Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I realized that the previous schedule really called for a release today 7/15 because I'm a bit busy tomorrow night. In any event, let's try to stick to doing it on 7/16. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQ

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 15, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A reminder: the second betas of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are schedule for to

[Python-Dev] Bug 3139

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 But 3139 appears important enough to hold up beta 2. http://bugs.python.org/issue3139 bytearrays are not thread safe Can we get this fixed by tomorrow? Does anybody disagree that we should hold up the release for this one? We don't have much tim

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: If there is anything you need a decision on, please follow up to this thread. I'm inundated with email so I can't watch every thread on the mailing lists. Or ping me on #python-dev.

[Python-Dev] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We have green buildbots, yay! Thanks everyone for that. However, we still have three release blocker issues that I am not comfortable deferring. 3088 test_multiprocessing hangs intermittently on POSIX platforms 3375 _multiprocessing.so build pro

Re: [Python-Dev] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 17, 2008, at 09:57 AM, Steve Holden wrote: >Barry Warsaw wrote: >[...] >> >> I'll note that I plan to hold the beta3 releases until all release >> blocker and deferred blockers are resolved. >> >Ian

[Python-Dev] NO CHECKINS - BETA 2 COMING

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please, no checkins on the 3.0 or 2.6 branches until further notice. We're a go with the releases tonight. Email is not the quickest way to get my attention. For that, use irc on freenode, #python-dev. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: bsddb is in a very bad shape, as the 2.6 code hasn't been merged in

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6b2 and 3.0b2

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin

[Python-Dev] SVN IS OPEN

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The releases have been made, so both the 3.0 branch and the trunk (2.6) are now open for commits. Remember, there's only one more planned beta, and we /really/ want to try to hit the October 1st deadline. Let's do everything we can to stabiliz

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:32 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: We can obviously drop the module for 3.0. For 2.x, should we just shrug and disable most of the BerkeleyDB tests (maybe just on Windows) by adding a new resource to enable them? If we're stuck with

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-2.6b2.tar.bz missing sig file on web site

2008-07-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 19, 2008, at 11:01 PM, Charles Hixson wrote: Python-2.6b2.tar.bz missing sig file on web site. That's about all the info I have, except that the tgz is also missing the sig file, and that 3.0b2 has it's sig file. Hope this is the correc

Re: [Python-Dev] Web site type: Python 2.6b2 Released: 18-Jun-2008

2008-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2008, at 3:44 AM, Barry Scott wrote: I think you mean july. Thanks, I'll fix that. - -B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSIMuQXEjvBPtnXfVAQLFVwP/SYQkNNHnReOOuPxnnJQkNqKTnDYLpZqT 9J0y/fExHPDNxrawPnxQ

Re: [Python-Dev] Py3k tasks spreadsheet

2008-08-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:42 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: How up to date is this? Probably way out of date. The best way to find tasks is to go to the tracker (bugs.python.org) and search for issues tagged with version 3.0. Preferably the "release blo

Re: [Python-Dev] Any PEP about 2.6 -> 3000 code transition?

2008-08-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: But waiting until all the betas have gone out totally defeats the purpose of the betas! It has already been stated that new code changes that are even remotely shaky or anything not small needs a code

Re: [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Barry Warsaw python.org> writes: I agree. Our last beta is scheduled for this wednesday Are you sure? According to http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-July/014269.html , i

Re: [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Ah darn, that's a typo in the PEP. I definitely meant August 13, as the Google calendar shows. Do we think we can be ready for beta3 this Wednesday? If not, I'd rather stick to

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest Suggestions

2008-08-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Sebastian Rittau wrote: [I just saw the other post about unit testing, while I was writing this. A strange conincidence.] Indeed. I've played around (again) recently with both nose and py.test, so I'd like to mak

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest Suggestions

2008-08-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 12, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Jean-Paul Calderone wrote: A SIG might be a good idea. There's also already the "testing in python" list, too: http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/testing-in-python A lot of this discussion would be appropriate there.

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest Suggestions

2008-08-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 12, 2008, at 11:13 AM, C. Titus Brown wrote: I'll forward this idea on to testing-in-python: http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/testing-in-python where there was another bikeshed discussion about testing, a few weeks ago. That might b

Re: [Python-Dev] Maintaining old releases

2008-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 13, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Because there won't typically be sufficient testing and release infrastructure to allow arbitrary bug fixes to be committed on the branch. The buildbots are turned off, and nobody tests the release

Re: [Python-Dev] Maintaining old releases

2008-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not migrate support for older releases to interested parties outside of the regular developer team? Presuming there is someone out there with the interest in maintaining, say, Python 2.2

Re: [Python-Dev] Maintaining old releases

2008-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: There's a difference between never being released, and unavailable in the source repository. So would you have preferred if I had forked another branch that still contained these patches? Such br

Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python 2.5. The Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved in 2.5

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Fred Drake wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Someone told me the other day that macports made for difficult installs, but not being a Mac user I wasn't in a position to evaluate the advice. No

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] parse_qs and parse_qsl functions

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Facundo Batista ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> The issue 600362 has two patches (one for 2.6 and the other for 3.0) >> that are ready to commit (with a small

[Python-Dev] Beta 3 planned for this Wednesday

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, I am going to try to release the last planned beta of 2.6 and 3.0 this Wednesday. Looking at the stable buildbots and showstopper bugs indicates some work to do between now and then. Here are the showstoppers, along with my recommend

[Python-Dev] Hanging out on freenode IRC #python-dev

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I will be hanging out as much as possible over the next two days on the #python-dev channel on freenode IRC. If you have any last minute decisions you need, that will be the most immediate way to get in touch with me. Modulo work commitments,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Fred Drake wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage pack

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Beta 3 planned for this Wednesday

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1878class attribute cache failure (regression) - - Medium priority - - Guido, there are some design choice

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage packa

Re: [Python-Dev] Why does httplib import from test_support?

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:43 PM, An

[Python-Dev] Releasing beta 3's tonight

2008-08-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pending a resolution of bug 3611 (which has an attached patch that we're testing now), I plan on releasing 2.6 and 3.0 beta 3 tonight. Please do not make any commits to the trees unless you ask me first, until further notice. I am on #python-de

[Python-Dev] 2.6 on Windows

2008-08-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can anybody verify and hopefully fix the problems seen in the Windows bots for the trunk (i.e. 2.6)? http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ 3.0 doesn't look too bad, and I'm going to release beta 3 anyway, but I hope we can get the 2.6 Windows bu

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6b3 and 3.0b3

2008-08-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/ and the Python 3.0 web site: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6 on Windows

2008-08-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Which is the best state I've ever managed to get the 64bit build to. Note however that bsddb3 was skipped by my tests. Running that test alone, both platforms report the same error as the buildbot: FAIL: test01_basic_replication (bsddb.test.tes

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was away for the weekend and am struggling to catch up on my email. Since I haven't digested this entire thread, I'll refrain for the moment from giving my opinion, however this comment jumped out to me. On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Facundo B

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess insufficiently platform-independent?

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Several people at Google seem to have independently discovered that despite all of the platform-independent goodness in subprocess.py, you still need to be platform aware. One of my colleagues sum

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ "Unicode 5.1.0 contains over 100,000 characters, and provides significant additions and improvements..." to existing features, including new files and

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess insufficiently platform-independent?

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Oleg Broytmann wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 01:30:58PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: Unless I'm misremembering (I no longer have access to Windows), I believe that if you use ' '.join(cmd) as the first ar

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I agree. This seriously feels like new, potentially high risk code to be adding this late in the game. The BDFL can always override, but unless someone is really

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Guido's request was just for updating the Unicode database with the data from 5.1 - without adding new support for properties or changing the interfaces. See this page for a list of changes to the U

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: You don't mean the experts claimed they weren't important, right? Unimportant changes definitely don't need to go in now . Well, at least Guido managed to fi

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial mirrors

2008-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, Thanks to Neil Schemenauer, we now have some Mercurial mirrors hosted at http://code.python.org/hg/ Co

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial mirrors

2008-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Brett Cannon python.org> writes: But can we push branches up to our personal directories on code.python.org like we can with bzr? If you have an ssh access to code.python.org, it should be easy

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable / unstable buildbots

2008-08-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 28, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: What is the rationale behind the distinction between "stable" and "unstable" buildbots? I ask that because the OpenBSD buildbot has failed compiling 3.0 for quite some time, but since that build

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6b3 Windows installers

2008-09-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:09 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: I suppose this is due to Martin building the installers and him not be available at the moment. He should be back today. Since Python on Windows will likely only get very few beta testers without

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6b3 Windows installers

2008-09-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:09 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: I suppose this is

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] bsddb finished for 2.6/3.0 (and ": str() on a bytes instance")

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: and I know Brett agrees, so that's it. On IRC, I've just asked Benjamin to do the honors for 3.0 and Brett will add the deprecations for 2.6. I just committed the fix

[Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the bsddb removal on all platforms. Let me first thank Benjamin, Brett, Mark and Antoine for

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry] I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. Can I go ahead with some bug fixes and doc improvements or should I wait until after Friday? Doc fixes are fine. Please have bug fix patches re

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:28 AM, Mark Hammond wrote: Barry writes: In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions in the logging module. 3772 logging module fails with non-ascii data Which according to the IRC discussion doesn't a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry> In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions Barry> in the logging module. Vinay apparently checked in some changes to the logging module with no review. In

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: (I'll be hanging around in #python-dev today and tomorrow, btw, ping me if I can help you) Me too, though I'm a bit busy at work. Ping my nick 'barry' if you need any RM-level decision. - -Ba

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry> Or did he commit Mark's patch from bug 3772? If so, that would Barry> count as a reviewed patch. The checkin message says issue 3726: Author: vinay.sajip Date: Wed Sep 3

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the b

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: (I have a few minor ET fixes, and possibly a Unicode 5.1 patch, but have had absolutely no time to spend on that. is the window still open?) There are 8 open release

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:37 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 12:02:06PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: There are 8 open release blockers, a few of which have patches that need review. So I think we are still not ready to release rc1

[Python-Dev] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We have 8 open release critical bugs, and 18 deferred blockers. We do not have a beta3 Windows installer and I don't have high hopes for rectifying all of these problems i

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r66321 - in python/trunk: Doc/library/warnings.rst Lib/asynchat.py Lib/bsddb/test/test_early_close.py Lib/mimetools.py Lib/test/test___all__.py Lib/test/test_excepti

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 9, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: It's also a bug that was introduced by the late API changes made to WarningsRecorder in r66135 (when WarningsRecorder was moved from test.test_support to warnings to make it officially supported for us

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Perhaps it's time to separate the 2.6 and 3.0 release schedules? I don't care if the next version of OSX contains 3.0 or not -- but I do care about it having 2.6. I've talked with my contact at M

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str issu

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Guido van Rossum] Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't al

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Even if I can't contribute very much at the moment, I'm still +1 to that. I doubt Python would get nice publicity if we released a 3.0 but had to tell everyone, "but don't really use it yet, it may

[Python-Dev] Updated release schedule for 2.6 and 3.0

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We had a lot of discussion recently about changing the release schedule and splitting Python 2.6 and 3.0. There was general consensus that this was a good idea, in order to hit our October 1 deadline for Python 2.6 final at least. There is on

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Updated release schedule for 2.6 and 3.0

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We had a lot of discussion recently about changing the release schedule and splitting Python 2.6 and 3.0. The

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6rc1

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSMsXV3EjvBPtnXfVAQJFsgP9GxZYQocbDTd0Z/0yEjpHfZ/FTd8y83jV

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6rc1

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 17, 2008, at 5:59 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I am happy to announce the first release candidate for Python 2.6. In http://www.python.org/download/releases

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6rc2 and 3.0rc1

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
/download/releases/2.6/ and the Python 3.0 web site: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python

[Python-Dev] Python documentation

2008-09-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin points out that in the past, as part of the release process, we've built separate downloadable documentation. Do we still want to do that for Python 2.6 and 3.0, and if so, how do we go about doing that? I have this feeling that building

Re: [Python-Dev] Python documentation

2008-09-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 21, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Barry Warsaw schrieb: Martin points out that in the past, as part of the release process, we've built separate downloadable documentation. Do we still want to do that for Python 2.6 and 3.0, a

Re: [Python-Dev] okay to add new test cases to 2.6?

2008-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Peterson wound up writing a test case for the new C atexit module on the py3k branch. A similar test, though different in detail, makes sense for the Python atexit module on trunk.

Re: [Python-Dev] json decoder speedups, any time left for 2.6?

2008-09-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:47 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: How much time do I have left to get this into Python 2.6? Zero I'm afraid - with rc1 out, it's release blocker bugs only. Anything which can be deferred to the 2.6.1 release

[Python-Dev] Reminder: Python 2.6 final next Wednesday

2008-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a reminder that Python 2.6 final is schedule for release next Wednesday, October 1st. Once again, I've gone through the release blocker issues and knocked anything that doesn't specifically affect 2.6 to deferred blocker. This leaves

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6 final today

2008-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been out of town since Friday, but I don't yet see anything in the 700 billion email messages I'm now catching up on that leads me to think we need to delay the release. Yay! I will be on irc later today and will be trolling through the tr

Re: [Python-Dev] Python security team

2008-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Jan Mate(jek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mate> wrote: Thanks for your answer. I guess the process is the real problem then. - From what i could observe, the connection between vendor-sec and PSRT is not really working as it

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6 final

2008-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
ad/releases/2.6/ (Please note that due to quirks in the earth's time zones, the Windows installers will be available shortly.) Bugs can be reported in the Python bug tracker: http://bugs.python.org Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6 final

2008-10-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Haoyu Bai wrote: Now almost all the pages on docs.python.org can't be accessed. For example http://docs.python.org/lib/lib.html returns 403 forbidden. Thanks to Georg and Thomas, the docs should all be fixed now. - -B

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6 final

2008-10-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I am happy to announce the release of Python 2.6 final. This is the production-ready version of the latest in the Python 2

Re: [Python-Dev] for __future__ import planning

2008-10-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: So now that we've released 2.6 and are working hard on shepherding 3.0 out the door, it's time to worry about the next set of releases. :) I propose that we dramatically shorten our release cycle

Re: [Python-Dev] for __future__ import planning

2008-10-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 3, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: Wow! I guess release.py is going to get really automated then. =) That or you are going to manage to con more of us to help out (and even cut the release ourselves). release.py is really coming along

[Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a reasonable schedule? Do we n

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-No

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 rc 2 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 4 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final I've updated PEP 361 and the Google calendar with this schedule, except that the PEP says that rc3 and r

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I won't be able to cut another release between the 15th and 5th, so at least that one should be 2 weeks. If we don't need the additional rc, then we can release early, which would p

Re: [Python-Dev] Has python-dev collapsed?

2008-10-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 28, 2008, at 04:17 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >Yes, that's what it feels like. I hope the pace picks up again and we >can release 3.0 final in early December still. I really don't want to >carry it over to 2009. Don't worry, it won't. As I m

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-10-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: >Since some months, I'm trying to improve Python but it's difficult because >I'm not allowed to push patches and I have to wait for some reviews and then >for someone interrested by my patches. Somet

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-10-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 01:02 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> Let me remind you though that I've been mostly unavailable for the past two >> weeks at a work conference. > >Cool, you're back :-) But my email was not against you. Well, not quite. :) Monday.

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 08:44 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >Brett Cannon schrieb: >> I just tried to update my 3.0 branch in hg from >> http://code.python.org/hg/branches/py3k/ and hg is telling me it's a >> 404. Anyone else having trouble? > >404 here too. >

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 08:58 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >Naw, I think I just f'd up the Apache conf. I'll try to fix that. And by "I'll" of course I meant "Martin". :) Thanks Martin! - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIG

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 03:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote: >I posted this yesterday about using bzr: > > >I'd like to try it out, but the instructions on > > http://www.python.org/dev/bazaar/ say to get wget > > http://code.python.org/snapshots/python-bzr-snapsh

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-11-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Eric Smith wrote: Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2008, Victor Stinner wrote: One of the reasons why I'm very keen on us moving to a distributed version control system is to help break the logjam on core

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-11-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:04 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:04:42AM +, Barry Warsaw wrote: One of the reasons why I'm very keen on us moving to a distributed version control system is to help break the logjam on

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Ralf Schmitt wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have started the DVCS PEP which can be seen at http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg7fctr4_40dvjkdg64 . Not much is there beyond th

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 12:58 PM, C. Titus Brown wrote: -> Sticking with a dvcs implemented in Python makes the best sense, -> especially when you consider the plugin architecture. When we -> selected a new tracker, we didn't make implementation in Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Ralf Schmitt wrote: I have used mercurial extensively (before having used git) and I think git is great. It gives you much more freedom to work with your source code than mercurial. Ralf, can you describe what you mea

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin> I have now restored the original URL structure, and moved the Martin> loggerhead installation to Martin> http://code.python.org/loggerhead/ A couple nits. Leaving off the

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: FWIW, I put one up this weekend, and it seems to be intact and OK. (bzr+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/2.6/ or http://code.python.org/python/2.6/ ) Excellent, thanks! This is getting mirrored

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