answered "more 2.x" to that question because my current
projects have dependencies (Twisted in particular); however, I also
answered that I ported code - which actually wasn't my own, and I ported
it only to promote Python 3.
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he connection goes idle, plus it will attempt a reconnect
if the network did indeed cancel the connection.
If you wanted to study this further, you could look into the
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that
isn't run by default.
My guess is that it might try verifying signatures, and somehow tries
to obtain the CA certificates (although it's puzzling that it would get
them from akamai - perhaps MS is hosting the CA bundle there).
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_
.ws.symantec.com,
which is a CNAME for crl.ws.symantec.com.edgekey.net again.
So the most plausible reason is indeed that it tries to download
CRLs, though not Microsoft ones, but Verisign/Symantic ones.
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> Right. But even latin-1, or better, cp1252 (on windows) does not solve it
> because these have undefined
> code points.
That's not true. latin-1 does not have undefined code points.
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on 2 and Python 3?
Notice that it prints "True" in Python 2 and "False" in Python 3. So if
this common-version interpreter *rejects* the above program, which
operation (**, repr, endswith) would you want to ban from subset?
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configuration, to add the self-signed
certificate as trusted (system-wide or per user).
- update the server, to use a cert signed by one of the
trusted CAs.
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posed specific wrapper for tp_dealloc, I
propose to add a generic PyType_GetSlot function. From a stability point
of view, exposing slot values is uncritical - it's just that the layout
of the type object is hidden.
Any objection to adding this before RC1?
Regar
shared, the umarshal result under v2 would be "more correct".
If the integers are not shared, v2 and v3 have about the same runtime,
e.g. seen when using
data = [1000*1000 for i in range(1000)]
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> a couple of those macros, and their only appearance in trunk was their
> definition.
It's meant for use by extension modules. See xxlimited.c:Xxo_Type_slots
for an application.
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char *method_name;
char *method_signature;
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> Is this as issue or desired behaviour?
See my response in the tracker. It's desired by Microsoft.
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>
> "Guido hates them" isn't an argument: its a ukase.
Indeed, it is - so obey it then :-) We live in a dictatorship, after all.
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or not.
You should also add a section on the implementation status; it's unclear
(to me) whether the proposed implementation actually matches the
specification.
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And I suggested setting up a reverse proxy.
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>>> accept security fixes, right?
>>>
>>
>> Typically we do one last release before shutting the last bugfix branch
>> down, but that's Georg's call since 3.3.5 was released so recently.
>
> Given that, I propose 3.3 goes into security fix mode immediatel
ng essential files), you
have to accept that the system installation procedures will fail.
It might be possible to recover from the loss of a specific such file;
for that, we would have to identify what the file is. However, the
standard procedure shou
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literally). However, the right consequence should be to use Python 3.4
instead.
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(which might
not be affected by the purported security threat being fixed) is just
too high.
Users that feel threatened by the lack of SSL features in Python should
have long started planning on how to get to Python 3. It's not that they
haven't bee
hat
Python 2.7 is a dead horse, and that they should stop riding it.
More professionally, we should set an official end-of-life date
for 2.7 (alas, we should have done that two years ago).
I hope that the language summit can agree to stopping bug fix
releases for 2.7 in 2014.
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rather than trying to provide an abstraction).
For Windows, this approach was unfortunately hopeless as long as
we had to support XP. Now that Vista becomes the baseline, I hope
I can try to provide much of the ssl module natively using CryptoAPI.
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I expect this to be a problem for the PEP, since it is unrealistic
to expect that all aspects of the desired features are complete by
2015 (i.e. with no need for further updates in the coming years).
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n't think anybody wanted to assign blame (although I can sympathize
with your urge to accept the blame). The fact is that this is a
volunteer project: we do what we can and have fun doing.
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> I've also retired 3.2 and 3.3 buildbots. Someone will have to update
>> the text and URLs at https://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/.
>
> We probably want a http://buildbot.python.org/3.4.stable/ redirect, too,
> then.
>
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to the backport, according to the PEP)
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This is a PyObject* whose Python type is 'str'
(i.e. an object for which PyUnicode_Check succeeds)
> If so, then %s should only be used when it is certain the string in
> question has no unicode in it?
No. If you have a char*, use
, not a release build
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n't actually run
> properly on 3.2.
Depends on the operating system. On Windows, the import library has
much less additions; anything declared in the header files that
is not in python3.def is a bug in the header files (by default).
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copy of the PSF code signing key, so I'd like to keep this list
rather small, and the people attached to the task.
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ches that we considered good were critized out of nowhere,
and I just did the same to Nikolaus. There is just no way to tell
in advance whether people will approve a certain change or not, because
people will apply other criteria than oneself.
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> I also suggested that some tweaks to the weekly issue report might
> help to catch the attention of those who can commit patches, but my
> ideas about that are still basically vaporware.
Well, the code of the weekly re
tch files for this
(.msp); it's technically just a single DLL that would need to be
replaced. Contributions are welcome.
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it could reduce the overhead - the actual
overhead for the MSI generation is fairly small. It's more that the
current Python-based approach is not too familiar to people, in
particular to those that are familiar with WiX (which I, in turn, am
not).
> Martin - are you at PyCon today? Can we
SI). I'm almost certain that you need a full programming language
to actually perform the entire build; one alternative to msi.py would
be to have a Python script generating the WiX configuration files.
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append a zip file to a script that gets put on
sys.path.
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performance no longer measures up
> (probably because of stat caching and such that importlib introduced).
>
> ### normal_startup ###
>
> Min: 0.510211 -> 2.667958: 5.23x slower
>
Not sure how to interpret this: what is 5.23x s
performance no longer measures up
> (probably because of stat caching and such that importlib introduced).
[I found the answer on what is being compared in replies]
So how did you create the zip file? Any chance that you may have
compressed the pyc files?
Am 08.05.14 18:59, schrieb Brian Curtin:
> This is mostly a question for Martin, but perhaps someone else would also
> know.
>
> I'm trying to build the 2.7 installers so I can backport the path
> option from 3.3, but I can't seem to figure out which version of Tix
ion that a new bug has been
introduced
When Antoine talked about "unofficial" buildbots, he was referring to
the fact that we accept nearly any buildbot offered, but put them into
the unstable category, which they often belong to by either definition
of unstable.
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ease proceed if it fails to work on one of these
platforms. We've had such a list for a long time, it is:
- Microsoft Windows
- Linux
- Apple Mac OS X
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n't think that we should be taken hostage by merging restrictions
of the DVCS - we switched to the DVCS precisely with the promise that
merging would be easier. Given the number of bug fixes that the turtle
module has seen, I'd suggest that it is less work to restrict cleanup
to 3.5,
r of courtesy. Most likely he's not interested in returning as
> maintainer, or he can't be contacted with reasonable effort.
I would not be so sure about this, see
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>> I'd suggest that it is less work to restrict cleanup
>> to 3.5, and then deal with any forward-porting of bug fixing when it
>> actually happens.
>
> This would make it non-trivial for any patch hitting a difference.
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November 2015, so what do we do if VS 2015 is not released
by the time 3.5b1 is planned?
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> I seem to remember that we were waiting for this anyway.
We don't actually need to explicitly put XP there, as PEP 11 ties our
support to the Microsoft product life cycle. XP is not supported by
Python anymore.
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Am 06.06.14 21:20, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
> 2. what is the risk of installing a beta compiler on what might
>otherwise be a "production" developer system? In particular, could
>it interfere with other VS installations, and could it require a
>co
Am 06.06.14 22:13, schrieb Paul Moore:
> From http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/downloads/visual-studio-14-ctp-vs
>
> """
> Currently, Visual Studio "14" CTPs have known compatibility issues
> with previous releases of Visual Studio and should not be installed
> side-by-side on the same computer.
after b1. The RM *could* opt to bet
on VS 14 RTM appearing before 3.5rc1 is released (or otherwise blocking
rc1 until VS 14 is released); I would consider this risy, but possibly
worth it.
We certainly don't need to resolve this now. We should discuss it again
when the release schedule for 3.
ven in other
cases, like testing whether a 32-bit installer actually runs on
a 32-bit system when the build system is a 64-bit system; such issues
will always exist.
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that generates bad code has lost trust "forever", so it will be
hard to justify re-enabling PGO (like "but it really works this
time"). I wasn't sad when I found a justification to skip the
profi
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case, would be preferred for older versions of Python).
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picks up the wrong version of OpenSSL (e.g. if Python gets embedded
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s is essential
to your approach. IIUC, you are "just" relying on the OS providing
a thread pool, (and the sublime concurrency and synchronization
routines are nothing more than that, ISTM). Implementing a thread
pool on top of select/poll/kqueue
thus Python 2) is feature-frozen; no
new features can be added to it. People wanting new features need to
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I think you should be able to just take the address of a static
__thread variable to achieve the same thing in a more portable way.
That assumes that the compiler supports __thread variables, which
isn't that portable in the first place.
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e rate at which they change async APIs is actually low, compared
to the rate at which they change relational-database APIs (ODBC,
ADO, OLEDB, DAO, ADO.NET, LINQ, ... :-)
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> distributions (looking at you, Ubuntu).
This means that we will see two-digit micro-releases, right (assuming
that there will be a few security releases)?
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(and perhaps even new features), but I would rather that branch not
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> But perhaps we could change the focus for 2.7 development a bit:
> instead of fixing bugs (or bickering about whether something is a bug
> fix or a new feature) we could limit changes to ensuring that it works
> on newer platforms. Martin mentioned that building 2.7 for Windows
>
Am 15.05.13 20:07, schrieb Georg Brandl:
> Has anybody heard from Martin recently? I hope he's well and just
> overworked...
True on both accounts. I was travelling over the weekend, and then
didn't manage to catch up with email. Sorry for the delay.
7;m the one who put together the Python installer.
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the culprit.
So if you do drop the KeyError entirely, please carry over information
about the character into the TypeError.
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tting initialization and finalization into distinct translation
units, you make it much more difficult to introduce new "hidden"
variables.
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you need to figure out the signatures in advance.
Can you just wait until the function is actually used, and then
process the parameters as you get them?
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f s():
... pass
... @classmethod
... def c(cl):
... pass
... def r(self):
... pass
...
>>> A.__getattribute__(A,'s')
>>> A.__getattribute__(A,'c')
>>> A.__getattribute__(A,'r')
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more.
Really? What about _PyObject_HEAD_EXTRA? The object layout
still changes under --with-pydebug, AFAICT.
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Then you can tell users that possible breakage is easy to fix: just
install python2, and change the shebang line.
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> /usr/bin/python at all
I disagree. For interactive use, it's good if there is something called
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> Either Martin needs to clue me in, or I'll have to find time to read
> his openid code :)
If you want to read the code, this issue can be discovered from
schema.py. The openids are stored per user in a single field;
multiple openids are s
the parent
feature is, yet still allow it to be independent of the parent
for people who really want to.
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should go away.
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> library.
Well, it is available, and new versions of the UCD are added to new
Python releases. Please consider Python 2 as dead wrt. Unicode support.
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Of course, it is up the the release manager of 2.7 to decide on that
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ugh it may be useful.
If you really want to "push" this API into 3.4, I think you will need
to write a PEP, and find a PEP dictator who is willing to approve it.
As you seem to dislike the idea of writing a PEP, I suggest to follow
the idea of publishing it on PyPI now, and then proposi
would be:
- only the two latest feature releases are supported
- only feature releases younger than 3 years are supported
Note that a separate policy should be added to decide whether support
for older versions is actively removed from source code (or equally
bug fixes for old versions ar
10.6 support from the binary installers as proposed
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x27;d say yes. That's the point of checking in generated files, so that
users don't need to run the generator.
> While we're at it, it seems that .hgtouch is wrong:
>
> Include/ast.h: Parser/Python.asdl Parser/asdl.py Parser/asdl_c.py
> Python/Python-ast.c: Incl
quot; a separate build step?
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e this idea. 2.7 should not get new
features; users who want new features need to switch to 3.x.
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I. That looks
like the real culprit to me. I'd be willing to work with you to
provide one (that ideally bundles all dependencies).
> Obviously you're the delegate for this PEP and it's your final
> decision and either way If the PEP is accepted I'll do the
> implementation f
Am 30.09.13 20:11, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:18:57 +0200 (CEST)
> martin.v.loewis wrote:
>> http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/c1a294bbb4fa
>> changeset: 85882:c1a294bbb4fa
>> branch: 2.7
>> parent: 85877:dd55d54b2a15
>> u
n here are
script kiddies: people who don't want to invest a lot of money into
some illegal activity, but who just learned that they can kill
service XYZ if they run this-or-that script - and want to try out
whether this actually works. I believe that profesional cr
inalization (and whether or not to subtract
that at all).
Regards,
Martin
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equire such a hack, and a confirmation that this
very tool indeed does not support UTF-8.
Regards,
Martin
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