which case
"nobody" could access it.
> and to support different certs for svn.python.org and
> (eventually) www.python.org.
Ah. I think anonymous read access should be on port 80.
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> More confusion here. If I use some sort of shared access how will the
> system ascribe changes I make to me and not, for example, Martin?
In pythondev's authorized_keys2, we have a line
command="/usr/bin/svnserve --root=/data/repos/projects -t
--t
using svn+ssh for that..
It has the advantage that we can easily point people to files
with a web browser; they don't need an svn client.
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couldn't fetch the history across renames. These may have been fixed
meanwhile, of course.
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That would be easy to do. For consistency, should we use
. (with the usual
exceptions 'aahz', 'guido.van.rossum', 'martin.v.loewis')?
As for parsing these things: they also show up in 'svn log'.
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> I actually /don't/ want all commits to look like they're coming from
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Ok, I have now changed all user names for the python repository to
firstname.lastname. That should allow to use them in From: fields
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with C89 (in addition, activating that mode also makes many
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ly the CGI script needs to be parsed every time; all modules
could load off bytecode files.
Which suggests that Keir Mierle doesn't use bytecode files, I think he
should.
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> I think it's worthwhile reconsidering this approach for
> character type queries that do no involve a huge number
> of code points.
I would advise against that. I measure both versions
(your version called PyUnicode_IsLinebreak2) with the
following code
volatile int result;
mpt to
read more data. In a plain .read(), we would first join the lines
back.
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Walter Dörwald wrote:
> Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>
>> Walter Dörwald wrote:
>>
>>> I think a maxsplit argument (just as for unicode.split()) would help
>>> too.
>>
>>
>> Correct - that would allow to get rid of the quadratic part.
>
>
&g
nt has also the bug that a
KeyboardInterrupt before the assignment to complete
will cause a NameError/UnboundLocalError; this
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a gradually decreasing trailer.
Anyway, I don't think we should go back to C's readline/fgets. This
is just too messy wrt. buffering and text vs. binary mode. I wish
Python would stop using stdio entirely.
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e dictionary
have a value for that key, and if so, which?"
> If we only has str.index, would you actually suggest adding this particular
> duplication?
That is what happened to dict.get: it was not originally there (I
believe), but added later.
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derstanding *all* these years *was* wrong. If you don't
specify *a* default value, *it* defaults to None.
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you most of the speedup.
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ode15.html
is meant to cover incompatible changes. It shows that there is
no 100% compatibility, but that only "borderline" code is affected.
Probably the most significant change is that 0xC000 is now
a positive number, when it used to be negat
ly tried to completely understand your proposal, but
you are right, in principle, that a global lock can be replaced with
more fine-grained locks. However, this is really hard to do
correctly - if it were simple, it would have been done long ago.
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o Python 1.5)
Instead, the issue mainly died because nobody provided
working code (along with a strategy on what to do with
the existing extension modules).
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sn't true
> and we can define our own format -> type mappings?
Yes and no. Yes, it cannot do user-defined formats, but no, it is not
just *printf. They support gcc_diag and gcc_cxxdiag for their own
internal printf-like functions (error() and warning()); they also
support strft
as well?
Is it ok to use this modified procedure for 2.4.2 final (2.4.2c1
still uses MSZIP).
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> The LZX:21-compressed package worked absolutely fine for me (Windows XP
> Professional Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr).
Thanks for all the confirmations; I'm going to use it then for 2.4.2.
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M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Is the added complexity needed to support not having Unicode support
> compiled into Python really worth it ?
If there are volunteers willing to maintain it, and the other volunteers
are not affected: certainly.
> I know that Martin introduced this feature a long
t is semantically
textual, yet I can be sure that this is a byte string only if it
consists just of ASCII.
For example, if you invoke a Tkinter function, it will return a byte
string if the result is purely ASCII, else return a Unicode string.
This is an interface guarantee, hence I can be sure.
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complained about charmap encoding
> yet. Another option would be to generate a big switch statement in C
> and let the compiler decide about the best data structure.
I would try to avoid generating C code at all costs. Maintaining the
build processes will just be a nightmare.
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should
arrange the extension modules to import the symbols from your .exe.
Linking the exe should generate an import library, and you should link
the extensions against that.
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nctions (which, if I have it right, are in unicodeobject.c). No
> architectural changes are made; no existing codecs need to be changed;
> everything will just work
Please try to implement it. You will find that you cannot. I don't
see how regenerating/editing the codecs could be avoide
Just try all alternatives
yourself and see if you can get any better than charmap_decode.
Some would argue that charmap_decode *is* fast.
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>>I would try to avoid generating C code at all costs. Maintaining the
>>build processes will just be a nightmare.
>
>
> We could automate this using distutils; however I'm not sure
> whether this would then also work on Windows.
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could handle it.
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Trent Mick wrote:
> [Martin v. Loewis wrote]
>
>>Maybe it is possible to hack up a project file to invoke distutils
>>as the build process, but no such project file is currently available,
>>nor is it known whether it is possible to create one.
>
>
> This is es
ble to build efficient tables in a single
pass over the dictionary, so startup time should be fairly small
(given that the dictionaries are currently built incrementally, anyway,
due to the way dictionary literals work).
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global last_args
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I considered making true tuple objects (i.e. with ob_type etc.) on
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If type indicates that the object participates in the cyclic garbage
detector, it is added to the detector's set of observed objects.
Is this really correct? I thought you need to invoke PyObject_GC_TRACK
explicitly?
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'/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Numeric',
'/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '/usr/lib/site-python']
We still have the empty string in sys.path, and it still
denotes the current directory.
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e. People will probably want to update the codecs in-place,
but I don't think we need to make a guarantee that that such an approach
works independent of the Python version. People would be much better off
writing their own codecs if they think the distributed ones are
incorrect.
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#x27;t think this will be necessary. I personally dislike the decoding
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As for measuring the effect of the change: how often
does that pattern occur in the standard library?
(compared to what total number of LOAD_ATTR)
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> looking. )
I'm not personally objecting :-) I just recall that there was that kind
of objection when I proposed similar changes myself a couple of years
Tony Nelson wrote:
> BTW, Martin, if you care to, would you explain to me how a Trie would be
> used for charmap encoding? I know a couple of approaches, but I don't know
> how to do it fast. (I've never actually had the occasion to use a Trie.)
I currently envision a three
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>>Yes. setdefaultencoding() is removed from sys by site.py. To get it
>>again you must reload sys.
>
>
> Thanks.
Actually, I should take the opportunity to advise people that
setdefaultencoding doesn't really work. With the default default
enc
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If people want to test the installation before the switch happens,
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> What will the procedure be for getting a login? I assume our SF logins
> won't simply be transferred/transferrable.
You should send your SSH2 public key along with your preferred logname
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after that point, you will
need to get the CVS tarball and retarget your sandbox to perform
diffs.
I'm not aware of a procedure to convert a CVS sandbox into an SVN
one, so you will have to recheckout all your sandboxes after the
switch.
Regar
ion "I made this and that
modification to get it cross-compile, can somebody please review them?"
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That's very tricky. If you have multiple implementations, you make
usage at the C API difficult. If you make it either UTF-8 or UTF-32,
you make PythonWin difficult. If you make it UTF-16, you make indexing
difficult.
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For Python 2.x? Well, we are not supposed to discuss this.
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ng. Of course, iteration
could also operate on UTF-8, if you introduced string iterator
objects.
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rent form nor your suggested cosmetic change
would survive.
> to
>
> decoding_table = (
> u'\x00' # 0x00 -> U+ NULL
Using U+ in comments to denote the codepoints is a good idea,
anyway.
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> I'll rerun the creation with the above changes sometime this
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I hope I can finish my encoding routine shortly, which again
results in changes to the codecs (replacing the encoding dictionaries
wit
M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> I had to create three custom mapping files for cp1140, koi8-u
> and tis-620.
Can you please publish the files you have used somewhere? They
best go into the Python CVS.
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len("\U0001") should always give the same result, and
I think this result should always be 1.
How to best implement this efficiently is an entirely different
question, as is the question whether yo
r".
It's not so much a matter of API as a matter of internal
representation. The API doesn't have to change (except for the
very low-level C API that directly exposes Py_UNICODE*, perhaps).
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decoded character ordinals).
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> Done.
>
> In order to rebuild the codecs, cd Tools/unicode; make
> then check the codecs in the created build/ subdir (e.g.
> using comparecodecs.py) and copy them over to the
> Lib/encodings/ directory
myself at all.
> If this is true, in which version was it introduced?
It was introduced in 1.20/1.16.2.4 of Tools/msi/msi.py in response to
patch #1088716; this in turn was first used to release r241c1.
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> Martin described, and wondered why the default MacPython 2.4.2 didn't
> provide it by default. :-)
If all he wants is to represent Deseret, he can do so in a 16-bit
Unicode type, too: Pytho
entire file.
However, because of the Python syntax, you are restricted to ASCII
in many places, such as keywords, number literals, and (unfortunately)
identifiers. Lifting the restriction on identifiers is on my agenda.
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have bigger problems than these look-alikes: anybody
capable of doing so could just as well replace the real thing in
the first place.
As always in computer security: define your threat model before
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you would accept a "wide" representation of a character
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really difficult to
recognize.
> Speaking of which, would
> we then be offering support for arabic/indic numeric literals, and/or
> support it in int()/float()?
No. None of the Arabic users have ever requested such a feature, so
it would be stupid to provide it. We provide extended i
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> and agreed to stick with ASCII identifiers for Python. I still
> think that's the right way to go.
I don't think there ever was such an agreemen
metimes do it correctly, sometimes don't; most
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clue.
I still doubt that this is a frequent problem, and I don't see any
better grounds for claiming that it is than for claiming that it
is not.
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I just switched the repository to read-only mode,
and removed the test subversion installation. I'll let
you know when the conversion is complete.
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ortant in this
> globalized world.
Certainly. However, some programs don't need to live in
a globalized world - e.g. if they are homework in a school.
Within a locale, using native scripts would make the program
more readable.
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I'm planning to provide them at http://svn.python.org/snapshots.
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>> Can anyone point an old CVS/Perforce-Luddite at instructions for how
>> to use the new SVN repository?
>
>
> And can you remind us where to send our public keys? :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] should work; you will get a confirmation when they
are instal
Guido van Rossum wrote:
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My pleasure!
>>svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk
>>svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint
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> Do checkins to svn.python.org go to the python-checkins list already?
They do indeed - you should have received one commit message by now
(me testing whether committing works, on PEP 347).
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a version of
> Python prior to 2.4.1 with a MinGW prior to 3.0.0 (with
> binutils-2.13.90-20030111-1).
Can you please provide a patch to the documentation? None of the
regular documentation maintainers would know what exactly to write;
this is all user-contributed
ce output. Usage would be
strace -o muell python test_notify.py
(look into the file muell afterwards)
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have their wars with the Unicode consortium.
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; We should probably have a dedicated address for this, or tell people to send
> them to webmaster.
I think I would request a separate address; I don't think I want to get
all webmaster email. That address should probably include webmaster,
though.
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e_fields.
Python simply does not support file objects which stat(2) as directories.
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d why I was supposed to
create a /viewcvs Alias in the apache configuration...
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eck out for the
> sandbox; whole directory or just the trunk?
You would usually only check out the trunk (unless you want to work
on a branch, of course).
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