e; they are
a failure of ergonomic design. Leaving off a flag should usually be like
setting it to False. A missing flag is an "off" flag.
For these reasons (and others I have not yet thought through:-) I am voting for
a:
followlinks=False
optional parameter.
If you want to fol
cares to pay attention. It
is a workable situation.
Oh, and I reject Nick's characterisation of POSIX as "broken". It's perfectly
internally consistent. It just doesn't match what he wants. (Indeed, what I
want, and I'm a long time UNIX f
On 21Aug2014 09:20, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Le 21/08/2014 00:52, Cameron Simpson a écrit :
The "bytes in some arbitrary encoding where at least the slash character
(and
maybe a couple others) is ascii compatible" notion is completely bogus.
There's only one special byte, the
ss to this old OS.
As a negative data point, my GF runs Snow Leopard by choice and will not
upgrade that machine; we've both got Mavericks laptops and there are major
regressions in the UI and OS behaviour (Apple UI and apps, not Python). I would
imagine she's not alone in resistin
al
horror and the answer is "Are you crazy? Zero! Z-E-R-O!!"
And of course most want to write code, not sysadm.
I do both. Happy to help in a small way if wanted.
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Maintainer's Motto: If we can't fix it, it ain't broke.
__
its `shell` argument default to
False. However, `os.system` invokes the shell implicitly and is
therefore a possible attack vector.
Only if /bin/sh is bash :-) Not always the case, fortunately.
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Death is life's way of telling you you've be
outside your system deliver bash-exploit strings to
bash scripts.
Your cable/adsl modem? Probably an embedded Linux box, possibly using bash, and
certainly a dhcp client of the ISP. Better still, for many people that same
comprimisable modem is the DHCP _server_ for their home LAN...
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On 25Sep2014 21:30, Tres Seaver wrote:
On 09/25/2014 08:59 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Your cable/adsl modem? Probably an embedded Linux box, possibly using
bash, and certainly a dhcp client of the ISP. Better still, for many
people that same comprimisable modem is the DHCP _server_ for their
ism.
IIRC you could export functions in ksh. Or maybe only aliases. But that implies
most POSIX shells may support it.
I've never seen the point myself; it is not a feature I've ever needed.
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Follow! But! Follow only if ye be men of valor, for the entran
have unwanted (and invisible until breakage becomes
glaring) side effects.
-1 on this element from me I'm afraid.
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I couldn't think of anything else to do with it, so I put it on the web.
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Can't say if they're more common in terms of hard data though. But if most
browsers expect them, arguably we should recognise their existence.
Usual disclaimer: I am not a python-dev.
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The nice t
urce as before and see what it says (configure, make, etc)
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e supplier's repositories. Having a walled
off "core" admin python as well seems very prudent.
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conclude that this language as a tool is an open invitation for clever
tricks; and while exactly this may be the explanation for some of its appeal,
/viz./ to tho
as a data point, this cropped up on the Fedora list yesterday:
I broke Yum (by messing with Python libs)
http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-users/msg458069.html
TL;DR: OP used pip on his system python. Yum broke. Probably hampered his
attempts to repair, too.
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ught a non-standalone venv arranged sys.path to fall back to the
source interpreter. Clearly I have not paid attention.
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Yes, sometimes Perl looks like line-noise to the uninitiated, but to the
seasoned Perl programmer, it looks like checksummed line-noise with a missi
you need a Sender: (though it wouldn't hurt), given that the From:
is already a "system" like address (""Terry Reedy " as a mailing list would do.
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Gmail dumps patch review email in
d to debug, because
(a) recognising the salient error situation may be hard to do and (b) reasoning
about the failure is difficult when the language semantics are not what you
thought they were.
I think the two situations are not as parallel as you think.
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e like that but I've certainly seen it
advocated.
I think the rationale was that it places the comparison value foremost in one's
mind, versus the name being tested. I'm not persuaded, but it is another
subjective situation.
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ffs and other product
failures in video form. While a phonetic play on the name "YouTube", the
abbreviation also colloquially means just what you think it might. I can just
imagine reciting one of these new strings out loud...
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People shouldn't be allow
On 11Aug2015 18:07, Greg Ewing wrote:
Cameron Simpson wrote:
To illustrate, there's a consumer rights TV snow here with a segment
called "F.U. Tube", where members of the public describe ripoffs and
other product failures in video form. While a phonetic play on the
name
ed source of
crypto bytes, yield encrypted versions of the bytes objects.
'''
for bs in byteses:
cbs = crypto_source.next_bytes(len(bs))
yield bs ^ cbs
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of course the Python dates to the time of the release.
I install a current Python 2.7 into /usr/local on many RHEL boxes
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exception escapes to the outside for reporting,
if the reporting raises an exception (especially an "expectable"
one like unicode coding/decoding errors), the reporting should have
at least a layer of "ouch, report failed, try something uglier but
more conservative". At least you
On 03Dec2013 08:25, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> I would be rather worried about some accidental Trojen running that way.
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A unit of documentation. There are always three or more on a given item.
One is on
, bytes):
yield thing
else:
yield str(thing).encode('ascii')
Then one's embedding in PDF might become, more readably:
data = b' '.join( bytify( [ 10, 0, obj, binary_image_data, ... ] ) )
Of course, bytify might be augmented with whatever encoding fac
On 11Jan2014 13:15, Juraj Sukop wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > data = b' '.join( bytify( [ 10, 0, obj, binary_image_data, ... ] ) )
>
> Thanks for the suggestion! The problem with "bytify" is that some items
> might r
#x27;t even need a special mode, but have it raise a ValueError
if the (default) encoding is None when an encoding became needed.
Just my 2c on Brett's EIBTI vs PBP divide. I'll try to stay off
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CIIStructuredBytes
> > ====
Possible alternate title:
Common use case: bytes containing text sequences, especially ASCII
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ms.
Morally, this is the same as mojibake.
Therefore I am firmly in the "fail loudly" camp: if the format
string doesn't behave as you naively expected it to, find out early
while you can easily fix it.
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Otherwise I think the PEP is clear and reasonable.
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On 23Feb2014 16:31, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On 23 February 2014 13:47, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > On 22Feb2014 17:56, Ethan Furman wrote:
> >> Please let me know if anything else needs tweaking.
> >> [...]
> >> This area of programming is characterized by a m
a byte.
> (You forgot "/U" representation (it's an antislah, but I don't
> see the key on my Mac keyboard?).)
My Mac has one above the "return" key. Um, non-English locale? Curious.
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16 October. I also asked Anthea how many
inary log. The classic example that
comes to mind is syslog packets.
I agree %a invites data mangling.
One would hope it doesn't see use in wire protocols, only in debugging
scenarios. Regrettably, syslog is such a binary logging protocol,
purportedly for "text".
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ustification. But conversely, I'm dead against bringing forward
version 4.0 just to break the expectation of breakage.
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furthermore, if you do not like any of them, you can just wait for nex
ython 3 mapping
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Me too. I'm against iteritems and friends coming back.
I've been burned in the past with the burden of writing a mapping class with
the many methods such a thing must support; both i
n whatever special mode/code is wanted.
More context on the example patch that triggered this query?
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ser (yes the
game may already be overin that case for other reasons).
However, I wanted to make the point that the security issue isn't around
creation but use - trusting the mktemp pathname to be the same state as
it was earlier.
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m the -m module itself, I don't think there should be any other
direct effect on circular imports.
Did you have a specific scenario in mind?
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On 24Mar2019 23:22, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 3/24/2019 10:01 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
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Did you have a specific scenario in mind?
I was thinking about IDLE and its tangled web of circular inports,
but I am now convinced that this change will not affect
On 25Mar2019 03:52, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 3/25/2019 12:27 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I was thinking about IDLE and its tangled web of circular inports,
but I am now convinced that this change will not affect it. Indeed,
idlelib/pyshell.py already implements idea of the proposal, ending
with
x27;t show, if it is erratic (can't see why it would
be though).
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the test tar file? If that works then you don't need any nasty
privileged sudo use (which will just break on platforms without sudo
anyway).
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On 01Apr2019 15:44, Steve Dower wrote:
On 01Apr2019 1535, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 01Apr2019 09:12, Steve Dower wrote:
On 30Mar2019 1130, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
I wouldn't expect it to be the case in a CI environment but I
believe a umask can be overridden if the filesystem is mo
be part of the MRO
of a subclass).
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argument is of a signed type equivalent in size to a size_t.
I know this is only one data point of many.
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>>> def f(x):
... try:
... 1/0
... except Exception as x:
... pass
... return x
...
>>> f(3)
Traceback
ckets) while shadows an earlier variable, and on exiting the scrope
the common "err" variable is False again, indicating no error. Really
irritating.
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namespace where names need to be different to
avoid conflicts such as package names or DNS domain names, but similar
scenarios ("I'm doing development") applied to different aspects of a
Python environment. Of course it is natural to use
ented to raise
>[Base]ExceptionGroup (such as a future variant of asyncio.gather()), you
>don't have to care about it. [...] that's why I am proposing to change the PEP
>so that your
>code will remain safe.
That would be welcome to me, too.
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y ExceptionGroup would remain with the unhandled errors, and it
might perhaps be reraised then.
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the opinion that ExceptionGroups should look
like containers, be iterable, be truthy/falsey based on empty/nonempty
and that .split and .subgroup should return empty subgroups instead of
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different.
I certainly do not want ExceptionGroup([AttributeError]) conflated with
AttributeError. That fills me with horror.
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On 28Feb2021 23:56, Irit Katriel wrote:
>If you go long, I go longer :)
:-)
>On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 10:51 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> On 28Feb2021 10:40, Irit Katriel wrote:
>> >split() and subgroup() take care to preserve the correct metadata on
>> >all
>
On 28Feb2021 20:05, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>I'm trying to shorten this again...
>
>On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 5:54 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> Let's turn this on its head:
>> - what specific harm comes from giving EGs container truthiness for
>> size
>&g
our - I don't oppose being
_able_ to put "." in sys.path (though I think a concrete absolute path
is a saner choice).
So for Bernat and Larry: not systems where "." doesn't mean the working
directory, but definitely in situations where you want a more secure
lo
, and yet not act like an int in all ways.
If I go int(x), I personally want a real int out the end of it.
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A: A psychotic doesn't believe that 2 + 2 = 4. A neurotic knows it's true,
but
y as phrased in the
import).
| Another would be
| to always require an 'as' clause in this case, so that you
| would have to write'
|import .foo as foo
And a big +1 for this.
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The Force. It surrounds us; It enfolds us; It gets us dates on Sa
icy), and pathlib which offers some
facilities related to that kind of thing. But a mismatch between
what you actually need to do and what pathlib offers.
Fixing your problem isn't necessarily a bugfix for pathlib.
I think we need to know the wider context.
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I had a *bad*
On 11Apr2013 16:23, Guido van Rossum wrote:
| On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
| > On 11Apr2013 14:11, Guido van Rossum wrote:
| > | Some of my Dropbox colleagues just drew my attention to the occurrence
| > | of case folding in pathlib.py. Basically, case fold
On 28Apr2013 19:46, Ethan Furman wrote:
| int, float, and bool all have object constructors that take the
| given string and return a matching instance; int /may/ return a
| pre-existing instance, bool /will/ return a pre-existing instance.
I think Guido's already pointed out this:
>>> bool('F
roken on this platform) exposing only the portable
stuff.
At least you can detect "I don't know what to do" rather than
ploughing on mistakenly.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth
wh
n of the common stuff.
- The implementation cost is low; the ref implementation already exists!
Getting rid of it seems mad. Pruning/fixing/adapting the nonportable
bits might be good. Christian Heimes' test patch would make that
much easier to identify.
So, -1 on removal of stat.py.
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after the call.
This is not addressed.
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f close-on-exec on the fds in the parent could
in principle comprimise the exec in the child if done too soon
If you decide state should get restored, the implementation gets a
bit fiddlier to detect the exec() in the child. I can't speak for
what might be required on non-UNIX.
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On 05Jul2013 08:24, Victor Stinner wrote:
| 2013/7/5 Cameron Simpson :
| > You might want to make clear that the "blocking" parameter refers
| > only to the file creation calls (eg socket.socket) and not to the
| > file descriptor itself, and is not to be confused with the
On 05Jul2013 19:03, Victor Stinner wrote:
| 2013/7/5 Cameron Simpson :
| > | Both set O_NONBLOCK flag (UNIX)
| >
| > Oh, how embarassing.
|
| You said that the PEP is not cristal clear. Do you have a suggestion
| to make it more clear?
|
| Should I mention that the close-on-exe
On 06Jul2013 14:43, Victor Stinner wrote:
| 2013/7/6 Cameron Simpson :
| > Yes. Please forget I mentioned fork(); it is only relevant if you
| > were offering some facility to undo the addition of cloexec to a
| > Popen passed file descriptor. Which you are not.
|
| Oh... gotc
s, serial devices, ...
And you can set it on anything. Just because some things don't block
anyway isn't really a counter argument.
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Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take
into account Hofstadter's Law.
-
PEP?
| http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0446/
| (will be updated in a few minutes)
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That is what I would presume; I'd expect the code to be littered
with docstrings anyway, but the module as a whole is not presented
in the documentation and so should be private and not relied upon.
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On 25Jul2013 00:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
| On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:25:50 -0700
| Guido van Rossum wrote:
| > >> To reduce the need for 3rd party subprocess creation code, we should
| > >> have better daemon creation code in the stdlib -- I wrote some damn
| > >> robust code for this purpose in my
daemons have a umask of 0
to be utterly bogus, because almost all library code relies on the
umask to set default security policy for initial file permissions.
Prone to rant on this at length if required...
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Cordless hoses have been around for quite some ti
.
It doesn't say it outright, but as an outsider that is definitely
what I would at first infer.
So: a small +0.1 for "Cannot propagate exception..."
And: a big +2 for "Exception in __del__ caught and not propagated:".
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g from the root languages,
versus a native speaker basing things entirely on memory.
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is
somewhat evocative though clearly not perfect for everyone, and
move on?
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Question of no importance. The Great Guru replied in words which the Junior
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thon.org/issue16938
I'd make this two sentences. Just turn the semicolon into a full
stop, and commence "This is useful when".
I had trouble with the end. How about:
or it is not in __class__.__dict__
Do I misunderstand?
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Trust the computer... the co
uot; notion here.
I was going to digress about "<" vs "in". For sets, "<" means subset and
"in" means "element in set". That isn't exactly parallel to flags. What
if "SomeFlag.nothing < SomeFlag.something" meant a subset t
On 08Nov2021 23:32, MRAB wrote:
>On 2021-11-08 22:10, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>>{} in {1:'a', 'b':2] <-- TypeError because of hashability
>>>set() in {1, 2, 'a', 'b'} <-- ditto
>>>[] in ['a', 'b
bg(), the chosen queuing system ...
or whatever other queuing system you might be using. The idea here is to
make it easy to submit a function to any of several things rather than
decorating the function itself to submit to a now-hardwired thing.
Just things t
result-after-this-function-is-called-like-this/14680/15
but have not got to submitting a bug report.
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- they're bogus
- they can be fixed (I'll submit a bug report, someone told me how to do
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>Cameron Simpson writes:
> > Discourse does not do `In-Reply-To:` very well at all. Here's some
> > headers from the _second_ post in the "Core dev sprint this year"
> > thread:
> >
> > Message-ID
y option is to be subscribed to a firehose of stuff I don't
>care about, I'm going to disable mailing list mode and if python-dev dies, I'll
>pretty much quit following Python's development.
As mentioned, mailing list mode seems to be the firehose. The other
"Emails&qu
On 21Jul2022 17:46, Christopher Barker wrote:
>OT:
>Does anyone else find it very odd to call a communication system
>“discord”?
I think it is a refreshing level of honesty about what live chat is
like. As in "discordant".
Chee
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is the good work of Martin Brennan: https://meta.discourse.org/u/martin
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nontopologically ordered grouping a few days ago.
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choosing to mmap a file and calling .update() on the mapping in one go.
That said, that's (a) niche and (b) not even written yet.
I think I'd still agree that this might be a nonurgent fix (haven't read
the CVE properly y
l folder.
Same for the matplotlib forum etc.
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subscribing the mailman list to the Discourse forum. Letting
_nonDiscourse_ users reply or post to Discourse is not trivial.
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screenshot (which we actively discourage for code snippets) and
occasional other rare situations.
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I stopped using Python 3 after learning about str(bytes) by finding it
in
my corrupted database. [...]
Could you outline how this happened to you?
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> I stopped using Python 3 after learning about str(bytes) by finding it
> in
> my corrupted database. [...]
Could you outline
ht just need to find them. I know
I've written such a thing for myself:
https://pypi.org/project/cs.csvutils/
I entirely agree this would be easier to find and use in the stdlib. And
mine is probably overfeatured and underclean for use in the stdlib.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
xplicitly in favour of returning self if unchanged.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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