Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/5/07, Giovanni Bajo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 05/03/2007 19.46, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > > At PyCon, there was general agreement that exposing a read-only > > Bazaar/Mercurial/git/whatever version of the repository wouldn't be > > too much effort, and might make things easier for externa

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 364, Transitioning to the Py3K standard library

2007-03-06 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/6/07, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Here's a new PEP that's the outgrowth of work Brett Cannon and I did > at PyCon. Basically we were looking for a way to allow for forward > compatibilit

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 364, Transitioning to the Py3K standard library

2007-03-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/6/07, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> Supported Renamings > >> === > >> > >> There are at least 4 use cases explicitly supported by this PEP: > >> > >> - - Simple top-level package name renamings, such as ``String

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/7/07, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:10:22AM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > -> Giovanni Bajo schrieb: > -> > On 06/03/2007 10.52, Martin v. L?wis wrote: > -> > > -> >> I can't see that the barrier at contributing is high. > -> > > -> > I think this says

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 364, Transitioning to the Py3K standard library

2007-03-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/7/07, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > >> >> Third party package renaming is also supported, via several public > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 364, Transitioning to the Py3K standard library

2007-03-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/7/07, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:39 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > >> I think it's important to import on demand only though. > > > > And I agree. > > C

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving test_unittest up in the test order

2007-03-08 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/8/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that unittest has a test suite, it would seem to make sense that > it should be fairly high up in the testing order, since most of the > regression suite depends on it. I'd like to have it included with > test_grammar, test_opcodes, test_ope

Re: [Python-Dev] Introduction

2007-03-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/9/07, Žiga Seilnacht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all! > > I have just accepted an invitation to become a Python > developer, so I feel obliged to introduce myself. > > My name is Žiga Seilnacht. I'm currently studying civil > engineering at the University of Ljubljana, Slovenia. > Welcome

Re: [Python-Dev] datetime module enhancements

2007-03-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/9/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the subject of datetime enhancements, I came across an SF patch > (#1673403) the other day that proposed making it possible to compare > date and datetime objects. Quoting from the patch summary: > > """ > Comparing a date to a datetime curre

Re: [Python-Dev] datetime module enhancements

2007-03-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/9/07, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Collin Winter schrieb: > > I can't say I'm well-versed in the intricacies of date/time issues, > > but what you say makes sense. This is exactly why I brought this patch > > up here : ) > > Oh h...! Seems like I've opened a can of worms here.

Re: [Python-Dev] datetime module enhancements

2007-03-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/9/07, André Malo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On 3/9/07, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * What do you think about including PyTz in the Python core? PyTz is > > > really, REALLY useful when o

Re: [Python-Dev] Backports of standard library modules

2007-03-11 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/11/07, Patrick Maupin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please forgive me if this has already been discussed -- I only > recently started paying any attention to this list. > > Many versions of python include "new" standard library modules that > could (or often do already) work fine with previous

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal to revert r54204 (splitext change)

2007-03-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/15/07, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This particular change looks like gratuitous breakage, no matter how > > sound the reasons for it, and putting it in to 2.6 with 3.0 "just around > > the corner" (though not for production purposes) is guaranteed to upset > > some people

Re: [Python-Dev] SoC AST generation question

2007-03-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/19/07, Jay Parlar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm considering applying to be a student in this year's SoC, and the > AST code generation in particular looks interesting to me (listed > here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/CodingProjectIdeas/PythonCore). > > I was wondering a few things: > > 1) W

Re: [Python-Dev] SoC AST generation question

2007-03-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/19/07, Michael Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jay Parlar wrote: > > I'm considering applying to be a student in this year's SoC, and the > > AST code generation in particular looks interesting to me (listed > > here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/CodingProjectIdeas/PythonCore). > > > > I w

Re: [Python-Dev] Patchs and bugs resume

2007-03-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/20/07, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People: > > At the beginning of March, there was a thread in this list about patchs > and bugs that teorically weren't checked out. > > >From that discussion, I asked myself: "How can I know the temporal > location of a patch/bug?". Are there

Re: [Python-Dev] Patchs and bugs resume

2007-03-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/20/07, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brett Cannon wrote: > > > That's some interesting stuff. Took me a second to realize that the > > temporal column's total length is the time range from the opening of > > the oldest bug to the lat

Re: [Python-Dev] deprecate commands.getstatus()

2007-03-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/22/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds good to me. In 3.0 we should probably not have os.popen*(), nor > the popen2 module at all, and do everything via the subprocess module. > I wonder if we should even get rid of os.system(); then there should > be a subprocess.system()

Re: [Python-Dev] minidom and DOM level 2

2007-03-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/22/07, Jason Orendorff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The lib ref claims that minidom supports DOM Level 1. Does anyone > know what parts of Level 2 are not implemented? I wasn't able to find > anything offhand. It seems to be more a matter of what's not > documented, or what's not covered by

Re: [Python-Dev] About SSL tests

2007-03-28 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/28/07, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's this bug (#451607) about the needing of tests for socket SSL... > > Last interesting update in the tracker is five years ago, and since a > lot of work has been done in test_socket_ssl.py (Brett, Neal, Tim, > George Brandl). > > Do yo

Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software

2007-04-04 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/4/07, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:07:18PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: > This one was at least personally addressed > (well, to "Python Contributors"), which is a step ahead of most of > them. What gets me is that such surveys are invalid because the

Re: [Python-Dev] function for counting items in a sequence

2007-04-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/7/07, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/7/07, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a patch implementing collections.counts() as suggested above: > > http://bugs.python.org/1696199 > > Example usage, from the docstring:: > > >>> items = 'acabbacba' >

[Python-Dev] deprecating BaseException.message

2007-04-09 Thread Brett Cannon
92 $ Last-Modified: $Date: 2007-01-28 21:54:11 -0800 (Sun, 28 Jan 2007) $ Author: Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Status: Final Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Created: 27-Oct-2005 Post-History: Abstract In Python 2.4 a

Re: [Python-Dev] Checking PEP autobuild results

2007-04-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/10/07, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The PEP I checked in for Travis hasn't turned up on the website, despite building without warnings when I run pep2html.py. The changes I made to PEP 0 haven't turned up either. I thought the subversion commit hook for the PEPs folder caused th

Re: [Python-Dev] build problem on windows: unable to find getbuildinfo2.c

2007-04-12 Thread Brett Cannon
This is not the right list to ask for technical support. Please either ask some place like comp.lang.python or file a bug report. -Brett On 4/12/07, Raghuram Devarakonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I am trying to build latest python on Windows XP and ran into the following error: "c1 : f

Re: [Python-Dev] test_normalization failures across community buildbots

2007-04-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/16/07, Grig Gheorghiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Almost all community buildbots have failed the test step due to a failure in test_normalization. Here's a link to the community farm for the trunk: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/community/trunk/ And here's an example of a failure: ht

Re: [Python-Dev] test_normalization failures across community buildbots

2007-04-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/16/07, Grig Gheorghiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/16/07, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't know what suddenly triggered this (nothing I did), but the code > basically looks correct. What should be happening is regrtest should be > catching that

Re: [Python-Dev] styleguide inconsistency

2007-04-23 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/23/07, Darren Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was recently searching for some guidance on how to name packages and > modules, and discovered an inconsistency in the style guides published at > www.python.org. http://www.python.org/doc/essays/styleguide.html > says "Module names can be eith

[Python-Dev] Clarifications for import PEPs (302 and 328)

2007-04-23 Thread Brett Cannon
After my import rewrite, I discovered some things that were left out of both PEP 302 (import hooks) and PEP 328 (absolute/relative imports). I wanted to run them by everyone before I made the subsequent changes to the PEPs. For PEP 302, a loader should raise ImportError if load_module fails w/o a

Re: [Python-Dev] Clarifications for import PEPs (302 and 328)

2007-04-23 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/23/07, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 02:01 PM 4/23/2007 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > >For PEP 302, a loader should raise ImportError if load_module fails > >w/o an explicit exception being raised. > > I'm not sure I understand this; could you p

Re: [Python-Dev] Clarifications for import PEPs (302 and 328)

2007-04-23 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/23/07, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 03:16 PM 4/23/2007 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > >The PEP does not explicitly state how to signal that a loader cannot > >load a module it is asked to. This could happen if someone called a > >loader withou

Re: [Python-Dev] Clarifications for import PEPs (302 and 328)

2007-04-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/23/07, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 04:23 PM 4/23/2007 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > >On 4/23/07, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 03:16 PM 4/23/2007 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > >The PEP does not explicitl

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Summary Draft (April 1-15, 2007)

2007-04-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/24/07, Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have not gotten any replies about this. No comments, suggestions for > not skipping any missed threads, or corrections. Is everyone good with > this or should I give it another day or two? > Up to you. Usually if anyone is going to reply

Re: [Python-Dev] Tweaking the stdlib test infrastructure

2007-04-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/23/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [SNIP - Adding test.test_support.TestCase] > > So: any objections to making this change? God no! I am dying for you to write your replacement for unittest and get it into the stdlib! I am tired of camelCase method names in all of my test code.

Re: [Python-Dev] Summaries and the New Lists

2007-04-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/24/07, Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that I should be able to actually keep up with my summary duties, > I need to figure out how to tackle the changing landscape of the > development lists. The old summaries were no problem, before my time. > When the python-3000 list was c

Re: [Python-Dev] head crashing (was: Fwd: [Python-checkins] buildbot warnings in x86 mvlgcc trunk)

2007-05-01 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/1/07, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In rev 54982 (the first time this crash was seen), I see something which might create a problem. In python/trunk/Modules/posixmodule.c (near line 6300): + PyMem_FREE(mode); Py_END_ALLOW_THREADS The PyMem_MALLOC call that creat

Re: [Python-Dev] head crashing (was: Fwd: [Python-checkins] buildbot warnings in x86 mvlgcc trunk)

2007-05-01 Thread Brett Cannon
ode); >>Py_END_ALLOW_THREADS Shouldn't do that. [Brett Cannon] > The PyMem_MALLOC call that creates 'mode' is also called without explicitly > holding the GIL. Or that ;-) Luckily I misread the code so it doesn't do that boo-boo. Can you call PyMem_FREE()

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportError on no permission

2007-05-06 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/6/07, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, why don't we change the semantics as follows: if a file with matching name > exists (in import.c::find_module), but opening fails, ImportError is raised > immediately with the concrete error message, and without trying the rest of >

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-12 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/12/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/12/07, Tracker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] I clicked on the tracker link out of curiosity noticed that the tracker has been spammed -- issues 1028, 1029 and 1030 are all spam (1028 seems a test by the spammer). We know. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEPs] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With the help of Neal Norwitz, Jeremy Hylton, Alex Martelli and Collin Winter, I've greatly reduced the set of open PEPs numbered less than 3000. Here's a summary. Please speak up if we've made a grave error; I take all responsibility for t

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make decisions on what goes into a release? Y

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I think it would be better to do content. URLs come to mind; without | something clickable, most commercial spam would be hamstrung. But | few bug reports and

Re: [Python-Dev] The docs, reloaded

2007-05-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/19/07, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, over the last few weeks I've hacked on a new approach to Python's documentation. As Python already has an excellent documentation framework, the docutils, with a readable yet extendable markup format, reST, I thought that it should be poss

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] buildbot failure in x86 W2k trunk

2007-05-20 Thread Brett Cannon
For removing extension modules from the build process on Windows, do you just delete the File entry from PCbuild/pythoncore.vcproj? -Brett On 5/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Buildbot has detected a new failure of x86 W2k trunk. Full details are available at: http://ww

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86945 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/__main__.py

2010-12-03 Thread Brett Cannon
I just want to say thanks for doing this, Michael. __main__.py is IMO woefully underused and it's great to see Python dogfooding the feature along with making it easier to explain how to run our unit tests. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 17:34, michael.foord wrote: > Author: michael.foord > Date: Fri Dec

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 11: Dropping support for ten year old systems

2010-12-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 14:14, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:48:49 +0100 > "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I'd like to tighten PEP 11, and declare a policy that systems >> older than ten years at the point of a feature release are not >> supported anymore by default. Older systems whe

Re: [Python-Dev] Using logging in the stdlib and its unit tests

2010-12-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 13:57, Eric Smith wrote: > On 12/07/2010 03:26 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: >> >> I would suggest that when unit testing, rather than adding StreamHandlers >> to log >> to stderr, that something like TestHandler and Matcher from this post: >> >> http://plumberjack.blogspot.com/201

Re: [Python-Dev] futures API

2010-12-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 04:26, Thomas Nagy wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking forward to replacing a piece of code > (http://code.google.com/p/waf/source/browse/trunk/waflib/Runner.py#86) by the > futures module which was announced in python 3.2 beta. I am a bit stuck with > it, so I have a few qu

Re: [Python-Dev] Format factories (was Re: sWAPcASE Was: transform() and untransform() methods, and the codec registry)

2010-12-11 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 16:26, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:10:38 -0500 >> Eric Smith wrote: >>> If we're looking to reduce the number of methods on str, I wouldn't mind >>> seeing center() and zfill() also go away, since t

Re: [Python-Dev] Using logging in the stdlib and its unit tests

2010-12-11 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 22:21, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Nick Coghlan gmail.com> writes: > > >> This could actually make a reasonably good basic for a "task oriented" >> subsection of the logging documentation. Something like: >> > > Good suggestion, I'll see what I can do. Just wanted to +1 on some

[Python-Dev] Started my PSF core grant today

2011-01-04 Thread Brett Cannon
For those of you who don't know, the PSF has given me a two month grant to work on the core. It's mostly focused on the long overdue overhaul of the dev docs (now being called the devguide) and writing a HOWTO on porting Python 2 code to Python 3. If I have time left over it will be spent on the te

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Strip out all generic svn instructions from the FAQ. It's not only

2011-01-05 Thread Brett Cannon
To those that want to keep those steps in the dev FAQ, go ahead but I recuse myself from maintaining it. Having had so many instances of people asking "how do I do this?" and me almost always able to go "read the dev FAQ" has basically made me feel like it is not worth the effort if people are not

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Point out that OS X users need to change examples to use python.exe instead of

2011-01-08 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 13:04, Ned Deily wrote: > In article , >  brett.cannon wrote: > [...] >> summary: >>   Point out that OS X users need to change examples to use python.exe instead >>   of python. >>  Once Python is done building you will then have a working build of Python >>  that can be r

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add an intermediate task of helping triage issues (not to be confused with the

2011-01-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 00:26, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 08.01.2011 23:22, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: >> On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:05:06 +0100 >> brett.cannon wrote: >>> +For bugs, an issue needs to: >>> + >>> +* Clearly explain the bug so it can be reproduced >>> +* All relevant platform details are inc

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add an intermediate task of helping triage issues (not to be confused with the

2011-01-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:24, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:18:12 -0800 > Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > OK, so the sentence is poorly phrased, but in the list of tasks it is > > labeled explicitly as intermediate when one is comfortable with the > &g

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Add a doc listing the various places Python's development is discussed.

2011-01-11 Thread Brett Cannon
Tweaked. Will show up in my next push. On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:53, Terry Reedy wrote: > > +The primary mailing list where discussions about Python's development >> occur is >> +python-dev_ >> > > suggest adding > ", mirrored as newsgroup gmane.comp.python.devel." > > ... > > +python-ideas_.

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add an intermediate task of helping triage issues (not to be confused with the

2011-01-11 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:44, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le lundi 10 janvier 2011 à 19:37 +, Michael Foord a écrit : > > On 10/01/2011 19:31, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > Le lundi 10 janvier 2011 à 19:26 +, Michael Foord a écrit : > > >>> > > >>> Fair enough. I will remove it. > > >>> > > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Start the core dev intro doc.

2011-01-11 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 19:43, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:56 AM, brett.cannon > wrote: > > +Mailing Lists > > +' > > + > > +You are expected to subscribe to python-committers, python-dev, > > +python-checkins, and one of new-bugs-announce or python-bugs-list. See

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a doc outlining how to add something to the stdlib.

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:00, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:38:43 +0100 > brett.cannon wrote: >> + >> +Adding to a pre-existing module >> +--- >> + >> +If you have found that a function, method, or class is useful and you >> believe >> +it would be u

[Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Cannon
There is a bunch of stuff in Misc that probably belongs in the devguide (under Resources) instead of in svn. Here are the files I think can be moved (in order of how strongly I think they should be moved): PURIFY.README README.coverty README.klocwork README.valgrind Porting developers.txt maintain

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a doc outlining how to add something to the stdlib.

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:32, R. David Murray wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:00:10 +0100, Antoine Pitrou > wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:38:43 +0100 >> brett.cannon wrote: >> > + >> > +Adding to a pre-existing module >> > +--- >> > + >> > +If you have found that

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Cover how to (un-)apply a patch.

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Cannon
Done On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 15:14, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:37:07 +0100 > brett.cannon wrote: >> + >> +To undo a patch, do:: >> + >> +    patch -R -p0 < patch.diff >> + > > Or, simply and more reliably, use the corresponding VCS incantation > ("svn revert -R ." or "hg reve

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-01-17 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 14:41, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >> Well it *is* inconvenient in the case of maintainers.rst, which is >> often consulted casually for daily bug tracker work. Grepping >> Misc/maintainers.rst is much easier than first h

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Write a guide to committing a patch.

2011-01-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 05:18, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:14:51 +0100 >> Ezio Melotti wrote: >>> > + >>> > +Committing Patches >>> > +== >> [...] >>> > + >>> > +    svnmerge.py merge -r 42 >>> > + >>> >

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Write a guide to committing a patch.

2011-01-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 22:14, Ezio Melotti wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:44 AM, brett.cannon > wrote: >> >> brett.cannon pushed 75300a08c6d7 to devguide: >> >> http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/75300a08c6d7 >> changeset:   88:75300a08c6d7

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 07:01, Simon Cross wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Victor Stinner > wrote: >>  (a) Python 3 doesn't support non-ASCII module names > > -0: I'm vaguely against this being supported because I'd rather not > have to deal with what happens when the guess regarding th

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Cover how to (un-)apply a patch.

2011-01-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:10, wrote: > >    Antoine> Ok, thank you but... are you suggesting something or not? > > Yes.  Keep the vcs command recommendations simple.  At least mention idioms > which likely to apply across a wider range of version control systems. I was hoping this would flame o

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:38, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > .. >>>>  (a) Python 3 doesn't support non-ASCII module names > .. >> -0 from me (unless the Unicode variable naming PEP says otherwise). >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 14:23, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > .. >>> For similar reasons we tend to avoid capital letters in module names. >> >> That is a stdlib style guide followed by many, but intentionally not >> enforced. > > Indeed.  Last

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-01-19 Thread Brett Cannon
edited and simplified to only list files with non-obvious names) On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:32, Brett Cannon wrote: > There is a bunch of stuff in Misc that probably belongs in the > devguide (under Resources) instead of in svn. Here are the files I > think can be moved (in order of how s

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-01-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 15:49, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:31:24 -0800 > Brett Cannon wrote: >> OK, here is my plan that I will implement: >> >> MOVE >> -- >> developers.txt >> maintainers.rst >> README.gdb >> READ

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Short doc about where to get tech help related to developing Python.

2011-01-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 15:21, Sandro Tosi wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 23:19, brett.cannon > wrote: >> +Where to Get Help >> += >> +If you are working on Python it is very possible you will come across an >> issue >> +where you need some assistance in solving (this

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Move Misc/maintainers.rst here and rename to experts.rst.

2011-01-20 Thread Brett Cannon
It's just a bit wordy. I simplified it. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 01:22, Sandro Tosi wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 04:56, brett.cannon > wrote: >> +Unless a name is followed by a '*', you should never assign an issue to >> +that person, only make them nosy.  Names followed by a '*' may

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-01-20 Thread Brett Cannon
Short of moving README.coverity (I'm waiting to here back from the company), I'm done with my tweaks to the directory. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 15:31, Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, here is my plan that I will implement: > > MOVE > -- > developers.txt >

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-01-20 Thread Brett Cannon
It's not in the svn tree; it's an Hg repo: ssh://h...@hg.python.org/devguide . The link is also listed in the Resources section of the devguide. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:59, wrote: > > Brett, > > I'm sure I just missed it, but where is the devguide in the Subversion tree? > > Thx, > > Skip > _

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88127 - in python/branches/py3k/Misc: README.AIX README.OpenBSD cheatsheet

2011-01-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:09, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > brett.cannon wrote: >> Author: brett.cannon >> Date: Thu Jan 20 20:34:35 2011 >> New Revision: 88127 >> >> Log: >> Remove some outdated files from Misc. >> >> Removed: >>    python/branches/py3k/Misc/README.AIX > > Are you sure that the AIX REA

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88127 - in python/branches/py3k/Misc: README.AIX README.OpenBSD cheatsheet

2011-01-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:09, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:09, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > .. >>>>    python/branches/py3k/Misc/cheatsheet >>> >>> Wouldn't it be bet

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Copy over the dev FAQ and *only* strip out stuff covered elsewhere in the

2011-01-21 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 16:58, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:42 AM, brett.cannon > wrote: >> brett.cannon pushed 82d3a1b694b3 to devguide: >> >> http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/82d3a1b694b3 >> changeset:   167:82d3a1b694b3 >> user:        B

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Move Misc/README.Emacs to here.

2011-01-21 Thread Brett Cannon
It's the Emacs lovers who put that stuff in all of their files, so I ain't touching it. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:06, Sandro Tosi wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 20:33, brett.cannon > wrote: >> +.. >> +   Local Variables: >> +   mode: indented-text >> +   indent-tabs-mode: nil >> +  

Re: [Python-Dev] Triagers and checkin access to the devguide repository

2011-01-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 18:35, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Given that some of the dev guide docs cover triaging and other aspects > of managing issues on the tracker, does it make sense to offer > devguide checkin access to triagers that want it? > There are enough triagers with commit privileges that

[Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

2011-01-22 Thread Brett Cannon
http://docs.python.org/devguide/ If you are a core developer and have a correction you want to make you can simply check out the devguide yourself (link is in the Resources section of the devguide) and make the corrections yourself. Otherwise reply here (you can email me directly but I already hav

Re: [Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

2011-01-22 Thread Brett Cannon
And I forgot to mention I also plan to edit the help text on the various fields on the issue tracker to point to the triaging doc. On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 17:08, Brett Cannon wrote: > http://docs.python.org/devguide/ > > If you are a core developer and have a correction you want to

Re: [Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

2011-01-23 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 23:56, Mark Summerfield wrote: > Hi Brett, > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:08:00 -0800 > Brett Cannon wrote: >> http://docs.python.org/devguide/ > > Personally, I found the first paragraph of "Contributing" a bit > off-putting. > >

Re: [Python-Dev] (no subject)

2011-01-24 Thread Brett Cannon
Bug reports should be filed at bugs.python.org On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 08:39, Stefan Spoettl wrote: > Using: > Python 2.7.0+ (r27:82500, Sep 15 2010, 18:14:55) > [GCC 4.4.5] on linux2 > (Ubuntu 10.10) > Method to reproduce error: > 1. Defining a module which is later imported by another: > --

Re: [Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

2011-01-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 07:33, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:33:07 +1000 >> Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >>> >> In "Getting Set U

Re: [Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

2011-01-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 07:46, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:08:00 -0800 > Brett Cannon wrote: >> >> Two, what should the final URL be? Georg picked the current one and I >> am happy with it. > > Ditto for me. > >> Three, where should it b

Re: [Python-Dev] Keeping __init__.py empty for Python packages used for module grouping.

2011-01-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:18, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 24.01.2011 20:04, schrieb Raymond Hettinger: >> Looking at http://docs.python.org/dev/library/html.html#module-html it would >> appear that we've created a new module with a single trivial function. >> >> In reality, there was already a pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Location of tests for packages

2011-01-25 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 17:19, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >> It isn't just unittest, it seems that all *test packages* are in their >> respective package and not Lib/test except for the json module where Raymond >> already moved the tests: >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88197 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/email/generator.py

2011-01-25 Thread Brett Cannon
This broke the buildbots (R. David Murray thinks you may have forgotten to call super() in the 'payload is None' branch). Are you getting code reviews and fully running the test suite before committing? We are in RC. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 16:39, victor.stinner wrote: > Author: victor.stinner >

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88197 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/email/generator.py

2011-01-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 04:34, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Victor Stinner > wrote: >> I was stupid to not run at least test_email, sorry. And no, I didn't ask >> for a review, because I thought that such minor change cannot be >> harmful. > > During the RC period, *ever

Re: [Python-Dev] Why do we bundle lib2to3 with Python? Was: Location of tests for packages

2011-01-27 Thread Brett Cannon
2011/1/27 Łukasz Langa : > > W dniu 2011-01-24 23:13, Benjamin Peterson pisze: >> >>  I prefer lib2to3 tests to stay in lib2to3/. > > On a related note, I had trouble myself with using outdated 2to3 and > heard complaints about that at least a couple of times. What do we gain > from bundling 2to3 w

[Python-Dev] getting stable URLs for major.minor versions

2011-01-27 Thread Brett Cannon
Because of all the writing I have been doing lately, I have been pulling up a lot of URLs pointing to various Python releases based around minor versions (e.g., Python 2.7, not specifically 2.7.1). What has been somewhat annoying is that there are no URLs which act as a redirect to the latest relea

Re: [Python-Dev] getting stable URLs for major.minor versions

2011-01-27 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 13:21, wrote: >    Brett> Bonus points if we extend this to major versions, too. =) > > I know you added a smiley, but just wanted to point out that since Python 2 > and 3 are really different languages, referring 2.4 users to 3.3 might be a > bad idea.  (I imagine it woul

Re: [Python-Dev] getting stable URLs for major.minor versions

2011-01-27 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 13:54, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 27.01.2011 21:38, schrieb Brett Cannon: >> Because of all the writing I have been doing lately, I have been >> pulling up a lot of URLs pointing to various Python releases based >> around minor

Re: [Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

2011-01-28 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:52, Eli Bendersky wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 03:08, Brett Cannon wrote: >> http://docs.python.org/devguide/ >> >> If you are a core developer and have a correction you want to make you >> can simply check out the devguide yoursel

Re: [Python-Dev] fcmp() in test.support

2011-01-28 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 20:55, Eli Bendersky wrote: > I'm working on improving the .rst documentation of test.support (Issue > 11015), and came upon the undocumented "fcmp" function that's being > exported from test.support, along with a "FUZZ"constant. > > As I search through the tests (py3k trun

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #11051: system calls per import

2011-01-31 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 04:43, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:08:25 -0800 > Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> (Basically I am biased to believe that stat() is a pretty slow system >> call -- this may just be old NFS lore though.) > > I don't know about NFS, but starting a Python inter

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

2011-02-02 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:48, Éric Araujo wrote: > Le 19/01/2011 18:04, Georg Brandl a écrit : >> Am 19.01.2011 16:25, schrieb Eric Smith: Bonus question: if we remove maintainers.rst from py3k, what do we do in 3.1 and 2.7?  I’d favor removing them over keeping outdated versions. >>> >>

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Add a document discussing the development cycle typically followed for

2011-02-02 Thread Brett Cannon
all fixed On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 03:04, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 23:20, brett.cannon > wrote: >> +The in-development branch is where new functionality and semantic changes > > new functionalities (dunno if it's plural in english or not)? > >> +occur. Currently this branch is

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88331 - in python/branches/py3k/Doc/howto: index.rst pyporting.rst

2011-02-03 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 15:10, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:01 AM, brett.cannon > wrote: >> +Stop Using :mod:`doctest` >> +' >> +While 2to3 tries to port doctests properly, it's a rather tough thing to >> do. It >> +is probably best to simply convert you

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