[Python-Dev] PEP 361: Python 2.6/3.0 release schedule

2008-03-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
$Revision: 61470 $ Last-Modified: $Date: 2008-03-17 19:27:00 -0500 (Mon, 17 Mar 2008) $ Author: Neal Norwitz, Barry Warsaw Status: Draft Type: Informational Created: 29-June-2006 Python-Version: 2.6 Python-Version: 3.0 Post-History: 17-Mar-2008 Abstract This document describes the devel

Re: [Python-Dev] Change in priority fields

2008-03-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 17, 2008, at 11:35 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > What do I do for something that should absolutely go into the 2.6final > release (say) but is otherwise pretty minor? I've been using critical > to make sure it doesn't get put off until past the

Re: [Python-Dev] Change in priority fields

2008-03-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Hm... This feels a bit like inflation of priorities to me; there would > be lots of critical bugs and quite a few release blockers... The > highest priority just pertains to the upcoming release

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] PEP 361: Python 2.6/3.0 release schedule

2008-03-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 18, 2008, at 2:04 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > Hey Barry, > > Thanks for putting this PEP together. This is really helpful. Hi Travis... thanks! > I didn't see discussion of PEP 3118 and it's features back-ported to > Python 2.6. I've alre

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-03-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 19, 2008, at 3:20 AM, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: > +1 to assert* from me. the fail* variants always feel like > double-negatives. I also always use assertTrue instead of assert_. But > I don't care enough to argue about it. :) I'm in the camp that

Re: [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 19, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Jeff Rush wrote: > > I and others appreciate your call for more patches on various > topics. However > a long delay in applying them will discourage contribution. Are you > open to > giving certain others patch view/c

[Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm happy to announce that we now have available for public consumption, the Python source code for 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0 available under the Bazaar distributed version control system. The current Subversion repository is still the master copy of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Barry Warsaw schrieb: >> I'm happy to announce that we now have available for public >> consumption, the Python source code for 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0 available >> un

Re: [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 20, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Barry Warsaw schrieb: >> I'm happy to announce that we now have available for public >> consumption, the Python source code for 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0 available >> under the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > > One thing I really like the idea of with Mercurial for my situation > (non-committer) is the mq extension, which lets me manage my changes > as a "stack of patches" - so I'm completely working with pat

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 project management

2008-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 17, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> 'critical' is fine (or 'immediate'). My problem before was that I >> couldn't do one query that gave me all the critical issues for >> both 2.6 and 3.0. That certainly could have been pebk

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 project management

2008-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> Thanks Martin, I think this will work for now. Is there any way >> you can allow me to edit this query too? > > Not easily. > > I could just remove it, and allow you to create a new one (or you

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: from __future__ import unicode_string_literals

2008-03-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've missed most of this thread, but let me just put my two cents in. I'd still like a future import to turn on unicode string literals (or more accurately, treat unadorned string literals as unicodes). As someone who is striving mightily to ge

Re: [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Barry> All the gory details are documented here: > >Barry> http://www.python.org/dev/bazaar > > Thanks. I checked out, made a branch named test3, changed > Makefile.pre.in > to ha

Re: [Python-Dev] the release gods are angry at python

2008-03-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:21 AM, Neal Norwitz wrote: > The next releases of 2.6/3.0 are planned for April 2, just over a week > from now. There is much work that needs to be done. The buildbots > are in a pretty sad state and the gods are seeing too much

Re: [Python-Dev] stable buildbots

2008-03-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: > 2008/3/26, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> We need to get the tests for Python to be more stable so we can push >> out solid releases. In order to achieve this result, we need tests >> that

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] the release gods are angry at python

2008-03-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > There are also some backporting issues in that pile. Should those > hold up > betas? (when we get there) Yes, but I would simply release the monthly alpha and push the beta back a month. -

Re: [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 29, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > Once you've pushed the branches, is there a way to remove them? Do you mean the local branches? If yes, then 'rm -rf mymergedbranch' does exactly what you want. :) - -Barry -BEGIN PGP S

Re: [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 29, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > No, I mean the pushed version on code.python.org. Not unless you have shell or sftp access, which you probably don't. It's not a big deal though except for a mild feeling of uncleanliness.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 30, 2008, at 3:35 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Likewise, if you are accessing the repository over bzr+ssh, in > general, > you can just ssh to the machine, and do a regular ls. In the specific

[Python-Dev] Next alphas, this Wednesday

2008-03-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just another heartbeat reminder that I intend to release the next alphas for Python 2.6 and 3.0 this Wednesday April 2nd, at approximately 6pm Eastern time (UTC 2200). Current status: the buildbots for both the trunk and 3.0 look relatively good

[Python-Dev] Building next alphas

2008-04-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a reminder that I am going to start building the next alpha releases for Python 2.6 and 3.0 now. Please, no checkins unless you get approval from me, and until you hear that the freeze is lifted. I am now on freenode #python-dev, IM, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Building next alphas

2008-04-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > This is a reminder that I am going to start building the next alpha > releases for Python 2.6 and 3.0 now. Please, no checkins unless you > get approval from me, and until you h

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6a2 and 3.0a4

2008-04-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBR/WImHEjvBPtnXfVAQJmoQP+MzqNDI+Xt8zua/FE7Ca4TVXoIIy2uoOm I1i3+vmevZ9vtAb9hcGwfEgPY4LSwb9Js4KnJJWMPaMuFJK4NgGoiMdj+t4

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6a2 and 3.0a4

2008-04-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > "Gerhard Häring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | In case you don't know already, the website is not fully updated, > yet: > | > | http://www.python.org/download/rele

Re: [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-04-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Did I misread the directions or do I really need the --create-prefix >>> arg? > >Barry> You do, the first time you push a user branch because > users/skip >Barry> doesn't exist yet.

Re: [Python-Dev] Code signing of Windows .msi/.dll/.exe's for 2.6/3.0

2008-04-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > This is going to be a major administrative hassle. Obviously you have > to be extremely cautious with the private part of the certificate, or > it's worthless. That means that there will probably

Re: [Python-Dev] Code signing of Windows .msi/.dll/.exe's for 2.6/3.0

2008-04-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 17, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Barry Warsaw schrieb: >> MvL is leading this effort and is currently trying to get a code >> signing certificate (my attempts having utterly failed on the Mac ;). >> Pleas

[Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a reminder that the LAST planned alpha releases of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are scheduled for next Wednesday, 07-May-2008. Please be diligent over the next week so that none of your changes break Python. The stable buildbots look moderately

Re: [Python-Dev] Problems with the new super()

2008-05-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 12:55:22PM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'm not proud of this, but I don't see a way around it. The alternative would be to make it a keyword, which seemed excessive (plus,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Barry Warsaw schrieb: This is a reminder that the LAST planned alpha releases of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are sch

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 2, 2008, at 1:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: etc, though. In the long term, if everyone followed suit on ~/.local, that would be great. But I don't want a ~/Python, ~/Java, ~/Ruby, ~/PHP, ~/Perl, ~/OCaml and ~/Erlang and a $PATH as long

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: The major reasons why I think staying out of people's way by default is important: - for people like me (glyph, Georg, etc), it allows us to keep our home directory organised the way we like it. As

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2008, at 8:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only guy who finds software that insists on visible, fixed files in my home directory rude? vmware, for example, wants a "~/ vmware" directory, but pretty much every other application

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 370 heads up

2008-05-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 6, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Guido has accepted my user site directory PEP today. http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/ I'm about the merge the code. But first I like to let you know some things and get your opinion. Very aw

[Python-Dev] Releasing alphas tonight

2008-05-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Just a reminder that I'm going to be cutting the releases tonight. Because of work, I didn't make the 6pm EDT goal, and now I have to run out for a few hours. I will send another message when I'm ready to start spinning the release, b

Re: [Python-Dev] Releasing alphas tonight

2008-05-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 7, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Christian Heimes schrieb: The py3k branch has a major show stopper, It's leaking references to the max. Fixed ;) Thanks! Folks, I apologize. I had some system problems tonight so I fell

Re: [Python-Dev] Releasing alphas tonight

2008-05-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 7, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Hirokazu Yamamoto wrote: Hello. The py3k branch has a major show stopper, It's leaking references to the max. Is there any chance this leak also will be fixed? http://bugs.python.org/issue Not for the alphas,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 8, 2008, at 12:35 AM, raymond.hettinger wrote: Author: raymond.hettinger Date: Thu May 8 06:35:20 2008 New Revision: 62848 Log: Frozensets do not benefit from autoconversion. Since the trunk buildbots appear to be mostly happy (well those

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 8, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since the trunk buildbots appear to be mostly happy (well those that are connected anyway), and because I couldn

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw schrieb: This is exactly what I'm thinking about! -1 A technical solution never solves a social problem. It's just going to cause more social and technical problems.

[Python-Dev] Freeze lifted

2008-05-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've created the tags for 3.0a5 and 2.6a3, and the tarballs look good, so I'm lifting the commit freeze for these two branches. Thanks everyone, and look for the release announcements in a little while. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- V

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 8, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Michael Urman wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or aggressively back out any changes from freeze time to tag time. If we don't add the commit hook lock, I w

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6a3 and 3.0a5

2008-05-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
September 3, 2008. See PEP 361 for release details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 370 extras

2008-05-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 8, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: I'm working on some extra cool and useful additions to PEP 370. It's going to make compilation and usage of custom libraries very easy. Sit back and watch the slide show. :) Comments? :) Christi

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 8, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: While I'm +0 on the commit hook, it would help if a mail that announces a freeze would - not be hidden in a thread on python-dev and - have a easily recognizable title, like "[TRUNK FREEZE] ".

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 9, 2008, at 6:44 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-05-08 13:59, Barry Warsaw wrote: On May 8, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since the trunk bui

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Code Freeze - full or partial?

2008-05-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 9, 2008, at 8:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past I seem to recall that the Python code proper might be frozen (for a day or two) before a release, but that it was okay to still commit changes to non-code files such as documentatio

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r62916 - sandbox/trunk/release/release.py

2008-05-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 9, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Single quotes are easier to type so I prefer them. I very rarely find myself using apostrophes in non-triple quoted strings. I like it when things are easier to type, but I

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6a3 and 3.0a5

2008-05-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 9, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Jim Kleckner wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: ... For more information and downloadable distributions, see the Python 2.6 website: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/ The .msi for 2.6a3 seems to be missing from

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbots have trouble checking out the repository due to recent changes.

2008-05-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 12, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:24 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The idea was to replace the orignial module file with its stub. However, the "svn copy" and edit process isn't t

Re: [Python-Dev] On quote styles

2008-05-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 12, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Benji York wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It might be useful to have a wiki page which identified some of the conventions people use. One such entry could be "Do what python does

Re: [Python-Dev] heads up on svn.python.org ssh keys - debian/ubuntu users may need new ones

2008-05-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 13, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: If you generated your python subversion ssh key during this time on a machine fitting the description above, please consider replacing your keys. apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade on debian will pr

Re: [Python-Dev] FWD: 26 Python-Dev moderator request(s) waiting

2008-05-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 29, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Aahz wrote: I just processed two weeks of backlog on python-dev (I'm only a backup moderator). Would anyone object to changing the list policy so that non-member posts get discarded instead of held? How about we recru

[Python-Dev] Postponing the first betas

2008-06-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We are going to postpone the first beta releases by one week. We had some problems with mail.python.org today, which prompted a query to Guido from me about the postponement. mail.python.org should now be back up normally now, as evidenced by

Re: [Python-Dev] Missing checkin emails

2008-06-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Eric Smith wrote: Did some checkin emails get lost yesterday? I didn't see mail for a checkin of mine, r63895. Looking at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-checkins/2008-June/date.html , it looks like r63887-r63

Re: [Python-Dev] asyncore patch

2008-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Nick Coghlan schrieb: Josiah Carlson wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Benjamin Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Josiah Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] Nab those release blockers!

2008-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:33 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: For the multiprocessing module all I have left is the docs in rest format - given I'm a rest newbie, it's taking longer than I thought It's okay if docs don't make it into the beta. That's the kind

[Python-Dev] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this morning. I'll try to find some time during the day to look at th

Re: [Python-Dev] Nab those release blockers!

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 9, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Benjamin Peterson wrote: As we approach the planned first betas for 2.6/3.0, my heart sinks when I see the imposing list of 16 release blockers. [1] Luckily, most of the issues have patches that ju

Re: [Python-Dev] Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I've been sick since Saturday and still don't feel up to much. I've collected a severe email backlog going back to June 6th. If there's anything someone really needs me to look at ASAP (e.g. a BDF

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature interven

Re: [Python-Dev] Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: anything someone really needs me to look at ASAP (e.g. a BDFL decision affecting the impending beta release) please send me an email This seems to require a BDFL decision

Re: [Python-Dev] Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://bugs.python.org/issue2997 Guido's approved the patch. Please go ahead and apply it. If no o

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My plan is to begin building the betas tonight, at around 9 or 10pm EDT (0100 to 0200 UTC Thursday).

[Python-Dev] Potential beta showstopper (was Re: Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me)

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, we have a potential showstopper for the betas today. All the 3.0 buildbots are bloody red: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ Running the tests locally on OS X 10.5 and Ubuntu 8.04 confirm that the tests hang after test_xmlrpc.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: I have two release blockers pending review:

[Python-Dev] No betas today

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Much thanks to Benjamin Peterson and Alexandre Vassalotti for providing much help today trying to get the betas out. Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen today. There are two issues blocking the release. http://bugs.python.org/issue3088 http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] bugs.python.org down

2008-06-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:48 AM, anton wrote: could someone look for this ... or I am the only one which noticed that. ping works but http://bugs.python.org giges after a timeout: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an u

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No betas today

2008-06-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 12, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: That's odd - I've been doing all of the mp work on osx 10.5.3 - I'll run the units in a loop today to see if I can catch it. -Jesse Thanks. It's definitely reproducible on both my Leopard boxes.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 and optional underscores

2008-06-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: "Function names should be lowercase, with words separated by underscores as necessary to improve readability." -- PEP 8 If I'm reading this correctly, then underscores are not required ever

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 and optional underscores

2008-06-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/6/12 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: function:: active_count() method:: Thread.get_name() method:: Thread.is_alive() method:: Thread.is_daemon() method:: Thread.set_daemon(daemonic

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 and optional underscores

2008-06-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should it be... 2.n : .is_alive() 2.n+1 : .is_alive() (deprecated), .alive (recommended) 2.n+2 : .alive Barry> Personally, I'd go with a property .is_alive I'm not fond of using a prope

[Python-Dev] First betas (perhaps) on June 18

2008-06-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's unfortunate that I was not able to release the first betas on Wednesday. The primary reason was that none of the 3.0 buildbots were green. My proposal is this: I will spin another release this coming Wednesday, June 18. If we can get bo

Re: [Python-Dev] Interesting blog post by Ben Sussman-Collins

2008-06-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: My colleague and SVN developer Ben Sussman-Collins occasionally blogs about the social side of (mostly open source) software development. He just posted a new one that struck a chord: http://blo

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] First betas (perhaps) on June 18

2008-06-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 13, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/6/13 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: My proposal is this: I will spin another release this coming Wednesday, June 18. If we can get both the 2.6 and 3.0 buildbots green by then,

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: add odict to collections

2008-06-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 15, 2008, at 1:43 AM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: For an insertion order dictionary, there was also a question about how to handle duplicate keys. Given odict([(k1,v1), (k2,v2), (k1,v3)]), what should the odict.items() return? [(k1,v3), (k

[Python-Dev] Blow your mind

2008-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A colleague just forward this to me and it blew my fscking mind to smithereens. It also brings back a lot of memories. Enjoy! - -Barry http://www.vimeo.com/1093745 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSFbK8XEjv

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Merging changes before beta

2008-06-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc wrote: I am in the process of merging changes from trunk to the py3k branch. (If somebody else is already doing it, please tell me quickly!) BTW, I will be hanging out on #python-dev @ freenode fro

[Python-Dev] Another run at beta one

2008-06-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'm going to try again tonight to release beta one for Python 2.6 and 3.0. I'm planning on starting the release at 6pm US/Eastern or 2200 UTC. Right now the Python 2.6 buildbots look pretty good. We have /one/ green buildbot for Python

[Python-Dev] releasing betas tonight

2008-06-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There are enough green buildbots and I think all the showstoppers are resolvable, so I'm going ahead and releasing beta 1 tonight. Please refrain from any commits unless I ask you to check something in. We've got a major thunderstorm blowing th

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Another run at beta one

2008-06-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 18, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: Please let me know about 3088 - I've disabled the more unreliable tests until I can give the entire suite some TLC. I'm still trying to work around/identify the "Function not Implemented" error in iss

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6b1 and 3.0b1

2008-06-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSFnIbnEjvBPtnXfVAQKCMgP+L9Vpk9vQgYw01KShtF9HyvCKE0guSy86 0Q/IRbkXGahXg910D4nVLY9NORaOSq/VP8Kx+fOU8egUDHvVF9MuKkY75ZHYoixR

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6b1 and 3.0b1

2008-06-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 19, 2008, at 4:43 AM, Paul Moore wrote: On 19/06/2008, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I am happy to announ

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6b1 and 3.0b1

2008-06-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 21, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Leif Walsh wrote: There is a typo on the download page (http://python.org/download/releases/3.0/ ): Fixed, thanks! - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSF2G5nEjvBPtnXfVAQJbqwQ

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r64424 - in python/trunk: Include/object.h Lib/test/test_sys.py Misc/NEWS Objects/intobject.c Objects/longobject.c Objects/typeobject.c Python/bltinmodule.c

2008-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: [Mark Dickinson] I think there may also still be room for some additional discussion on the output format; [Martin v. Löwis] If so, I think the change should be reverted, and the feature defe

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r64424 - in python/trunk:Include/object.h Lib/test/test_sys.py Misc/NEWSObjects/intobject.c Objects/longobject.c Objects/typeobject.cPython/bltinmodule.c

2008-06-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Well, that and the beta deadline (we have to draw the line somewhere, or we'll be stuck in an eternal spiral of "just one more feature") Guido wanted to get the beta out when we did exactly so w

Re: [Python-Dev] Community buildbots and Python release quality metrics

2008-06-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: If the community buildbots aren't largely green by the time beta 2 comes out, that's when I'll agree we have a problem - they should definitely be green by the time first release candidate comes o

Re: [Python-Dev] Community buildbots and Python release quality metrics

2008-06-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
lanket complaint that this is a disgrace. So why is it? and already discussed: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2008-April/078421.html Following that trail of breadcrumbs, I ended up here: http://bugs.python.org/issue2235 with a message from some guy named "Barry Warsaw"

Re: [Python-Dev] Community buildbots and Python release quality metrics

2008-06-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: Barry Warsaw schrieb: I don't know if this "Barry" guy has the appropriate permissions on the bugtracker to increase priorities, so I've taken the liberty of upgrading it

Re: [Python-Dev] Community buildbots and Python release quality metrics

2008-06-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I just added a "deferred blocker" priority -- that implements one half of your wish. Mass issue updating must be done by someone who knows Roundup better than me, I'm afraid. I doubt true mass

[Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wow, I bet this one crept up on you as quickly as it did me! We have our second planned beta releases for 2.6 and 3.0 tomorrow. As usual I will start looking at blockers and buildbots tomorrow afternoon (UTC-4 time) with a plan to start building

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think we should put this one off. The previous betas were done on June 18, and IMO the next beta should be about a month afterwards, not 2 weeks. I will not be able to make releases the week

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Barry Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are two options. I could shift everything for

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: Is a Google Ca

Re: [Python-Dev] git repositories for trunk and py3k

2008-07-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 14, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Neil Schemenauer wrote: In case anyone is interested, I have git repositories for both the trunk and the py3k branch of the Python source code. They are up-to-date and so using them with git-svn would be much faster tha

Re: [Python-Dev] git repositories for trunk and py3k

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 15, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Paul Moore wrote: On 15/07/2008, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In case anyone is interested, I have git repositories for both the trunk and the py3k branch of the Python source code. They are up-to-da

[Python-Dev] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A reminder: the second betas of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are schedule for tomorrow. I will try to hang out on #python-dev today and will start looking at the trackers and buildbots. Hopefully, we're on track to get the releases out! If there is an

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