar: baz
kw: {'bam': 'qux'}
>>> mykw = {'bar': 'baz', 'bam': 'qux'}
>>> foo(**mykw)
bar: baz
kw: {'bam': 'qux'}
>>> mykw
{'
e merged.
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't (most users don't
really care which Python is used to drive the standalone tool).
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did you create the zip file?
>
>
> zip ../python35.zip -r .
>
>
>> Any chance that you may have compressed the pyc files?
I think you want 'zip -0' to avoid the compression.
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ng up"?
"help-wanted"
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and to review larger
ones, at least in part because *you* will have learned more about what is
needed in terms of code style, documentation, test coverage, etc., and
*they* will have learned to trust your judgement.
I'm sorry it isn't easier,
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even 3.5.
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eases shouldn't break those use cases,
> which means the security features should be mostly opt-in for 2.7 and
> 3.3.
Two words: "hash randomization". If it applies to one, it applies to
the other.
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well)
>
> I want to be fairly conservative with 2.6.9.
I believe that the same rationale should apply as that for adding hash
randomization in 2.6.8: this is at least as bad a vulnerability, with
many more vectors of attack.
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process parsing it) by sucking all available RAM. We are talking hard
lockup, reboot-to-fix-it sorts of DOC here.
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ing 'type(x) is int'
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gt;> are callable, they return concrete instances of themselves. This is
>> true for e.g. list, tuple, dict, bytes, str, and should also be true
>> of int.
Given that requirement, we still don't have to mandate that __int__
return an actual instance of the int type: the coerc
ng against the ported librarties
wouldn't break, even on Python2: but is was *not* a trivial effort.
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hen using Python 3
> for encoding/decoding bytestrings. There's no way around it.
WHat does that snark have to do with this discussion? base64 has no more
to do with character set encodings than it does the moon. It would be a
"transform" (bytes -> bytes), not an "en
p existing instances.
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p hypothetical purity.
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the last two
weeks on Ubuntu boxes unrelated to the thw Debian / Ubuntu build
infrastruction.
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On 05/17/2013 12:26 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On May 16, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>
>> I can confirm at least that I have seen this problem within the last
>> two weeks on Ubuntu boxes unrelated to the thw Debian
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> Anyway, if you're doing arithmetic on enums you're doing it wrong.
Hmm, bitwise operations, even?
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> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Tres Seaver
> wrote:
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>> On 05/19/2013 10:48 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>> Anyw
/pip-1.3.1-pyX.Y.egg/EGG-INFO/entry_points.txt
[console_scripts]
pip = pip:main
pip-X.Y = pip:main
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> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:17:49 -0400, Tres Seaver
> wrote:
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>> On 05/28/2013 11:41 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
>>>
w" on the underlying string)
a wart and a serious bug magnet.
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e up.
You could if '__iter__' raised an error ('NotIterable', maybe) which
defeated the '__getitem__'/'__len__'-based fallback.
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On 06/15/2013 04:11 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/15/2013 8:53 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>
>> In fifteen years of Python programming, I have literally *never*
>> wanted to iterate over 'str' (or now 'bytes').
>
screw anybody already using the existing distributions pretty
badly.
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inheritance" -- "inherence" is a valid term[1], but
would a good deal stranger notion to apply to a file descriptor. ;)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherence
Platonic'ly,
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proscribes.
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Linux 32/64, Mac OS X 64 or
> Windows 32. Also this release supports ARM machines running Linux
> 32bit - anything with ``ARMv6`` (like the Raspberry Pi) or ``ARMv7``
> (like Beagleboard, Chromebook, Cubieboard, etc.) that supports
> ``VFPv3`` should work.
Wow -- congratulations!
se'
make much more sense for a parser API, as well has having the benefit of
long usage.
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are ANSI C. That defect rate would imply 4 open defects in Python itself.
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passwords for every site you visit.
Whether a given site chooses to authroize an
authenticated-but-otherwise-unknown user to do anything meaningful is
logically distinct.
+1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all *.python.org
servers.
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- - http://bornthiswayfoundation.org/
- - http://firebase.com/
- - https://orionhub.org/
- - http://ting.com/
- - http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
- - http://discourse.org/
- - https://dailycred.com/
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On 09/05/2013 04:33 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>> +1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all
>> *.python.org servers.
>
> Is there a Python implementation of Persona I
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US this year: Guido blessed the resulting spec.
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the wrong list" message
by responding substantively to the OP's query.
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kling semantics,
sublcassability, etc.) might be important, too.
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the owner/matintainer, anyway).
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> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 at 11:05 Tres Seaver
> wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1
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>> On 07/14/2016 11:47 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>
>
rg/devguide which is on a cronjob).
What is the RTD project name?
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ibrary authors have to straddle Python versions: consumers of
those libraries only get to pick and choose when their code is at the
"leaf" of the dependency tree (the application).
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ddling, too. ;)
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be immutable) already had the fuse smoldering. FWIW I
help maintain some *old* C extensions (fifteen+ years and counting), and
am as likely to be affected as anyone.
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the "Change
> language: [...]" list at:
>
> http://php.net/echo
>
> I'm not asking you to take any technical decision here, I'm just
> asking for an official general "support" of translated documentation.
+1 for the idea.
Tres.
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run their own local copy of bzr, using that self-compiled Python? Let's
not strain at gnats and swallow camels here.
Tres.
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chnage. He was trying to find out if *real* users of the bzr tree would
be hurt by the repository format upgrade, rather than hypothetical ones.
AFAICS, no real user (one already using bzr to work with the Python
tree) has objected.
Tres.
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ttp://bugs.python.org/issue5052 and the patch I
> worked on)
+1.
Tres.
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Tres Seaver wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Bill Janssen wrote:
>>> Josiah Carlson wrote:
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>>>> But yes, zope needs to be changed to reflect the updated
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Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>> How is anybody supposed to
>> write a package which sits atop a library like asyncore in a fashion
>> portable across Python versions? The changes
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