hen a "small" change breaks more code than it
> was expected to.
There's been some recent discussion in the PSF wondering where it would
make sense to throw some money to remove grit in the wheels; do you think
this is a case where that would help?
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will probably not be any way to use old-style classes. As has been said
before, if you want to make new-style classes the default for any module,
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__metaclass__ = type
at the top.
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"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
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definitio
ult.
>
> >>> 23.5/5.2
> 4.5192307692307692
> >>> round(23.5)/round(5.2)
> 4.7998
> >>> round(23.5/5.2)
> 5.0
> >>> int(round(23.5))/int(round(5.2))
> 4
That's not relevant to Py3K. Which is where this discu
ight before it vanished I
> saw the most astonishing look of profound peace passing over its bits.
> You should rest assured tonight that yYv6r9zcrb and ZORyPRLc5Sf and
> all the other little key segments have gone on to a better repository.
That means it's now an ex-key?
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"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
epending on whether the object in question is immutable:
>
>(1) For immutable objects:
>
> x += y <--> x = x + y
>
>(2) For mutable objects:
>
> x += y <--> x.__iadd__(y)
What I try to do is always remember that
x += y <-->
xt week is rc1. We are right now in
complete feature lockdown; even documenting an existing API IMO requires
approval from the Release Manager.
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False instead of raising an
> exception.
-1
This is seriously no different from an attempt to do
>>> a = {}
>>> a[ [] ] = 1
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"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the fi
, it's
critical to encourage people to switch to the stdlib version if possible
(but often writing code that works with the external library is the only
way to support multiple Python versions).
That parenthetical bit is the real killer, and I don't think even Py3K
can completely overcome
On Sun, Sep 03, 2006, Anthony Baxter wrote:
>
> I think this is suitable for 2.5. I'm thinking, though, that we need
> a second release candidate, given the number of changes since rc1.
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2006, Neal Norwitz wrote:
>
> On everyones favorite platform (HP-UX), the following code
> consistently fails:
Which exact HP-UX? I remember from my ancient days that each HP-UX
version completely changes the way threading works -- dunno whether
that's still
inear" with the number of
> special-cased constants (of course, as that there is a fixed
> number of constants, this is O(1)).
What if we do this work only on float()?
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> I received the bounced email as follow. How do I become a member?
Subscribe to the list.
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On Mon, Oct 09, 2006, The Doctor What wrote:
>
> I found a bug in urllib2's handling of basic HTTP authentication.
Please submit your bug to SourceForge, then (optional) post the bug
number back here.
See http://www.python.org/dev/faq/#bugs
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2006, Alexey Borzenkov wrote:
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> Should I submit it to sourceforge as a patch, or someone can review it as is?
Always submit patches; that guarantees your work won't get lost.
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2006, Greg Willden wrote:
>
> I'd like to propose the following change to ConfigParser.py.
> I won't call it a bug-fix because I don't know the relevant standards.
Go ahead and submit a patch; it's guaranteed you won't get progress
with
a directory, and couldn't before?
My vote is that it's a bugfix but should be treated as a new feature and
rejected for 2.5, based on the standard argument about capabilities and
the problems with bugfix releases having new capabilities.
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On Sat, Oct 21, 2006, Neil Dunn wrote:
>
> Any help with this would be great, could you please reply directly to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I haven't subscribed to python-dev for a while now.
You should also post this to the python-3000 list; the lists do not all
have the same reader
bytecode was almost certainly the cause of much of the
overhead, but I still suspect that a simple listing will be faster in C
code because of fewer system calls. It should be a matter of profiling
before this suggestion is rejected rather than making assertions about
what "should" be happ
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>
> I wrote to Ian that I would be interested; participating in the meeting
> in Berlin is quite convenient. I can try to keep python-dev updated.
Please do -- it's not something I have a lot of cycles for but am
interes
lly avoid breakage we'd have to go with a full-bore try/except style
for file handling, and that would require too many changes (especially
without upgrading to 2.5, and we're still using 2.2/2.3).
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) this would remove some of the verbosity
>> of regexp code, with probably a net gain in readability; certainly no loss.
>
> Please post a patch to sf.net/projects/python (or its successor).
Given the list of issues and subsequent discussion so far, I think a PEP
will be required. Thi
if m['rect']:
> drawRectangle(m[1:5])
> elif m['circle']:
> drawCircle(m[1:3], m[3])
>
> Is that really so outlandish?
Likely; normally I would expect that drawRectangle would break on string
arguments instead of ints. I think that the amount
On Sun, Dec 24, 2006, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> Anyone?
It was discarded as probable spam by me due to the lack of a valid "To:"
line. Do you have any particular reason for believing that it's real?
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w what is the current plan for signals support in python, so
> what can be done?
For starters, please post a bug report to SF so that this issue doesn't
get lost.
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s box: _"
> "Type the BDFL's first name in lowercase in this box: "
> "Type the branch name in this box: "
>
> etc.
>
> It's easier than a normal CAPTCHA because its OK to assume a lot more
> knowledge on the part of the
type.
> I personally consider *very* important that hash(5.0) == hash(5) (and
> that 5.0 == 5, of course).
Well, sure, but That's Different.
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2007, Steve Holden wrote:
> Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Aahz wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks again for giving me something fun to do with my life. ;-)
>>
>>Here, here!
>
> Where, where?
Therewolf
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and other appropriate places, and go through several rounds of
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hon and doesn't even look
funny:
obj[foo] = blah
print obj[foo]
My company makes heavy use of this coding style, we can use obj.foo
whenever appropriate.
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getattr/setattr. Does anyone have evidence counter to that? I think
that evidence should be provided before this goes much further; perhaps
all that's needed is education and documentation.
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callback every time a file got uploaded -- something that I expect
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so seems to be a sense that we're waiting to get off SourceForge
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Since I'm watching this list for any discussion on the traceback
> threads, I figured I would point out the most common use I know
> for locals() is in string interpolation when there are many local
> variables, eg:
>
>a = "spam"
>b = "egg"
>
nsider it correct, or at the least, don't think it should be changed,
> as it would make the behavior more difficult to reason about and introduce
> yet another thing to worry about when writing cross-version code.
That's my primary concern, as well. I'm -0 WRT 2.x; +1 WR
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> Gordon Messmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> After some discussion, Aahz suggested that I discuss the problem here,
>> on python-dev. He seemed to think that the problem I saw may have been
>> an indication of a bu
text() API will work the same across 2.x regardless of
whether the code is written after 2.6 is released. Of course anyone who
uses the extended API is backward incompatible, but that's a much
different kind of problem.
Because this discussion has gone on so long, it seems t
s
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ng to have to do a
massive rewrite for that, anyway. (This codebase started in 1.4 and
we're still running against 2.2.) But my take is that this is still an
ugly fix.
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gt; So, you-people-in-the-list, do you think fix this will be a problem?
The proper English word for plural "you" is "y'all". ;-) Except for
"all y'all". Isn't English fun?
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2007, Armin Rigo wrote:
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> Sorry for the spamming. I hope this will be of interest to some of you.
This is not spamming, this is wonderful news! Congratulations!
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2007, Shane Geiger wrote:
>
> Is anyone in the Python world considering writing a P2P VPN application
> in Python (a la Hamachi)?
You would probably do better to ask on comp.lang.python
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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007, Bob Sidebotham wrote:
>
> The interaction shown below feels like a bug, or at least very much a
> trap for the unwary.
Please go ahead and file a bug report on SourceForge -- that way there
is a record.
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2007, Ryan Kelley wrote:
>
> I just got accepted on the google summer of code to work on a project
> for python. I just wanted to say hello to everyone out there as i know
> i will end up asking a few questions before the summers over.
Congrats!
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TIL the
weekend, so waiting until the Monday after sending out a draft probably
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it's about treating strin
catenate and compare buffer objects with bytes objects.
I'm with MAL and Fred on making literals immutable -- that's safe and
lots of newbies will need to use byte literals early in their Python
experience if they pick up Python to operate on network data.
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I have a function that executes a string buffer of python code,
> fetches a function from its global dictionary then calls it.
python-dev is probably not the best place to discuss this -- python-dev
is primarily for discussions of *future* versions of Python. You would
probably get better resuts
ything. Moreover, this restriction only
comes into play for postings from new people, which should limit the
load.
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On Wed, May 16, 2007, Josiah Carlson wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how effective the question/answer stuff is, but a bit of
> javascript seems to be a good idea.
Just for the record (and to few people's surprise, I'm sure), I am
entirely opposed to any use of JavaScript.
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only when the set is attempted to be changed, which to my mind pushes
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imported: 2 (RSA: 1)
> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
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Looking back over the years, after I learned Python I realized that I
never really had enjoye
d
> perhaps be better if such packages show up as one entry, which shows
> the sub-modules when clicked on.
That's a good point in general, but I think we want to manually label
some submodules as having entries in the global module index (notably
os.path).
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isdata = value != NULL and hasattr(value, "__set__")
if wasdata != isdata or (old == NULL) != (value === NULL):
self._invalidate(cls, name)
type.__setattr__(cls, name, value)
def __delattr__(cls, name):
se
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> LUA.
This thread should go into either comp.lang.python or the python-ideas
mailing list. python-dev is for discussions about the implementation of
current python. Thanks.
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2007, Alexander Neundorf wrote:
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> A patch against 2.5.1 is attached.
Patches to the list tend to get lost. Please post to SourceForge and
then send the ID to python-dev.
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I supp
I'm running a .jar file that does not contain "the world". OTOH, this
is a development environment rather than a production environment, so
theoretically I could just shove everything into the .jar file -- but I
don't because that adds more time to the compile/link/jarjarjar cycle
atted with FAT because that's the closest we have to a
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You're asking in the wrong place, please use comp.lang.python; python-dev
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This is Python. We don't care much about t
g
> them. Two or more spaces are used to separate sentences. One space (for
> example, G. D. Montanaro) following a period is considered a non-breakable
> space.
There's no need to invoke Emacs to argue for the superiority of two
spaces after each sentence, according to this
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007, Paul Colomiets wrote:
>
> [...]
Because I can't resist: shouldn't that be a "truck error" if you're using
transformer.py?
For those who don't get it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28fiction%29
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>
> No. IIUC, "expected skips" are a platform property. For your platform,
> support for threads is expected (whatever your platform is as log as
> it was built in this millenium).
Really? I thought NetBSD was st
'riscos')
I'm assuming that's because NetBSD has threads, they just don't work. So
we don't want that to put NetBSD on the list of expected skips so that we
find out when threads do work.
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move the GIL.
You should review the work Greg Stein did to remove the GIL in 1.5.2;
although the interpreter core has changed considerably since then, I
believe the basic principles of the GIL are the same.
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&qu
the
hostname you intend to use to an IP, then do reverse-DNS to find out
whether the hostname is in fact the canonical hostname. If not, you're
using the wrong hostname on your cert.
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SSL is that the hostname must have a unique IP address, so that when the
client does a reverse DNS to validate the IP address presented by the SSL
certificate, it all comes together correctly.
There are, of course, wildcard certs; I don't understand how those work.
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> derived from the C++ extension?
python-dev is not an appropriate place to ask questions about writing
your own applications. I suggest the C++-sig or capi-sig lists or the
comp.lang.python newsgroup.
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> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1, in
> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
>
> Note that this is the exact same revision running on the same machine, but
> it doesn't work for the win32 version and does work fo
ne.
That's why the property delegates to a normal method.
(Kudos to Martelli for the idea.)
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that's what killed the
CACHE_ATTR patch several years ago (I was sprinting on that with Guido
and Ping):
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2007-June/073604.html
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I would recommend requesting review from either Nick Maclaren or Tim
Peters as well.
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2007, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2007 2:12 PM, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> On 05:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The best solution I can think of
On Sat, Dec 15, 2007, tomer filiba wrote:
>
> i wanted to get some feedback on the issue (i tried c.l.p, but they
> didn't understand me well enough):
python-ideas is the best place for topics like this.
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improving the code in Python. You should use either comp.lang.python or
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signals the special import is helpful; your
suggestion is too light-weight IMO. If you could devise something just
a bit heavier, that would be much better.
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Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildi
t be helpful if others were to also search their
> own code bases and post their findings:
>
> find . -name "*py" | xargs grep -C2 ImportError *py
Most of my company's examples fall into cases like this:
try:
klass = load_class(foo)
except ImportError:
klass
sequences in Template.__init__? For the
> applications I can imagine of string.Template, I would prefer to get
> an error upon creating the Template object rather than arbitrarily
> later when I try to .substitute with it.
No, create an is_valid() method at best.
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should handle that? (Although I still like the
idea of a .round() method for decimals, I think that round(Decimal()) is
probably sufficient enough that I won't insist on it.)
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On Fri, Jan 04, 2008, Isaac Morland wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Aahz wrote:
>
>>>Also, on a related issue, does it make sense to scan the template
>>>string for invalid escape sequences in Template.__init__? For the
>>>applications I can imagine of string.Temp
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for features to go into 2.7 -- just as several PEPs in the past have had
multi-version planning.
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use the
type of your data is not predetermined.
In any event, I consider dropping len() from builtins to be gratuitous
breakage, even in 3.0.
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The gist is that point releases are purely bugfix releases, because
adding features lessens code quality and makes it more difficult to
track changes. The big push to stick with PEP6 came from the mistake of
adding True/False to Python 2.2.1.
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gt; Doug:
>
> You may not be aware that this issue occurred a couple of days ago, [...]
Steve:
You may not be aware that Doug sent his message a couple of days ago; it
was simply delayed in transit.
(Not that I wasn't confused myself until I looked at the Date: header.)
on. Have dir() exclude objects which
> are modules. For example, dir(logging) would exclude sys, os, types,
> time, string, cStringIO, and traceback.
-1
I see what you're getting at, but I think this level of introspection
breakage is a Bad Idea.
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Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
ur status reporting, not with the fact that there
> are RFE's in the issue tracker ;)
+1 -- speaking as someone who has done lots of tech support, I'm a big
fan of the "one database" system.
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