Re: [Python-Dev] Set the namespace free!

2010-07-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.07.2010 10:59, schrieb Anders Sandvig: > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: >> Yuck. Anyone who feels they need a variable named the same a reserved word >> simply feels wrong and needs reeducation. [...] > > While I agree with you in principle, I have been finding i

Re: [Python-Dev] New regex module for 3.2?

2010-07-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 22.07.2010 12:53, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Nevertheless, the authoritative reference for our regex engine is its >> docs, i.e. http://docs.python.org/library/re.html -- and that states >> clearly that inline fla

Re: [Python-Dev] :program: markup in .rst documentation

2010-07-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.07.2010 19:32, schrieb Fred Drake: > Switching to "python -m" is generally good where it applies (as in this case). > > The original intent for :option: and :program: were in their use as > references rather than in sample command lines. > > Georg should be the final arbiter, but I'd be in

Re: [Python-Dev] Thoughts fresh after EuroPython

2010-07-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.07.2010 23:03, schrieb Tarek Ziadé: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > >>> I think we need to improve this: it can be a very frustrating >>> experience to contribute to PyPI. >> >> I did not experience it this way. On the cont

Re: [Python-Dev] IDLE contributors and committers

2010-07-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.07.2010 04:22, schrieb Terry Reedy: > On 7/18/2010 7:42 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> That phrasing implies that there is purpose behind letting issues rot. >> Believe me that this is not the case. > > This seems like a good place to mention that doc issues have be

Re: [Python-Dev] Thoughts fresh after EuroPython

2010-07-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.07.2010 04:43, schrieb Terry Reedy: > On 7/26/2010 5:15 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> Sure PyPI is part of the ecosystem. But so are quite a lot of other tools, >> and none of them are tracked in bugs.python.org. (This is also the case >> for the website.) I'

Re: [Python-Dev] Thoughts fresh after EuroPython

2010-07-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.07.2010 12:49, schrieb Steve Holden: > On 7/27/2010 11:02 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:57:22 +0200 >> Georg Brandl wrote: >> >>> Am 27.07.2010 04:43, schrieb Terry Reedy: >>>> On 7/26/2010 5:15 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >

Re: [Python-Dev] Define a place for code review in Python workflow

2010-07-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.07.2010 10:54, schrieb David: > I'd welcome any patch submitted to Rietveld for review. However, your > > proposed "review.py" module does not exist as far as I know, and unless > someone writes it, it won't. > > > Haven't personally tested that it works with Rietveld due to l

[Python-Dev] pdb mini-sprint report and questions

2010-07-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, to warm up for tomorrow's 3.2alpha1 release, I did a mini-sprint on pdb issues today. I'm pleased to report that 14 issues could be closed, and pdb got a range of small new features, such as commands on the command line, "until " or "longlist" showing all the code for the current function (th

Re: [Python-Dev] pdb mini-sprint report and questions

2010-07-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 31.07.2010 01:01, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> to warm up for tomorrow's 3.2alpha1 release, I did a mini-sprint on >> pdb issues today. I'm pleased to report that 14 issues could be closed, >> and pdb go

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 1

2010-08-01 Thread Georg Brandl
r code and reporting any bugs you may notice to: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 1

2010-08-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Thanks, Benjamin! I'd also like to thank Martin and Ronald for the prompt binaries, and the folks of #python-dev for support. RMing was a pleasant experience so far. Georg Am 02.08.2010 05:01, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > Hey, Georg! Congrats on your first release! > > 2010/8/

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker status

2010-08-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.08.2010 19:05, schrieb Brian Curtin: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:58, R. David Murray Fixed. Apparently a line was dropped when applying a patch to > the tracker, but the mistake didn't surface until roundup > was restarted after the reboot. > > -- > R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 17:15, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: > On 02:51 pm, ba...@python.org wrote: >>On Aug 04, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>>I think the issue is that many core developers don't have the reflex >>>to check buildbot state after they commit some changes (or at least >>>on a

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 18:45, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: >>>How hard is it to look at a web page? >> >>The hard part is to know *when* to look. As you might have noticed, >>the >>Python test suite does not run in ten seconds, especially on some of >>the >>buildbots -- it can take 1-2 there to com

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 18:21, schrieb David Stanek: > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> >> The hard part is to know *when* to look. As you might have noticed, the >> Python test suite does not run in ten seconds, especially on some of the >> buildbots

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 17:53, schrieb Georg Brandl: > Am 04.08.2010 17:15, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: >> On 02:51 pm, ba...@python.org wrote: >>>On Aug 04, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>>>I think the issue is that many core developers don't have the

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 20:25, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Aug 04, 2010, at 01:56 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > >>But I see rules being established ("there's a language moratorium: no >>changes!", "no release should be made unless the buildbots are *all* >>green") and then ignored apparently on a whim. This does

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 19:56, schrieb Steve Holden: > This whole discussion seems to make it clear that the release manager > procedures are still ill-defined in certain areas. If you mean to imply that a release manager should care for the stability of "their" branch also in between of releases -- I'd lo

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.08.2010 01:26, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Aug 04, 2010, at 06:39 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > >>I'll see if I can get God to extend it for you. > > No need to involve the supernatural Steve! Just approve that PSF grant I > submitted so I can finish my (Python powered of course!) clone army.

Re: [Python-Dev] r84124 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/abc.rst Lib/abc.py Lib/test/test_abc.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 17.08.2010 02:52, schrieb benjamin.peterson: > Author: benjamin.peterson > Date: Tue Aug 17 02:52:52 2010 > New Revision: 84124 > > Log: > add support for abstract class and static methods #5867 > > Modified: >python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/abc.rst >python/branches/py3k/Lib/abc.py >

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Old link text in documentation

2010-08-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.08.2010 20:59, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > Am 18.08.2010 17:11, schrieb Michael Foord: >> Could (and should) the online Python 3.1 docs be updated to show Python >> 2.7 as stable? > > I think the answer is "no, it could not". > > How many old documentation sets would you want to go through

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r84190 - python/branches/release31-maint/Doc/library/stdtypes.rst

2010-08-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.08.2010 15:32, schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> The dev FAQ is clear about regular use, it tells about the >> svnmerge-commit-message too, and people in #python-dev have told me that >> the merge order is py3k > 3.1,

Re: [Python-Dev] r84229 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/codecs.rst Lib/encodings/aliases.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.08.2010 04:54, schrieb benjamin.peterson: > Author: benjamin.peterson > Date: Sat Aug 21 04:54:44 2010 > New Revision: 84229 > > Log: > alias macintosh to mac_roman #843590 > > Modified: >python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/codecs.rst >python/branches/py3k/Lib/encodings/aliases.py >

Re: [Python-Dev] r84229 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/codecs.rst Lib/encodings/aliases.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.08.2010 13:00, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: > Georg Brandl wrote: >> Am 21.08.2010 04:54, schrieb benjamin.peterson: >>> Author: benjamin.peterson >>> Date: Sat Aug 21 04:54:44 2010 >>> New Revision: 84229 >>> >>> Log: >>> alias

Re: [Python-Dev] Released: Python 2.6.6

2010-08-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.08.2010 17:32, schrieb Éric Araujo: >> The question really is whether there is any chance that they will get >> released, in some form. There won't be further binary releases (at least >> not from python.org), so there definitely won't be a CHM release. > > I think that the most important re

Re: [Python-Dev] r84388 - in python/branches/py3k/Doc: conf.py using/index.rst

2010-09-01 Thread Georg Brandl
That title isn't better though, since it doesn't cover the "using/cmdline" document which deals with command line options, environment variables and the like. I agree that "Using Python" is not very descriptive though. Georg Am 01.09.2010 10:57, schrieb raymond.hettinger: > Author: raymond.hetti

Re: [Python-Dev] r84388 - in python/branches/py3k/Doc: conf.py using/index.rst

2010-09-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.09.2010 23:43, schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> That title isn't better though, since it doesn't cover the "using/cmdline" >> document which deals with command line options, environment variables >> and t

Re: [Python-Dev] r84430 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/unicodeobject.h Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi Victor, 1. This function and PyUnicode_strcat are missing documentation. 2. Are you sure they need to be public APIs? What are they going to be used for? (I'm not sure myself, but I think we usually have a short notice here when new C APIs are added.) Georg Am 02.09.2010 01:43, schri

Re: [Python-Dev] r84430 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/unicodeobject.h Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.09.2010 01:26, schrieb Victor Stinner: > Hi, > > Le jeudi 02 septembre 2010 11:13:22, vous avez écrit : >> > 1. This function and PyUnicode_strcat are missing documentation. > > It's Py_UNICODE_strcat(), not PyUnicode_strcat(). But yes, > Py_UNICODE_strcat() > is not documented. But I did

[Python-Dev] PEP 3149 accepted

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
This is to let you all know that PEP 3149 is accepted. Benjamin and I decided that on the basis that * strong precedent is set with PEP 3147 * it is not mutually exclusive with PEP 384; should PEP 384 become widely accepted, its use can fade out again * it is a strictly optional feature Barry

Re: [Python-Dev] r84456 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/unicode.rst

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Please add a "versionadded" tag. Georg Am 03.09.2010 18:23, schrieb victor.stinner: > Author: victor.stinner > Date: Fri Sep 3 18:23:29 2010 > New Revision: 84456 > > Log: > Document PyUnicode_AsUnicodeCopy() > > > Modified: >python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/unicode.rst > > Modified: pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] r84430 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/unicodeobject.h Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.09.2010 18:24, schrieb Victor Stinner: >> Other than that, ok, let's have them. > > Ok. > > r84455 renames PyUnicode_strdup() to PyUnicode_AsUnicodeCopy(), and r84456 > document it: > > -- > ... cfunction:: Py_UNICODE* PyUnicode_AsUnicodeCopy(PyObject *unicode) > >Create a co

Re: [Python-Dev] C API doc question

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.09.2010 13:44, schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc > wrote: >> 2010/9/3 Nick Coghlan : >>> Due to the Unicode API discussion, I happened to be looking at the C >>> API docs at http://docs.python.org/dev/c-api/unicode.html#plain-py-unicode >>> and not

[Python-Dev] 3.2 "What's New"

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, I'm not sure what the arrangement for the What's New in Python 3.2 document is; especially if either Andrew or Raymond still feel in charge for it. For this weekend's 3.2a2, it would be rather nice to have some more coverage of changes in the document, since it is the main thing people will l

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.2 "What's New"

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.09.2010 01:40, schrieb Victor Stinner: > Le samedi 04 septembre 2010 00:52:38, Georg Brandl a écrit : >> For this weekend's 3.2a2, it would be rather nice to have some more >> coverage of changes in the document, since it is the main thing people >> will look at w

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.2 "What's New"

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.09.2010 01:26, schrieb Raymond Hettinger: > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm not sure what the arrangement for the What's New in Python 3.2 document >> is; especially if either Andrew or Raymond still feel in

Re: [Python-Dev] new LRU cache API in Py3.2

2010-09-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.09.2010 12:06, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:42:08 +0200 > Éric Araujo wrote: >> > What about adding an intermediate namespace called "cache", so that the >> > new >> > operations are available like this: >> > >> > print get_phone_number.cache.hits >> > get_ph

Re: [Python-Dev] r84513 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/whatsnew/3.2.rst

2010-09-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.09.2010 13:18, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 02:27:25 +0200 (CEST) > raymond.hettinger wrote: >> + >> +The common directory is "pyshared" and the file names are made distinct by >> +identifying the Python implementation (such as CPython, PyPy, Jython, >> etc.), the >> +major

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3149 thoughts

2010-09-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.09.2010 19:22, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > I know the PEP is accepted, but I would still like to see some > changes/clarifications. > > 1. What is the effect of this PEP on Windows? Is this a Linux-only >feature? If not, who is going to provide the changes for Windows? >(More specif

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 2

2010-09-06 Thread Georg Brandl
python.org/3.2/ Please consider trying Python 3.2 with your code and reporting any bugs you may notice to: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [Python-Dev] Write access to hg.python.org

2010-09-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 07.09.2010 09:21, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 01:04, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> What is needed in order to have write (i.e. push) access to the >> hg.python.org repositories? >> What are the URLs (for example for the "benchmarks" repository)? > > IIRC you just need to have

Re: [Python-Dev] Write access to hg.python.org

2010-09-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 07.09.2010 10:29, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:11, Georg Brandl wrote: >> To be a bit more precise, having a public key on file for SVN commits is >> enough, > > Not exactly, hg uses a separate keystore, so it might not have some of > the newer

[Python-Dev] Garbage announcement printed on interpreter shutdown

2010-09-10 Thread Georg Brandl
Hey #python-dev, I'd like to ask your opinion on this change; I think it should be reverted or at least made silent by default. Basically, it prints a warning like gc: 2 uncollectable objects at shutdown: Use gc.set_debug(gc.DEBUG_UNCOLLECTABLE) to list them. at interpreter shut

Re: [Python-Dev] terminology for "free variables" in Python

2010-09-10 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 10.09.2010 14:41, schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote: >> Nick, did you know that dis.show_code is neither exported by default from >> the dis module, nor it's documented in its help() or .rst documentation? >> Neither is code_info(), which is used by sh

Re: [Python-Dev] r84744 - python/branches/py3k/Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-12 Thread Georg Brandl
Victor changed this from "return NULL" to "goto fail" in r84730, claiming that it would fix a reference leak. Is the leak somewhere else then? Georg Am 12.09.2010 18:40, schrieb benjamin.peterson: > Author: benjamin.peterson > Date: Sun Sep 12 18:40:53 2010 > New Revision: 84744 > > Log: > use

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.x as the official release

2010-09-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 15.09.2010 20:32, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >>Given that wsgiref is in the stdlib, I think we should hold up the 3.2 >>release (and even the first beta) until this is resolved, unless we >>can convince ourselves that it's okay to delete wsgi

Re: [Python-Dev] r84771 - python/branches/release27-maint/Lib/test/test_io.py

2010-09-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Maybe you want to mention *who* warns? Georg Am 13.09.2010 10:20, schrieb florent.xicluna: > Author: florent.xicluna > Date: Mon Sep 13 10:20:19 2010 > New Revision: 84771 > > Log: > Silence warning about 1/0 > > Modified: >python/branches/release27-maint/Lib/test/test_io.py > > Modified:

Re: [Python-Dev] r84847 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/re.rst

2010-09-16 Thread Georg Brandl
That reminds me of the undocumented re.Scanner -- which is meant to do exactly this. Wouldn't it be about time to document or remove it? Georg Am 16.09.2010 14:02, schrieb raymond.hettinger: > Author: raymond.hettinger > Date: Thu Sep 16 14:02:17 2010 > New Revision: 84847 > > Log: > Add tokeni

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r84858 - in python/branches: py3k/Doc/library/logging.rst release27-maint/Doc/library/logging.rst

2010-09-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.09.2010 01:42, schrieb Éric Araujo: > Hello > > + NOTE: If you are thinking of defining your own levels, please see > the section > + on :ref:`custom-levels`. > > I think those instances of upper-case-as-markup should either be real > reST note/warning/etc. directives or plain English (

Re: [Python-Dev] r84931 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/symtable.h Misc/NEWS Python/ast.c Python/compile.c Python/future.c Python/symtable.c

2010-09-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.09.2010 01:02, schrieb benjamin.peterson: > Author: benjamin.peterson > Date: Tue Sep 21 01:02:10 2010 > New Revision: 84931 > > Log: > add column offset to all syntax errors > Modified: python/branches/py3k/Misc/NEWS >

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker BD Was:Goodbye

2010-09-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 07:32, schrieb Jack Diederich: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger > wrote: >> >> On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:24 PM, R. David Murray wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:18:35 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >>> deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same ide

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-22 Thread Georg Brandl
That's right. It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or Misc/maintainers.rst. Of course, we might consider a separate HG repository (I'm all in favor of many small repos, instead of a giga

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 04:35, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: > On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:18:39 am Tim Peters wrote: >> Yikes - Mark has done terrific work in some very demanding areas, & >> I'd hate to see him feel unwelcome. So that's my advice: find a >> way to smooth this over. You're welcome ;-) > > I'd like

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 09:18, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >>> deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same idea about how >>> to handle the various fields and processes. Who decides in cases of >>> disagreement? >> >> We discussed this a while back and I don't think we really have a tracker >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:35, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > >>-1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. > > Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. > I'm sure you don't think the Python wiki is useless,

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:47, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> >>>-1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. >> >> Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and c

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:41, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Sep 23, 2010, at 09:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > >>Are any of our docs subject to release schedules? > > I guess what I'm concerned about is this scenario: > > You're a developer who has the source code to Python 3.1. You read the > in-tree d

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 19:22, schrieb Terry Reedy: >> Asking every now and then "is this still an issue", or setting >> the version number, doesn't really advance the issue. > > Numerous issues have been advanced by the questions I and Mark have > asked. Some were legitimately closed as out of date (the b

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 22:51, schrieb Éric Araujo: > Le 23/09/2010 19:22, Terry Reedy a écrit : >> As of just now, if you were to wonder "What (security) bugs are open for >> 2.5" and search on open 2.5 issues, you would get a list of 44 issues. >> It is only 44 instead of hundreds because of the work I a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir >> has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme >> more visually appealing. What

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Is it me, or is the "open" and "closed" count confusing to anyone else? I.e., shouldn't the "total" delta equal the sum of the "open" delta and the "closed" delta? Georg Am 24.09.2010 20:00, schrieb Brett Cannon: > I think every week where more bugs are closed than opened should be > celebrated!

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
eb Brett Cannon: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:57, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Is it me, or is the "open" and "closed" count confusing to anyone else? >> I.e., shouldn't the "total" delta equal the sum of the "open" delta and >> the &quo

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 03:45, schrieb Brett Cannon: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 13:04, Georg Brandl wrote: >> So by opening and closing a bug 5 times within a week, the "open" and >> "close" counters both go up by 5? That would be stupid. > > No, as in a bug was

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 14:10, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >>> Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't >>> care enough to bother. =) >> >> I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit >> of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb anatoly techtonik: > Hi, > > I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in > Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? > > My user story: > I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one > package. > Each m

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb David Stanek: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> >> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org >> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, >> my vision that it should be instea

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy: > On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit >> of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs >> at the end o

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Paul Boddie: > Georg Brandl wrote: >> Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik: >> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? >> >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 23:41, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > >> I guess a better example would be >> >> old: >> open #1 #2 >> closed #3 >> new: >> open #1 >> closed #2 #3 #4 #5 >> >> which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed >> (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), h

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 23:43, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing contributors immedi

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython >> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). > > But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. Why -- they can be redirected easi

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 14:59, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan: >> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" >> wrote: >>> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. >> >> Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a chang

Re: [Python-Dev] hg conversion: tags

2010-09-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 12:55, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > Hi all, > > I've recently been working on the conversion more (since my thesis got > finished). I finally wrote the script that splits the release branches > from the feature branches, so that we can include the former in the > main repository and ke

Re: [Python-Dev] r85028 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/c-api/init.rst Include/pythonrun.h Modules/getpath.c PC/getpathp.c

2010-09-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.09.2010 07:32, schrieb kristjan.jonsson: > Author: kristjan.jonsson > Date: Mon Sep 27 07:32:54 2010 > New Revision: 85028 > > Log: > issue 9910 > Add a Py_SetPath api to override magic path computations when starting up > python. > > Modified: >python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/init.rst

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.09.2010 22:33, schrieb P.J. Eby: > At 12:36 PM 9/27/2010 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: >>All fixed. > > Nope. I mean, sure, I checked in fixed PEP sources several hours > ago, but python.org still doesn't show PEP , or the updated > version of PEP 333. It does now, for me, so I assume s

Re: [Python-Dev] Atlassian and bitbucket merge

2010-09-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.09.2010 09:03, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 03:13, Steve Holden wrote: >> I see that Atlassian have just taken over BitBucket, the Mercurial >> hosting company. IIRC Atlassian offered to host our issue tracking on >> JIRA, but in the end we decided to eat our own dog fo

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.09.2010 20:49, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > Unfortunately taking the average patch posted to the tracker and > importing it in Rietveld is very iffy -- it's very hard to find the > right branch+rev needed to be able to apply the patch correctly -- not > to mention that there are so many (slig

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs rebuild

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.10.2010 03:13, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > > Hello, > > It seems the py3k docs (both dev and 3.1) haven't been rebuilt for a few > days. Is there anything that needs to be done to trigger rebuilding? Yes, I noticed it in my cronjob email. It seems latex has a problem with c-api.tex; I'll ha

Re: [Python-Dev] Celebrating issue #10000

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.10.2010 01:50, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > Amaury just filed issue #1 yesterday; as counting started > with 1000, we are now into 9000 roundup issues. So, nitpickly, it would be 9001. But of course, we're already at 10003 anyway :) > I have become quite fond of roundup over the years,

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 30.09.2010 10:22, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 20:32, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> I would like to recommend that the Python core developers start using >> a code review tool such as Rietveld or Reviewboard. I don't really >> care which tool we use (I'm sure there are plenty

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 9807 - a glitch in coexisting builds of different types

2010-10-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 02.10.2010 00:06, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > Let's say I build the foo module, which has an _foo extension for both the > 3.2m and 3.2dmu builds. Everything gets installed correctly, and you'll see: > > lib/python3.2/site-packages/foo-...egg/_foo.cpython-32m.so > lib/python3.2/site-packa

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 09:05, schrieb Tarek Ziadé: > Hello, > > In the Distutils2 project, we'll have quite a few scripts that can be > called via -m > > $ python -m distutils2.depgraph : shows a dependency graph > $ python -m distutils2.install : installs a project > $ python -m distutils2.run command :

Re: [Python-Dev] Another relative imports question

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 10:50, schrieb Chris Withers: > Hi All, > > The new explicit relative import syntax is great. > I wanted to relatively import a module. > > import .mymoduleinmypackage > > and got a SyntaxError in Python 2.6. > > I guess I need to do: > > from . import mymoduleinmypackage >

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 14:02, schrieb Fred Drake: > Georg: >> What happened to "python setup.py action"? Or is this a step towards >> not requiring setup.py at all? > > I'm in favor of add a top-level setup module that can be invoked using > "python -m setup ...". There will be three cases: > > - d2 pr

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 16:26, schrieb Barry Warsaw: >>- query pypi >>- browse what's installed >>- install/remove projects >>- create releases and upload them >> >>pkg_manager ? > > No underscores, please. :) > > Actually, a decent wrapper script could just be called 'setup'. My > command-not-found on U

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 3

2010-10-12 Thread Georg Brandl
http://docs.python.org/3.2/ Please consider trying Python 3.2 with your code and reporting any bugs you may notice to: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors) -BEGI

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 13.10.2010 22:55, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > I have appointed Antoine Pitrou as the authority/manager > for which build slave are considered stable. If you want > to get a certain slave elevated or demoted, you have to > convince him. > > I would also like to ask release managers to take the

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 14.10.2010 18:55, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:07:46 +0200 > Georg Brandl wrote: >> >> Very nice. http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ is completely >> green at the moment -- which means that I can now indeed take failures >> seriou

Re: [Python-Dev] r85559 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/sys.rst Lib/distutils/command/build_ext.py Lib/distutils/tests/test_build_ext.py Lib/test/test_sys.py Makefile.pre.in Misc/python-config.

2010-10-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.10.2010 03:04, schrieb barry.warsaw: > Author: barry.warsaw > Date: Sat Oct 16 03:04:07 2010 > New Revision: 85559 > > Log: > First (uncontroversial) part of issue 9807. > > * Expose the build flags to Python as sys.abiflags > * Shared library libpythonX.Y.so > * python-config --abiflags >

Re: [Python-Dev] About resolution “accepted” on the tracker

2010-10-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Oct 18, 2010, at 04:04 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: > >>Raymond Hettinger noticed on the tracker that there are different >>interpretations of the “accepted” resolution: >> >>> Traditionally it denotes an approved patch, not a agreement that the >>> bug is

Re: [Python-Dev] About resolution “accepted” on the tracker

2010-10-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.10.2010 21:04, schrieb Michael Foord: > On 18/10/2010 19:18, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Am 18.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Barry Warsaw: >>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 04:04 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: >>> >>>> Raymond Hettinger noticed on the tracker that there ar

Re: [Python-Dev] About resolution “accepted” on the tracker

2010-10-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.10.2010 21:28, schrieb Michael Foord: > On 18/10/2010 20:24, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Am 18.10.2010 21:04, schrieb Michael Foord: >>>On 18/10/2010 19:18, Georg Brandl wrote: >>>> Am 18.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Barry Warsaw: >>>>> On

Re: [Python-Dev] My work on Python3 and non-ascii paths is done

2010-10-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.10.2010 16:12, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Oct 19, 2010, at 03:53 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > >>Seven months after my first commit related to this issue, the full test suite >>of Python 3.2 pass with ASCII, ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8 locale encodings in a non- >>ascii source directory. It means th

Re: [Python-Dev] r85724 - in python/branches/py3k: Lib/logging/__init__.py Misc/NEWS

2010-10-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.10.2010 17:26, schrieb vinay.sajip: > Author: vinay.sajip > Date: Tue Oct 19 17:26:24 2010 > New Revision: 85724 > > Log: > logging: Added _logRecordClass, getLogRecordClass, setLogRecordClass to > increase flexibility of LogRecord creation. Will this be documented? Georg -- Thus spake

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 release schedule

2010-10-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 22.10.2010 09:36, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 00:57, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> In the interest of getting 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 out by next year, here's a >> tentative release schedule: >> >> November 13th - RC1 >> November 27th - RC2 >> December 11th - Final > > The last on

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 release schedule

2010-10-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 22.10.2010 11:41, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:06, Georg Brandl wrote: >> If everything goes as planned, there won't be many commits between RC2 and >> final, so it should be fine. The svn repos won't be removed anyway, so >> maki

Re: [Python-Dev] Exposing pkguitl's import emulation (was Re: [Python-checkins] r85538 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/pkgutil.rst)

2010-10-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.10.2010 17:24, schrieb P.J. Eby: > At 08:03 AM 10/18/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>I'm a little dubious about exposing these officially. They're mainly a >>hack to get some parts of the standard library working (e.g. runpy) in >>the absence of full PEP 302 support in the imp module, not r

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug week-end on the 20th-21st?

2010-10-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.10.2010 19:08, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > > Hello, > > The first 3.2 beta is scheduled by Georg for November 13th. > What would you think of scheduling a bug week-end one week later, that > is on November 20th and 21st? We would need enough core developers to > be available on #python-dev.

Re: [Python-Dev] r85838 - python/branches/py3k/.gitignore

2010-10-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.10.2010 19:37, schrieb victor.stinner: > Author: victor.stinner > Date: Mon Oct 25 19:37:18 2010 > New Revision: 85838 > > Log: > update gitignore > > Added: >python/branches/py3k/.gitignore This looks more like "Add gitignore". Do we really want to check in ignore files for every pos

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