Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?)

2006-06-28 Thread Anthony Baxter
ddition to the stdlib. But the release timeline's been out there for a while now - heck, b1 was actually a few days later than originally planned. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. _

[Python-Dev] RFC: trunk checkins between now and 2.5 final

2006-06-28 Thread Anthony Baxter
This is a request for comments - this is my current thinking on a policy for checkins to the trunk between now and the release of 2.5 final. Now that we're in beta: If you don't add an entry to Misc/NEWS, a test (if relevant or possible) and docs (if relevant), the checkin is probably g

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 328 and PEP 338, redux

2006-06-29 Thread Anthony Baxter
something as diabolically hairy as import.c) is going to make me _unbelievably_ cranky. I'll try to make time to review the patch you posted tomorrow. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. __

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-07-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
someone wanted to find an easy and safe way to make it only be triggered when the import fails, it could stay in. I'm not convinced that _anything_ in import.c is easy and safe. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 and beyond

2006-07-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
this can emit a spurious warning, I think it should be reverted for 2.5. At _best_ we could maybe have a new -W switch to make it be generated, but this should be off by default. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. _

Re: [Python-Dev] Import semantics

2006-07-05 Thread Anthony Baxter
ing this? The website is probably the first place people look... Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/l

Re: [Python-Dev] Explicit Lexical Scoping (pre-PEP?)

2006-07-05 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 18:21, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Would this also use ..num to refer to num in an outer scope two > levels removed? Ew! I don't want to even think about debugging ...x vs x Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never to

[Python-Dev] ImportWarning decision

2006-07-05 Thread Anthony Baxter
can re-evaluate the situation for 2.6 - maybe a more complex solution like (c) can be done for that. This means Google can just turn it on in sitecustomize.py and Guido can avoid the hordes of peasants with pitchforks and burning torches. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed beta 2 changes (Q for Anthony/Neal)

2006-07-05 Thread Anthony Baxter
absolute imports in this case"? My nervousness is that I don't want a late change to introduce a language misfeature that we'll all regret later. > 2. Adding an 'ignore' filter for ImportWarning at the end of > warnings.py Already covered this one in another email... Ye

Re: [Python-Dev] "Missing" 2.5 feature

2006-07-09 Thread Anthony Baxter
lly not keen on this seeming tide of new features that seem to be popping up. We're only a few days away from the second and final planned beta - it's getting _awfully_ late to be slotting in new features. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never to

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
should not look like grit on my monitor. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsu

Re: [Python-Dev] Chaining try statements: eltry?

2005-07-08 Thread Anthony Baxter
this way to be a sort of horrible goto-hack, and makes the code hard on the brain. (obdisclaimer: for/else gets a mention in my OSCON python tutorial, so I'd appreciate it if you _don't_ rip it out in the next month ) Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: [Python-Dev] C bindings calling tmpfile() blocks interrupt signal

2005-07-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
(using the DEC^WCompaq^WHP "testdrive" systems), but I stopped caring about them quite a while ago now. Too much pain, for zero gain for me. -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

Re: [Python-Dev] [C++-sig] GCC version compatibility

2005-07-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
sues here with linking, but if this is to be considered for 2.4.2, it needs to be low risk of breaking anything. 2.4.2 is a bugfix release, and I'd hate to have this break other systems that work... Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too

Re: [Python-Dev] [C++-sig] GCC version compatibility

2005-07-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
eful the HP/UX C++ compiler is going to be - last time I was exposed to it, many years ago, it was... not good. -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] while:

2005-07-19 Thread Anthony Baxter
any advantages to it (saving 5 keypresses? please...) Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

Re: [Python-Dev] zlib 1.2.3 is just out

2005-07-25 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:39, Trent Mick wrote: > Here is a patch to do this (attached) that works on the trunk and > against the Python-2.4.1.tgz source tarball. Shall I check this into the > HEAD and release24-maint? Yes. -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's ne

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion

2005-08-01 Thread Anthony Baxter
sonal record was something like 1h45m for 'cvs tag' to finish, from memory). My only concern is that we have sufficient volunteers to manage the system. I'm happy to be one of these, but that's assuming we have other people also volunteering. . . Anthony -- Anthony B

[Python-Dev] plans for 2.4.2 and 2.5a1

2005-08-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
5 final release. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.or

Re: [Python-Dev] pdb: should next command be extended?

2005-08-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Monday 08 August 2005 20:13, Ilya Sandler wrote: > > At OSCON, Anthony Baxter made the point that pdb is currently one of the > > more unPythonic modules. > > What is unpythonic about pdb? Is this part of Anthony's presentation > online? (Google found a summary and sl

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion

2005-08-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
ry to find out when you > last merged. This is what I do with shtoom - I have properties branchURI and branchRev on the root of the branch. I can then use these when landing the branch. It seems to work well enough for me. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Distributed RCS

2005-08-13 Thread Anthony Baxter
indows. This is a complete deal-breaker for us, unless we can agree to dump that Windows support (who needs it, really? ) I *hope* that baz-ng will work fine on Windows - I haven't looked too closely at that side of it. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
lf, I don't have the time or energy to spend trying the countless numbers of revision control systems that are out there. Thanks, Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecating builtin id (and moving it to sys())

2005-08-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
age, for a not very high payoff. If you _really_ want to call a local variable 'id' you can (but shouldn't). You also can't/shouldn't call a variable 'class', 'def', or 'len' -- but I don't see any movement to allow these... Anthony --

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecating builtin id (and moving it to sys())

2005-08-20 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Friday 19 August 2005 02:22, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On 8/17/05, Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you _really_ want to call a local variable 'id' you can (but > > shouldn't). > > Disagreed. The built-in namespace is searched last fo

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] python/dist/src/Lib/test test_bz2.py, 1.18, 1.19

2005-08-26 Thread Anthony Baxter
Thank you for correcting. The parenthesis must have been accidentally > slipped in while I was reviewing the change for correctness. Please ensure that you run the test suite before checking code in! Thanks, Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's ne

Re: [Python-Dev] partition() (was: Remove str.find in 3.0?)

2005-08-29 Thread Anthony Baxter
r name that comes to mind is 'separate()', but a) I always spell it 'seperate' (and I don't need another lamdba ) b) It's too similar in name to 'split()' Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy chi

[Python-Dev] IMPORTANT: 2.4.2c1 Wednesday, 21st September - branch will be closed for a week.

2005-09-15 Thread Anthony Baxter
So we'll be cutting the 2.4.2 release candidate on Wednesday the 21st (next week). Can people please make sure they are running the test suite fully for any checkins between now and then? Also, please consider the release24-maint branch closed from UTC/GMT on the 21st - this will remain clo

[Python-Dev] IMPORTANT: release24-maint branch is FROZEN from 2005-09-21 00:00 UTC for 2.4.2

2005-09-20 Thread Anthony Baxter
you check with me first. Let's make this a nice painless release. I'll send another message once 2.4.2 is done. Thanks, Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Pyt

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.4.2, release candidate 1

2005-09-22 Thread Anthony Baxter
available from the Python 2.4 page, at http://www.python.org/2.4/highlights.html Enjoy the new release, Anthony Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Release Manager (on behalf of the entire pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] IMPORTANT: release24-maint branch is FROZEN from 2005-09-21 00:00 UTC for 2.4.2

2005-09-22 Thread Anthony Baxter
is a real show stopper for us - we can't move to 2.4 without > it. Cheers, > Max I'm not sure - mwh, how risky a patch is this? Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. _

Re: [Python-Dev] IMPORTANT: release24-maint branch is THAWED (partly frozen ; )

2005-09-22 Thread Anthony Baxter
So the 2.4.2c1 release seems to be not a brown-paper-bag release. The branch should be considered ok for those critical fixes that need to go in before 2.4.2 final - please, please, if you're not absolutely sure, ask me first. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It&

[Python-Dev] IMPORTANT: release24-maint branch is FROZEN from 2005-09-28 00:00 UTC for 2.4.2

2005-09-26 Thread Anthony Baxter
So here we go - the release24-maint branch will be frozen from midnight UTC on Wednesday the 28th (about 36 hours from now). This is to cut 2.4.2 (final). If you have any pending patches you want to see landed on the branch, mail me about them - and do it soon! There's been a bunch of fixes s

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.4.2 (final)

2005-09-28 Thread Anthony Baxter
g/2.4/highlights.html Enjoy the new release, Anthony Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) pgpnp6D6O8ilL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.pytho

[Python-Dev] release24-maint is UNFROZEN. 2.4.3 around March or so.

2005-09-28 Thread Anthony Baxter
5 final is out. -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/m

[Python-Dev] AST branch is in?

2005-10-20 Thread Anthony Baxter
w and interesting manipulations of the code during compilation? Cleaner, easier to maintain, or the like? Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] make testall hanging on HEAD?

2005-10-25 Thread Anthony Baxter
test_deque test_descr This is on Ubuntu Breezy, [GCC 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)] on linux2 Anyone else see this? -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too lat

Re: [Python-Dev] TAR problems under Solaris

2006-01-04 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Thursday 05 January 2006 08:23, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Dunno, but I'm always having problems w/ Solaris tar, so I just use > GNU tar on Solaris. ;) Maybe we should switch to cpio-based distributions? Anthony ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot questions

2006-01-05 Thread Anthony Baxter
FWIW, I have an older box running Ubuntu 05.10 that spends most of it's days pining for stuff to do (at the moment, it does DHCP and DNS for the house. Yes, I know I have too many damn computers here). I can set up a buildbot on it easily enough. It's something like a 600MHz P3 or something. Is

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot questions

2006-01-05 Thread Anthony Baxter
r the various BSDs? Last time I tried one (which was several years ago) it was Not Very Good. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.or

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot questions

2006-01-06 Thread Anthony Baxter
7; command could be added... Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://m

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot questions

2006-01-06 Thread Anthony Baxter
down to a list of known users. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-de

Re: [Python-Dev] basenumber redux

2006-01-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
them. What about something that's got something like: def __int__(self): raise TypeError("This type is not a number!") I don't see a problem with defining basenumber. For the use cases, pretty much the same set as basesstring. -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Python-Dev] Building on OS X 10.4 fails

2006-01-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 06:19, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 19:17 +0100, Thomas Heller wrote: > > Building the readline on OS X 10.4 fails, is this known, or am I > > doing something wrong? > > There are definitely serious issues with readline on OS X 10.4. > I've hit them too

Re: [Python-Dev] Building on OS X 10.4 fails

2006-01-18 Thread Anthony Baxter
; program works identically to one linked to real libreadline, he has > no complaint. My "complaint" is that libedit _calls_ itself libreadline, when it's pretty clear that it's not actually a drop-in replacement (or the readline module would build). Hence my use of the word "c

Re: [Python-Dev] Python icon

2006-01-18 Thread Anthony Baxter
and start editing. In any case, I couldn't tell what needed > doing from the trac site. We obviously need to get everything that's needed to use setuptools and eggs so people can just have things "just work". Yay for PJE! -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL

Re: [Python-Dev] DRAFT: python-dev Summary for 2006-01-01 through 2006-01-15

2006-01-30 Thread Anthony Baxter
Rather than the back-n-forth about what the FSF might or might not do, can we just ask them for an official opinion and settle the matter? The Aladdin case makes me think we should do this, probably before 2.5 comes out - because if we do have to yank readline, I'd really not like to see this h

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